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Who cares about Guns, Gays, Abortion, or Immigrants??

shady28

shady28

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Really? This forum is full of people who do not understand what freedom means. It does not mean 60% of the people constantly enforcing trivial social beliefs on 40%. It means respecting people's right to choose, and holding them accountable for those decisions.

If people want to have guns and feel it's their right, let them.

If homosexuals want to marry and feel it's their right, let them.

If women want to have unregulated ability to abort their babies, let them.

If foreigners want to immigrate to the USA, let them (immigrate) and make them citizens.

All this garbage is nothing more than red herrings to real issues that impact 100% of people in this country, and in fact countries all over the world.

The real issues that affect every single man woman and child revolve around corrupt politics, corrupt financial systems, unstable currencies, limited resources and resource access in an increasingly crowded world. These are the threats that can, and if not handled will, ultimately leave you and your family hungry, cold, and defenseless.
 
Oh, I'm all for abortion (to a degree - let's be scientific and figure out when the fetus starts to have recognizable brain patterns that can be classified as life), gay marriage, people owning guns, allowing people to immigrate or emmigrate and so forth. But that's because I'm a libertarian at the core.
 
Only if everything was that simple. Not everyone should own a gun. Some people feel that life begins at conception and feel they are protecting an innocent child. Immigration... Simply letting in the rest of the world won't work plus there are so many dynamics to be considered.

These issues are important and they are related to the corrupt politics. There is a valid reason why they are called wedge issues.
 
rudder said:
Only if everything was that simple. Not everyone should own a gun. Some people feel that life begins at conception and feel they are protecting an innocent child. Immigration... Simply letting in the rest of the world won't work plus there are so many dynamics to be considered.

These issues are important and they are related to the corrupt politics. There is a valid reason why they are called wedge issues.
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They aren't important because they don't threaten the stability of the economy and the financial systems.

Those people that care so much for such issues will not care one lick for them if say, the dollar were to become worthless, gas were to go to $20 / gallon, or unemployment were to hit 50%.
 
shady28 said:
If foreigners want to immigrate to the USA, let them (immigrate) and make them citizens.

The real issues that affect every single man woman and child revolve around corrupt politics, corrupt financial systems, unstable currencies, limited resources and resource access in an increasingly crowded world. These are the threats that can, and if not handled will, ultimately leave you and your family hungry, cold, and defenseless.
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Do you see the contradiction?
 
shady28 said:
They aren't important because they don't threaten the stability of the economy and the financial systems.

Those people that care so much for such issues will not care one lick for them if say, the dollar were to become worthless, gas were to go to $20 / gallon, or unemployment were to hit 50%.
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Immigration is not important? There are 150,000 new jobs being created a month. Open the doors to massive immigration and suddenly those 150,000 jobs are needed by 160,000 Americans entering the workforce and hundreds of thousands of new citizens. Not to mention that as of right now the federal government has $80+ trillion of obligations on top of the $16 trillion of debt. Now we add large numbers of people under. Obamacare, Medicare, social security, etc... The very stability of our financial systems are at stake.

Again... Those other things are wedge issues. Politicians use gay marriage, guns, abortion to sway the voting public one way or the other. None have the potential financial impact of this latest immigration battle... But people still care and will continue to do so.
 
shady28 said:
It means respecting people's right to choose, and holding them accountable for those decisions.


If foreigners want to immigrate to the USA, let them (immigrate) and make them citizens.

All this garbage is nothing more than red herrings to real issues that impact 100% of people in this country, and in fact countries all over the world.
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Are you freaking kidding me? Hold them accountable for their own decisions?

You mean ILLEGAL and illiterate peasants to sneak in by hordes, would not give a damn about our rule and law, and then have the nerve to demand citizenship? Legal = si, ILLEGAL = no, Comprende?

Why don't you go to border towns in AZ, TX, CA and ask the folks that live there how they feel about ILLEGALS? And while you are at it, do tell us one name, just one country on Earth would let any ILLEGALS to sneak in without any consequences.

Do you even bother to read what you typed?
 
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we already allow people to immigrate.

the system isn't broken. our borders are not enforced. THAT is what is broken. and to add insult to injury, we have thousands of MS and PhD-holding foreign nationals that we send home every year, and they follow the law, yet let people with barely any education stay here illegally.
 
Sovereignty is how we protect the continued existence of our Bill of Rights, Constitution, etc. Immigration is a direct threat to that, when the majority population in multiple states becomes culturally foreign.

Our laws are nothing more than ideas held in the hearts of our people. Takes but a single generation who do not believe in them - to end our civilization.
 
I say we kick out all the immigrants who have been here for years and still can't speak english.....................



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World Zionism, World Jewry, Rothschild Illuminati, or Marxist Communism or Islamic domination

Pick 1
 
Batshit crazy gunowners going on a shooting spree and killing random people isn't good for tourism and therefor also not good for the economy. Unrestrained economic immigrants (political refugees should still be able to find a safe haven) can help an economy if it's in need of cheap labour, but if the economy is already down and unemployment is rising then getting tons more cheap labourers isn't going to help.

Those against abortions are free not to get one themselves but shouldn't interfere with someone elses right to have a clump of cells removed that's as much as human being at that stage as a random malignant tumor.

And marriage is not a Judaic invention, so claiming that gays aren't allowed to marry as that 'attacks the sanctity of marriage' is nonsense anyway.
 
rudder said:
Immigration is not important? There are 150,000 new jobs being created a month. Open the doors to massive immigration and suddenly those 150,000 jobs are needed by 160,000 Americans entering the workforce and hundreds of thousands of new citizens.
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The presence of hundreds of thousands of new people would, itself, create more jobs.
 
My country right to reject and persecute you in it's territory for being an illegal >>>> Your right to immigrate

Svnla said:
Are you freaking kidding me? Hold them accountable for their own decisions?

You mean ILLEGAL and illiterate peasants to sneak in by hordes, would not give a damn about our rule and law, and then have the nerve to demand citizenship? Legal = si, ILLEGAL = no, Comprende?

Why don't you go to border towns in AZ, TX, CA and ask the folks that live there how they feel about ILLEGALS? And while you are at it, do tell us one name, just one country on Earth would let any ILLEGALS to sneak in without any consequences.

Do you even bother to read what you typed?
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We all know third worlders can't possibly have over entitlement issues. Only evil whites can.
 
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shady28 said:
Really? This forum is full of people who do not understand what freedom means.
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A big part of the problem is that left versus right has little to do with freedom. Both sides think they better represent "freedom" than the other. Both are generally wrong.

The problem is a lack of understanding of the real issue, which is that there are different types of liberty, and a two-dimensional scale is a better way of representing positions. No measurement is perfect, but the World's Smallest Political Quiz does a pretty good job of demonstrating the various ways of looking at this.
 
CharlesKozierok said:
A big part of the problem is that left versus right has little to do with freedom. Both sides think they better represent "freedom" than the other. Both are generally wrong.

The problem is a lack of understanding of the real issue, which is that there are different types of liberty, and a two-dimensional scale is a better way of representing positions. No measurement is perfect, but the World's Smallest Political Quiz does a pretty good job of demonstrating the various ways of looking at this.
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How do you score on that quiz? I am taking it right now.
 
shady28 said:
They aren't important because they don't threaten the stability of the economy and the financial systems.

Those people that care so much for such issues will not care one lick for them if say, the dollar were to become worthless, gas were to go to $20 / gallon, or unemployment were to hit 50%.
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You right they wont care in that scenario. But those things you listed are all one of the few things they can have a say in. Normal people have no control or say over the economy or financial system. So they talk about these other issues.

You are naive obviously to the real world and how it actually works.
 
Ausm said:
How do you score on that quiz? I am taking it right now.
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Centrist prefer a "middle ground" regarding government control of the economy and personal behavior. Depending on the issue, they sometimes favor government intervention and sometimes support individual freedom of choice. Centrists pride themselves on keeping an open mind, tend to oppose "political extremes," and emphasize what they describe as "practical" solutions to problems.
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Interesting contrast:
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I scored 70%/90%, which puts me solidly libertarian and slightly right of center. I'm usually a bit more libertarian and more left than that, depending on the test.

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There are a couple of questions on there that IMO are too nuanced for simple yes/no answers. I'm probably right of center for not answering that I think military service should be voluntary, and for supporting a national ID card, but I support those things for different reasons than many, and only under certain conditions.

This is a more complex (and thus probably more accurate) 2D political test. On that one I scored -2.00/-6.36 -- strongly libertarian on social issues, a little left of center on economic issues.

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CharlesKozierok said:
The problem is a lack of understanding of the real issue, which is that there are different types of liberty, and a two-dimensional scale is a better way of representing positions. No measurement is perfect, but the World's Smallest Political Quiz does a pretty good job of demonstrating the various ways of looking at this.
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The quiz is pretty dumb. It has no questions about important issues such as abortion or gay marriage.

It has relatively absurd questions like "Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more.

And questions that have almost no relevance or importance "There should be no National ID card", "Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft"
 
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