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Who goes to Church on Sundays?

Never. I'm agnostic.

Though I have voted in churches, and gone to a few weddings and funerals in them.

It's not like my skin burns when I enter them.

I just have no reason to unless someone has something other than a faith based activity going on inside them.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I'm an Atheist so there would be no point in me attending Church on Sundays.
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Well, I guess you could go in order to antagonize people...but that would just be immature😉
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I'm an Atheist so there would be no point in me attending Church on Sundays.
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Atheist, or agnostic?
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I'm sure I'm going to regret responding to your post.
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:laugh:

Atheist.
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So you believe there is no god? That requires faith, making it it is a logically untenable position.

This is why I call myself agnostic, meaning I just don't know, and choose no belief either way. Since I can prove neither the existence of a god or gods or the absence of any gods, I take the only logical position of agnosticism.

There, do you still regret answering me? 😛
 
Originally posted by: Amused

So you believe there is no god? That requires faith, making it it is a logically untenable position.

This is why I call myself agnostic, meaning I just don't know, and choose no belief either way. Since I can prove neither the existence of a god or gods or the absence of any gods, I take the only logical position of agnosticism.
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I'll play devil's advocate here for a moment...

Your position assumes that having a logically tenable position-or lack thereof-is somehow superior to having a solid position, faith-based though it may be. And saying that logic and nebulousness are automatically superior to faith and solidity is a matter or faith, is it not?
 
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Amused

So you believe there is no god? That requires faith, making it it is a logically untenable position.

This is why I call myself agnostic, meaning I just don't know, and choose no belief either way. Since I can prove neither the existence of a god or gods or the absence of any gods, I take the only logical position of agnosticism.
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I'll play devil's advocate here for a moment...

Your position assumes that having a logically tenable position-or lack thereof-is somehow superior to having a solid position, faith-based though it may be. And saying that logic and nebulousness are automatically superior to faith and solidity is a matter or faith, is it not?
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Not at all. To have a firm belief in something you cannot possibly prove and therefore cannot logically "know" is, well, illogical.

Now, people have illogical beliefs all the time. Just so long as they realize that's what they are. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Not at all. To have a firm belief in something you cannot possibly prove and therefore cannot logically "know" is, well, illogical.

Now, people have illogical beliefs all the time. Just so long as they realize that's what they are. 🙂
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My point is that your belief in the ultimate superiority of logic is, after all, a belief.
 
going now, i am the story teller today in the kidz street program for the second service...i am also the Tech Ministry leader and host a Life Group in my house and lead it every week...the fellowship is awesome and have made some of the best friends anyone can have...pastor lives across the street and church is 30 seconds away in my neighborhood


have fun everyone.


jC
 
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Amused
Not at all. To have a firm belief in something you cannot possibly prove and therefore cannot logically "know" is, well, illogical.

Now, people have illogical beliefs all the time. Just so long as they realize that's what they are. 🙂
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My point is that your belief in the ultimate superiority of logic is, after all, a belief.
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A belief based on provable facts.

Going for a little nihilism, huh? 😛
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Amused
Not at all. To have a firm belief in something you cannot possibly prove and therefore cannot logically "know" is, well, illogical.

Now, people have illogical beliefs all the time. Just so long as they realize that's what they are. 🙂
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My point is that your belief in the ultimate superiority of logic is, after all, a belief.
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A belief based on provable facts.

Going for a little nihilism, huh? 😛
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Pretty much😛

I'd claim that you can't "prove" any facts without the assumption of a certain pattern of logic being consistant with the universe in which we reside. Perhaps in a theoretical parallel universe, such statements as A->B, therefore if A, then B, would not hold, and thus our logic could "prove" nothing.

Or perhaps it is a greater "good" to do your best, and make a wrong statement, rather than to make no statement at all for fear of being wrong.

Basically, everyone's framework of the world has to be built on a core of unshakeable faith in SOMETHING, be it logic or not. We simply can't proceed without starting SOMEwhere. The fact that our core assumption does not seem to be disproved as we branch out from it serves as a partial confirmation of this assumption, but it could be a self-fulfilling prophecy as well.
 
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Amused
Not at all. To have a firm belief in something you cannot possibly prove and therefore cannot logically "know" is, well, illogical.

Now, people have illogical beliefs all the time. Just so long as they realize that's what they are. 🙂
Click to expand...

My point is that your belief in the ultimate superiority of logic is, after all, a belief.
Click to expand...

A belief based on provable facts.

Going for a little nihilism, huh? 😛
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Pretty much😛

I'd claim that you can't "prove" any facts without the assumption of a certain pattern of logic being consistant with the universe in which we reside. Perhaps in a theoretical parallel universe, such statements as A->B, therefore if A, then B, would not hold, and thus our logic could "prove" nothing.

Or perhaps it is a greater "good" to do your best, and make a wrong statement, rather than to make no statement at all for fear of being wrong.

Basically, everyone's framework of the world has to be built on a core of unshakeable faith in SOMETHING, be it logic or not. We simply can't proceed without starting SOMEwhere. The fact that our core assumption does not seem to be disproved as we branch out from it serves as a partial confirmation of this assumption, but it could be a self-fulfilling prophecy as well.
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Arguing with a nihilist is pretty much useless. They accept no basis for any argument.

So I give in already. I know a lost cause when I'm in one. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Chunkee
going now, i am the story teller today in the kidz street program for the second service...i am also the Tech Ministry leader and host a Life Group in my house and lead it every week...the fellowship is awesome and have made some of the best friends anyone can have...pastor lives across the street and church is 30 seconds away in my neighborhood


have fun everyone.


jC
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ha ha. Tech ministry.



I'm getting ready for church. I teach our high school sunday school so I always have to be there early, which sucks.

 
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