Who do I side with in 2020? (issues based)

fskimospy · May 15, 2019

woolfe9998 said:
Yes, I've come around to agreeing with nuking the fillibuster. However, it might not be possible in a reasonable time frame. The only other possible answer is to take the case on these issues to the American public, in both a smarter and more forceful manner than we've done in the past. The POTUS it the best person to lead that effort.

You just posted a link to an article where Warren is getting cheered by a bunch of MAGA hate wearing Trump voters in WVA. This suggests to me that people are persuadable on issues. Truthfully I'm not that hopeful on it but it's our only real option.

I think people already generally agree with Democrats on most of the issues, our system just has a very strong bias towards disproportionate rural political power. Tribalism is a huge problem too of course but I think without that rural bias it wouldn’t matter so much. One big advantage of nuking what remains of the filibuster (outside of it being good governance IMO) is that voters will not give a single, solitary shit. They never do about parliamentary procedure. Hell, they will probably like it when the government becomes more functional.

If the Democrats take the senate in 2020 they MUST nuke the filibuster or they are setting themselves up for a bloodbath in 2020 with nothing to show for it. Democratic voters will look at how little was accomplished and, not unreasonably, decide voting for Democrats was a waste of time.

woolfe9998 · May 15, 2019

fskimospy said:
I think people already generally agree with Democrats on most of the issues, our system just has a very strong bias towards disproportionate rural political power. Tribalism is a huge problem too of course but I think without that rural bias it wouldn’t matter so much. One big advantage of nuking what remains of the filibuster (outside of it being good governance IMO) is that voters will not give a single, solitary shit. They never do about parliamentary procedure. Hell, they will probably like it when the government becomes more functional.

If the Democrats take the senate in 2020 they MUST nuke the filibuster or they are setting themselves up for a bloodbath in 2020 with nothing to show for it. Democratic voters will look at how little was accomplished and, not unreasonably, decide voting for Democrats was a waste of time.

"Generally agree" is quite obviously insufficient. If you look at polls, it's rather complicated. On healthcare, most people want a government option but support drops way down when we introduce the idea of not allowing private insurance. On climate change, barely a majority even agrees that it's a serious issue. Far more can be done to sell the American public on both of these issues.

I totally agree on the filibuster. I wish McConnell had done Trump's bidding when urged to nuke it. They could pass a bunch of horrid bills and the dems will later get rid of them and pass a bunch of goods bills. The difference being the repubs don't really have any policies. They just want to get rid of stuff. Once the dems pass things which will help people, it will be tough to make them go away even if they have the votes to do so. The party with the better policies which will be more popular once implemented has the advantage when legislation is easier to get through. And it's always easier to oppose new legislation (mainly by lying about it) then to repeal something already in place (like the ACA). So getting rid of the filibuster will help the dems. It's too bad McConnell was smart enough to see that.

glenn1 · May 15, 2019

woolfe9998 said:
You just posted a link to an article where Warren is getting cheered by a bunch of MAGA hat wearing Trump voters in WVA. This suggests to me that people are persuadable on issues. Truthfully I'm not that hopeful on it but it's our only real option.

There's a decent subset of voters who were Trump voters then and are open to someone else who seems like they want to blow up the status quo and create a very different social contract. Their ideas may be different about what might replace the old construct and neither Trump or Warren might be their preferred vehicle if they had other options, but "more of what government has done for 20-30 years" isn't it. They might not like the Warren "break up Wall Street" proposals anymore than they like Trump's "build the wall" but they're offering actual change (delivering it is another story altogether). If you're running as a status quo technocrat then those folks aren't interested, period. They're the Trump voters, Brexit voters, et cetera and if they vote for someone like Biden it will be grudgingly IMHO.

On this point Buttigieg is 100% correct, no winning message for 2020 includes "back" or "again" as a slogan. If Biden runs on a "return to the Obama days" if he wins it will be much in spite of that message instead of because of it.

kage69 · May 15, 2019

Klobuchar - 96%
Booker - 95%
Buttigieg - 94%

Hrmmmm

kage69 · May 15, 2019

DrunkenSano said:
Interesting test, how did everyone get 90%+ on their candidates? Seems like none of them fit me like you guys. :|

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Might have something to do with if you just select Yes/No, or drill down to a more specific answer.

woolfe9998 · May 15, 2019

glenn1 said:
There's a decent subset of voters who were Trump voters then and are open to someone else who seems like they want to blow up the status quo and create a very different social contract. Their ideas may be different about what might replace the old construct and neither Trump or Warren might be their preferred vehicle if they had other options, but "more of what government has done for 20-30 years" isn't it. They might not like the Warren "break up Wall Street" proposals anymore than they like Trump's "build the wall" but they're offering actual change (delivering it is another story altogether). If you're running as a status quo technocrat then those folks aren't interested, period. They're the Trump voters, Brexit voters, et cetera and if they vote for someone like Biden it will be grudgingly IMHO.

On this point Buttigieg is 100% correct, no winning message for 2020 includes "back" or "again" as a slogan. If Biden runs on a "return to the Obama days" if he wins it will be much in spite of that message instead of because of it.

You could well be correct. The notion that someone prefers change, and would take either far right OR far left change over something closer to status quo or incremental change is pretty sad, actually. If one has any real principles, or for that matter, any brains, one would see that change for change sake is not a good idea, that it really depends on the nature of the change. But then, you're probably describing the actual mindset of a good sized chunk of actual voters in this country.

fskimospy · May 15, 2019

woolfe9998 said:
"Generally agree" is quite obviously insufficient. If you look at polls, it's rather complicated. On healthcare, most people want a government option but support drops way down when we introduce the idea of not allowing private insurance. On climate change, barely a majority even agrees that it's a serious issue. Far more can be done to sell the American public on both of these issues.

I totally agree on the filibuster. I wish McConnell had done Trump's bidding when urged to nuke it. They could pass a bunch of horrid bills and the dems will later get rid of them and pass a bunch of goods bills. The difference being the repubs don't really have any policies. They just want to get rid of stuff. Once the dems pass things which will help people, it will be tough to make them go away even if they have the votes to do so. The party with the better policies which will be more popular once implemented has the advantage when legislation is easier to get through. And it's always easier to oppose new legislation (mainly by lying about it) then to repeal something already in place (like the ACA). So getting rid of the filibuster will help the dems. It's too bad McConnell was smart enough to see that.

Very true. After all, even when they were trying to muster 50 votes to repeal parts of the ACA they couldn’t do it.

This is why Mitch McConnell will never nuke the legislative filibuster. It’s already gone for the bills he wants to pass (tax cuts for rich people) so it only inhibits progressive legislation.

Starbuck1975 · May 15, 2019

All of the candidates landed between 40% and 60%, except Kasich who was just over 80%.

Klobacher, Yang and Buttigieg lead the next pack in the 60s, followed by Sanders, Gabbard and Warren.

Trump, Booker, Beto and Harris all landed at the bottom of the pile.

Muse · May 15, 2019

I'm 99th percentile for Harris, Warren, O'Rourke and Boutigieg.

JEDIYoda · May 16, 2019

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imported_tajmahal · May 16, 2019

Trump won

87% Republican,
81% Constitution
50% Libertarian.

Moonbeam · May 16, 2019

dank69 said:
Answered every single question and expanded every "other choices" list to choose the most accurate answer. I used one user submission and submitted one user submission of my own (for the minimum wage thing).
Link to results:
https://www.isidewith.com/profile/3787415124/ballot/custom=l:595821989

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I guess you could only get up to 87 % because none of the candidates expressly wanted everybody else to die.

Moonbeam · May 16, 2019

Tulsi Gabbard 99%
Kirsten Gillibrand 99%
Pete Buttigieg 99%
Elizabeth Warren 97%
Kamala Harris 97%
Beto O'Rourke 97%
Julian Castro 97%
Cory Booker 96%
Amy Klobuchar 96%
Joe Biden 94%
Bernie Sanders 94%
Donald Trump 34%

But because 34% of the time Trump lies he's accidentally correct.

dank69 · May 16, 2019

Moonbeam said:
I guess you could only get up to 87 % because none of the candidates expressly wanted everybody else to die.

Yes that is the major problem with these nambly pambly candidates, haha.

Ken g6 · Jun 27, 2019

95% Cory Booker.

I feel like they asked a lot of the wrong questions (national security - I don't know what we really need there) and not enough of the right ones (climate crisis, wealth redistribution, health care).

ivwshane · Jun 27, 2019

I just took it again and my results were a little different however everyone was within a couple of points. That means whoever gets the nomination will pretty much be what I'm looking for.

dank69 · Jun 27, 2019

ivwshane said:
I just took it again and my results were a little different however everyone was within a couple of points. That means whoever gets the nomination will pretty much be what I'm looking for.View attachment 7787

Most of them seem to be coalescing around a common platform. It isn't like it is a secret what American people want. The problem is just not letting the American people know that liberals are the ones backing the solutions. That's why Bernie was so fucking popular with disenfranchised Republicans. He wasn't a filthy Democrat. I won't tell them that he wasn't a Democrat because he has always been way more liberal than Democrats if you don't.

UglyCasanova · Jun 27, 2019

UglyCasanova · Jun 27, 2019

Mines pretty interesting, I wonder how accurate that is.

hal2kilo · Jun 27, 2019

Must have done something wrong.

95% Socialist
93% Democrat
89% Green
88% Peace & Freedom
22% Libertarian
13% Republican
99% Constitution

No candidates

ivwshane · Jun 27, 2019

hal2kilo said:
Must have done something wrong.

95% Socialist
93% Democrat
89% Green
88% Peace & Freedom
22% Libertarian
13% Republican
99% Constitution

No candidates

You have to change tabs

Jhhnn · Jun 27, 2019

My fave part in all this is conservatives telling Dems to run the gay guy, like that'll work.

hal2kilo · Jun 27, 2019

ivwshane said:
You have to change tabs

I'll let it ride. I hate surveys. Do business with someone anymore, they want a survey. Pay me!

Maxima1 · Jun 27, 2019

woolfe9998 said:
"Generally agree" is quite obviously insufficient. If you look at polls, it's rather complicated. On healthcare, most people want a government option but support drops way down when we introduce the idea of not allowing private insurance. On climate change, barely a majority even agrees that it's a serious issue. Far more can be done to sell the American public on both of these issues.

I totally agree on the filibuster. I wish McConnell had done Trump's bidding when urged to nuke it. They could pass a bunch of horrid bills and the dems will later get rid of them and pass a bunch of goods bills. The difference being the repubs don't really have any policies. They just want to get rid of stuff.

It's turtles all the way down.

BonzaiDuck · Jun 28, 2019

My favored candidates only show 89% results in my ranking. Wasn't surprised that "party orientation" was "Democratic" and "Socialist".

But there just seems to be something lacking in how the questionnaire works.

It seems to assess "beliefs". Belief will not get you a dime for a cup of coffee.

The Right is "Belief-driven". They can take their beliefs and shove them up their asses.

Who do I side with in 2020? (issues based)

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