Czar
Why did the U.N. pull its observers at the request of Nasser at the beginning of the 67 war?
Why did the U.N. pull its observers at the request of Nasser at the beginning of the 67 war?
Actually Czar, the study showed that the Jews were CLOSEST genetically to the Arabs, not that they were the same genetically as you say. There are disctinct differences, like the fact that every legitimate Jewish Kohen carries what is being called the "Kohen" gene.
etech,
not a clue
but about your other post I think it summaries very well why the palestinians dont have their own country
Passner,
yes, but according to the person who did the studdy then they are close enough to be the same "race"
not a clue
but about your other post I think it summaries very well why the palestinians dont have their own country
Passner,
yes, but according to the person who did the studdy then they are close enough to be the same "race"
Jews and Arabs dont look alike, the Jews in Isreal are Jews that were relocated from Europe after world war 2
<< great place to ask that question, considering all of the experts on this forum. >>
Linux23,
Even though, obviously, there aren't any experts hanging out here, it's not a bad place to ask because of the opposing points of view. We have the hardcore supporters of Israel (like me), and the hardcore supporters of murderers, (Czar). Just mix it all up, and arrive at your own conclusions.
Russ, NCNE
Russ, as usual, you hit the nail right on the head.
This topic is well covered in a book titled "Tine Immemorial" by Joan Peters.
Here's a description of the book:
This monumental and fascinating book, the product of seven years of original research, will forever change the terms of the debate about the conflicting claims of the Arabs and the Jews in the Middle East.
The weight of the comprehensive evidence found and brilliantly analyzed by historian and journalist Joan Peters answers many crucial questions, among them: Why are the Arab refugees from Israel seen in a different light from all the other, far more numerous peoples who were displaced after World War II? Why, indeed, are they seen differently from the Jewish refugees who were forced, in 1948 and after, to leave the Arab countries to find a haven in Israel? Who, in fact, are the Arabs who were living within the borders of present-day Israel, and where did they come from?
Joan Peters's highly readable and moving development of the answers to these and related questions will appear startling, even to those on both sides of the argument who have considered themselves to be in command of the facts. On the basis of a definitive weight of hitherto unexamined population and other historical data, much of it buried in untouched archives, Peters demonstrates that Jews did not displace Arabs in Palestine-just the reverse: Arabs displaced Jews; that a hidden but major Arab migration and immigration took place into areas settled by Jews in pre-Israel Palestine; that a substantial number of the Arab refugees called Palestinians in reality had foreign roots; that for every Arab refugee who left Israel in 1948, there was a Jewish refugee who fled or was expelled from his Arab birthplace at the same time-today's much discussed Sephardic majority in Israel is in fact composed mainly of these Arab-born Jewish refugees or their offspring; that Britain, the Mandatory power, winked at and even encouraged Arab immigration into Palestine between the two World Wars; that by disguising the Arab immigrants as "indigenous native Palestinian Arabs," the British justified their restrictions on Jewish immigration and settlement, dooming masses of European Jews to destruction in the Nazi camps.
Joan Peters also unfolds a historical record to shatter the widely held belief that Arabs and Jews harmoniously coexisted for centuries in the Arab world-the fact is that the Jews, along with other non-Muslims, were second-class citizens, oppressed in the Muslim world for more than a millennium. And this continuing prejudicial tradition of hostility underlies, as well, every Arab action toward the state of Israel.
In addition to her pioneering archival researches, Joan Peters has frequently traveled in the Middle East, conducting numerous interviews and gathering the personal observations of the first-rate reporter she is. The result is a book that has already had a major impact on policy discussions of one of the most vital and intractable of the world's problems, shrouded until now in a fog of misinformation and ignorance.
About the Author
Joan Peters has written and lectured widely on the Middle East, Central America, and the Soviet Union. She has contributed to Harper's, Commentary, The New Republic, The New Leader, and other periodicals, and has served as White House consultant on the Middle East.
This topic is well covered in a book titled "Tine Immemorial" by Joan Peters.
Here's a description of the book:
This monumental and fascinating book, the product of seven years of original research, will forever change the terms of the debate about the conflicting claims of the Arabs and the Jews in the Middle East.
The weight of the comprehensive evidence found and brilliantly analyzed by historian and journalist Joan Peters answers many crucial questions, among them: Why are the Arab refugees from Israel seen in a different light from all the other, far more numerous peoples who were displaced after World War II? Why, indeed, are they seen differently from the Jewish refugees who were forced, in 1948 and after, to leave the Arab countries to find a haven in Israel? Who, in fact, are the Arabs who were living within the borders of present-day Israel, and where did they come from?
Joan Peters's highly readable and moving development of the answers to these and related questions will appear startling, even to those on both sides of the argument who have considered themselves to be in command of the facts. On the basis of a definitive weight of hitherto unexamined population and other historical data, much of it buried in untouched archives, Peters demonstrates that Jews did not displace Arabs in Palestine-just the reverse: Arabs displaced Jews; that a hidden but major Arab migration and immigration took place into areas settled by Jews in pre-Israel Palestine; that a substantial number of the Arab refugees called Palestinians in reality had foreign roots; that for every Arab refugee who left Israel in 1948, there was a Jewish refugee who fled or was expelled from his Arab birthplace at the same time-today's much discussed Sephardic majority in Israel is in fact composed mainly of these Arab-born Jewish refugees or their offspring; that Britain, the Mandatory power, winked at and even encouraged Arab immigration into Palestine between the two World Wars; that by disguising the Arab immigrants as "indigenous native Palestinian Arabs," the British justified their restrictions on Jewish immigration and settlement, dooming masses of European Jews to destruction in the Nazi camps.
Joan Peters also unfolds a historical record to shatter the widely held belief that Arabs and Jews harmoniously coexisted for centuries in the Arab world-the fact is that the Jews, along with other non-Muslims, were second-class citizens, oppressed in the Muslim world for more than a millennium. And this continuing prejudicial tradition of hostility underlies, as well, every Arab action toward the state of Israel.
In addition to her pioneering archival researches, Joan Peters has frequently traveled in the Middle East, conducting numerous interviews and gathering the personal observations of the first-rate reporter she is. The result is a book that has already had a major impact on policy discussions of one of the most vital and intractable of the world's problems, shrouded until now in a fog of misinformation and ignorance.
About the Author
Joan Peters has written and lectured widely on the Middle East, Central America, and the Soviet Union. She has contributed to Harper's, Commentary, The New Republic, The New Leader, and other periodicals, and has served as White House consultant on the Middle East.
...and hardcore assholes like russ, who like to put down other people who dont think like he does (you're supposed to stop that once you get out of high school old man, which for you would have been a loooooooong time ago)
Squisher
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<<In short the Palestinians and Arabs have been worrying to much about how to kick the Jews off of their continent to have time to bother setting up a country for the Palestinians. They had their chance back in 48 and blew it.>>
And, have never had any desire to solve the refugee problem because it would take away one of the things they could hold up to the rest of the world as being caused by Zionism.
And, have never had any desire to solve the refugee problem because it would take away one of the things they could hold up to the rest of the world as being caused by Zionism.
Czar
Accept my word for it or I'll find you a link.
Now, knowing that the President of Egypt was able to pull the U.N. peacekeepers out of the way of his pending attack on Israel. Why should Israel have any reason to trust the U.N.?
"but about your other post I think it summaries very well why the palestinians dont have their own country"
That is a very short version of all that happened but thank you, I think it covered the high points.
Accept my word for it or I'll find you a link.
Now, knowing that the President of Egypt was able to pull the U.N. peacekeepers out of the way of his pending attack on Israel. Why should Israel have any reason to trust the U.N.?
"but about your other post I think it summaries very well why the palestinians dont have their own country"
That is a very short version of all that happened but thank you, I think it covered the high points.
<< Even though, obviously, there aren't any experts hanging out here, it's not a bad place to ask because of the opposing points of view. We have the hardcore supporters of Israel (like me), and the hardcore supporters of murderers, (Czar). Just mix it all up, and arrive at your own conclusions. >>
LOL Hahaha, that is so funny and true at that.
<< ...and hardcore assholes like russ, who like to put down other people who dont think like he does >>
You mean ignorant bigots, Valhalla1, who barf up nonsense about the Jews controlling the world? Yep, and proud of it.
Russ, NCNE
ThePresence
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<< Jews and Arabs dont look alike, the Jews in Isreal are Jews that were relocated from Europe after world war 2 >>
You are only referring to Ashkenazic Jews. You can not be able to tell a Sephardic jew from an Arab.
etech,
trust, I think its something else than trust that is needed, since on the UN involvement its just politics. The UN somehow in a twisted way reprisents the countries of the world and alot of the official information that those countries get is through the UN. When the UN is condamning actions taken by Israel it makes Israel look politicaly extremely bad in the eyes of the world, and that just cant be good. Trust takes time and a will from both sides to aqire it.
trust, I think its something else than trust that is needed, since on the UN involvement its just politics. The UN somehow in a twisted way reprisents the countries of the world and alot of the official information that those countries get is through the UN. When the UN is condamning actions taken by Israel it makes Israel look politicaly extremely bad in the eyes of the world, and that just cant be good. Trust takes time and a will from both sides to aqire it.
<< ...and hardcore assholes like russ, who like to put down other people who dont think like he does (you're supposed to stop that once you get out of high school old man, which for you would have been a loooooooong time ago) >>
At least he graduated from high school, what about you? Isn't it time to grow up and stop being a punk?
Why don't you save some bandwidth if you don't have anything intelligent to add to the discussion.
oh, like u did, by posting some amazon book description? yes I did graduate from high school you moron, not many IT professionals are drop-outs in case you didn't know..
Geekbabe
Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
<< ...and hardcore assholes like russ, who like to put down other people who dont think like he does (you're supposed to stop that once you get out of high school old man, which for you would have been a loooooooong time ago) >>
Well, if I were ever in a situation in which we were being attacked like we were on 9/11 I'd rather have a "hardcore asshole" like Russ around me than the likes of you, heck then I'd stand a chance of getting out alive
Russ,
Tell me, why are so much for personal insults? I remember our last "argument" quite some time ago and basicly it was about nothing but it involved alot of personal insults from your part, so tell me what good does it do for you?
Tell me, why are so much for personal insults? I remember our last "argument" quite some time ago and basicly it was about nothing but it involved alot of personal insults from your part, so tell me what good does it do for you?
ahh, ass-kiss the bully so he wont turn on you... personally I like Russ, I think he's swell.. I also think he is a total asshole, which is also swell.
<< ...and hardcore assholes like russ >>
Russ you got a compliment!
Seems that when Russ and I went to high school they actually taught history....
Czar,
If you consider illuminating the inanity of your philosophy insulting, so be it.
Russ, NCNE
If you consider illuminating the inanity of your philosophy insulting, so be it.
Russ, NCNE
Geekbabe
Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
<< ahh, ass-kiss the bully so he wont turn on you... personally I like Russ, I think he's swell.. I also think he is a total asshole, which is also swell. >>
lol, who I do or don't "ass kiss" and why is a NOYB and that's also "swell"
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