Who getting Trinity?

[T_Yamamoto]

Not me! :whistle:

Does anyone know what Trinity can hybrid crossfire with anyways? Haven't been able to find this one out.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Yo! :biggrin:

(have 2x A8-5600K w/ 2x Gigabyte F2A85X-UP4)

 

[pelov]

Does anyone know what Trinity can hybrid crossfire with anyways? Haven't been able to find this one out.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224-4.html

 

[ShadowVVL]

might get a a8 laptop but not sure yet.

 

[NTMBK]

Does anyone know what Trinity can hybrid crossfire with anyways? Haven't been able to find this one out.

Blork, Dual Graphics is just asking for driver hell! (Same goes for any dual GPU setup...)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Thinking about an FM2 rig, maybe two. A little concerned about the 100W TDP, though if the locked CPU equivalents are only 65W TDP, either they are really binning, or that extra TDP is there just to allow a bit of overclocking.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Locked: Lower Clocks, Relaxed Turbo
Unlocked: Higher Clocks, Tightened Turbo

FirePro -> Black/White
^--binning

 

[frozentundra123456]

Not me! :whistle:

Does anyone know what Trinity can hybrid crossfire with anyways? Haven't been able to find this one out.

Not me either, for a desktop anyway.

Might consider a laptop or ultra thin though. Can't afford it right now though since I just got an i5 desktop.

Hybrid crossfire just seems like a gimmick to me. You can get better performance with a 7750 or 7770
And an i5 or FX,

 

[NostaSeronx]

Hybrid crossfire just seems like a gimmick to me.

Normal crossfire must be a gimmick as well.

384 ALUs (7660D) + 384 ALUs+96 SFUs (6670)

7660D + 7670(OEM)/6670

Trinity "Hybrid" Crossfire is much more like normal crossfire.

Llano + 6670 = 320 ALUs + 384 ALUs

 

[Roland00Address]

Don't bother with asymmetric/hybrid crossfire

Here is the benches of 6670 with gddr5 vs 7770
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/613?vs=536

As you can see the 7770 is 60 to 110% faster than a single 6670

With crossfire (with perfect symmetry) when it works you often get 60 to 80% scaling. Under perfect scenarios you may get 90% scaling. Well with asymmetric crossfire you do not get perfect symmetry (that is why they chose the name asymmetric which means not symetrical). The 7660d is ddr3 with a good amount less bandwidth and it has less calculation units (96 4D shaders is still less than 96 5D shaders).

Price of trinity
$81 approximately for amd athlon x4 750k (a10 fm2 processor without graphics, unlocked, ignore the athlon name it still a 32nm fm2 chip).
$110 for 7770 1gb before rebates sometime these go down to $90 after rebate
$191 Total (before mir)

or
$122 a10-5800k
$60 for 6670 1gb ddr3 or $85 for 6670 1gb gddr5
$182 Total for ddr3 or $207 for gddr5 version

This is not taking in effect the 7850 1gb I have seen as cheap as $162 before rebate and $142 AR. Yes that is $50 extra dollars but you get a lot more performance for $50

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Note I do not know anywhere that is selling the athlon x4 750k yet. Prices for that chip is from the anandtech price list. If you see it somewhere please give me a quick private message.

 

[Hubb1e]

Roland, that's a good comparision as kitguru showed that the Trinity CPU section had some game beating an i3 2105 in their gaming tests

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...e-f2a85x-up4-amd-a10-5800k-review-w-discrete/

If you're an AMD fan and want a budget gaming rig that Trinity based Athlon seems like a good price. Drop in a 7770 or 7850 and you've got a quad core gaming rig that holds its own against the dual core hyperthreaded Intels.

 

[dma0991]

I'll probably skip Trinity and get myself a Haswell laptop next year.

 

[Centauri]

Built myself an A10 desktop a week or two ago. Very happy with the performance, especially after a GPU over clock and allocating 512MBs of RAM to video in EFI rather than the default 256MBs.

Even dropped stock vcore from 1.425 to 1.275 and it's solid as a rock.

Stock HSF is **** though.

 

[AtenRa]

Im wating for Mini-iTX boards to show up in retail, ill then pair it with A10-5800K to replaice my Llano A8-3870K in my HTPC.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

I may go with a trinity mitx build. I don't game a lot but when I do its really light gaming. We will see.

 

[tulx]

Blork, Dual Graphics is just asking for driver hell! (Same goes for any dual GPU setup...)

This might have been true five years ago, but definitely not anymore. All new games that really need several GPUs also support them properly.

 

[Roland00Address]

This might have been true five years ago, but definitely not anymore. All new games that really need several GPUs also support them properly.

asymmetric crossfire did not work with dx9 games on llano. (Thus it does not work for diablo 3 or starcraft as well as hundrends of other games.)

 

[Madpacket]

I already purchased a 5800K APU but I'm waiting for someone to release an ITX FM2 board.

 

[Arkaign]

This might have been true five years ago, but definitely not anymore. All new games that really need several GPUs also support them properly.

Well, all things being equal, a faster single GPU is always better than multiple slower GPUs. The upper pinnacle of performance is always with multiple GPUs, but both Nvidia and AMD have never truly perfected SLI/CF, in support, in microstutter, in scaling %, etc.

I'm not saying it's not a good thing that it exists, and that it's hopelessly broken and useless, but it definitely is far from perfect. You also have issues with needing more power, more expensive mobos, and putting out double the heat/noise from your GPUs.

Sometimes CF/SLI have higher avg, but lower minimums :

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-hd-6870-radeon-hd-6850-barts,review-32028-20.html

I think that 6870CF is relatively close to a single 7950 in performance, but I'd much much much rather have the 7950 in that comparison. Would I turn down 7950CF though? No But I would probably disable CF in games that didn't need it.

As for Hybrid CF with Llano/Trinity .. ehhhh. If you could mix it and combine with 7850/7870 or even 7770, it would be much much much more exciting. As it is, the best possible config (overclocked iGPU w/overclocked dGPU of highest bin) .. it basically approaches a mediocre single discrete GPU. You also need to combine it with the best DDR3 you can find to have a chance not getting penalzied heavily for low bandwidth. Llano/Trinity w/DDR3-1066/1333 = terrrrrrrrible. 1600 is okay. 1866 and beyond is what you want with a rig like that.

 

[Arkaign]

Roland, that's a good comparision as kitguru showed that the Trinity CPU section had some game beating an i3 2105 in their gaming tests

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...e-f2a85x-up4-amd-a10-5800k-review-w-discrete/

If you're an AMD fan and want a budget gaming rig that Trinity based Athlon seems like a good price. Drop in a 7770 or 7850 and you've got a quad core gaming rig that holds its own against the dual core hyperthreaded Intels.

I think this is a good point. The locked nature of the i3 kind of offends the budget overclocker in me With Intel, I believe it's 2500K or better, or bust

 

[Ferzerp]

I think this is a good point. The locked nature of the i3 kind of offends the budget overclocker in me With Intel, I believe it's 2500K or better, or bust

Looks like the strategy of pushing enthusiast in to a higher cost sku has worked out well for them....

 

[happysmiles]

laptops are too big for me

 

[bokchoi]

well i just bought a A10-5800k.... cant wait for it to come in the mail... gonna make a nice little htpc...


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[SPBHM]

I would love to get a trinity laptop (that's where the "APU" thing and llano are at its best),
but here where I live AMD laptops are really rare and overpriced...

anyone knows when Athlon X4 trinity is going to be released?

 

[Red Hawk]

If I was in the market for an inexpensive laptop that could play some games, I would buy a Trinity laptop in a heartbeat. If I had a friend who was looking for an inexpensive laptop or desktop system with maybe some light gaming, I would recommend Trinity (and in fact, I did help a friend pick out a Llano laptop last summer, and he's been quite happy with it).

Unfortunately, neither I nor anyone I know really needs Trinity right now. I'd love to replace my laptop with a Trinity laptop but I don't have that kind of money right now.