Who Built Anandtech?

[Jaskalas]

Nobody on "the left" is trying to take credit for Anand's achievement; they're simply reminding the public that achievements like AnandTech don't come out of a vacuum.

We're all here thanks to the commune comrade! Praise Stalin!

 

[Charles Kozierok]

We're all here thanks to the commune comrade! Praise Stalin!

Are there any rational conservatives left at all any more?

Serious question.

PS While I personally think Anand deserves nearly all the credit for what he created, I bet Anand would be the first person to acknowledge that he didn't do it alone. Since we're on his forums, for example, think about all the admins and moderators who keep this place humming -- as volunteers, as I understand it.

 

[Jaskalas]

When there's someone rational to have a conversation with. Else we're free to stoop down to the level of our opponent.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Actually at the London 2012 Olympics opening last night they had some guy from London on that said he created the Internet.

Poor Al Gore, he has been bumped by a Brit.

lol Yeah, he only built the WWW, not the internet. Tim Berners-Lee proposed using hypertext that links together much of the web pages, which later would be known as WWW. He also, shockingly I know, did not build it alone....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Are there any rational conservatives left at all any more?

I feel I am a rational Conservative, which is why I am rebelling against my party atm.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

When there's someone rational to have a conversation with. Else we're free to stoop down to the level of our opponent.

The problem here is that you stooped well below the level of the person to which you responded. He wrote a very rational, analytical post, and you replied with "We're all here thanks to the commune comrade! Praise Stalin!".

So, in addition to your response to him being irrational, your claim that you were responding to him that way due to his irrationality was also irrational.

 

[michal1980]

Are there any rational conservatives left at all any more?

Serious question.

PS While I personally think Anand deserves nearly all the credit for what he created, I bet Anand would be the first person to acknowledge that he didn't do it alone. Since we're on his forums, for example, think about all the admins and moderators who keep this place humming -- as volunteers, as I understand it.

Anand still built it.

Did you miss the part in the story where he works insane hours to get a review out? Where he travels to meetings? etc etc.

Yes others help anand out. But it was Anand that built Anandtech. not some goverment handout.

 

[Brainonska511]

Anand still built it.

Did you miss the part in the story where he works insane hours to get a review out? Where he travels to meetings? etc etc.

Yes others help anand out. But it was Anand that built Anandtech. not some goverment handout.

As they say, you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Obama's speech never suggested that successful small businessmen made it to where they are because of a 'goverment [sic] handout'. (PS, maybe you should have used those government-provided resources, like schooling, to learn how to spell government and capitalize proper nouns, like Anand). Small businesses merely received help in that society created an environment in which the individual owners could excel through their own initiative and work.

 

[fskimospy]

Anand still built it.

Did you miss the part in the story where he works insane hours to get a review out? Where he travels to meetings? etc etc.

Yes others help anand out. But it was Anand that built Anandtech. not some goverment handout.

I'm so happy that we all agree that we succeed due to our individual initiative, combined with the help of others.

This topic really shows just how insane the right's argument was about all this. Some guy here thought that Anand was able to make a successful website on the government created internet and never gave a second thought to the idea that this website wouldn't have been possible without the government created internet to begin with.

 

[sandorski]

As they say, you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Obama's speech never suggested that successful small businessmen made it to where they are because of a 'goverment [sic] handout'. (PS, maybe you should have used those government-provided resources, like schooling, to learn how to spell government and capitalize proper nouns, like Anand). Small businesses merely received help in that society created an environment in which the individual owners could excel through their own initiative and work.

Speaking of Government Handouts, it was either Jon Stewart or TYT who showed recently that some of the very people who appeared in Romney's Ad, did indeed receive Government Loans/Funds in order to get their Businesses off the ground.

 

[sandorski]

I'm so happy that we all agree that we succeed due to our individual initiative, combined with the help of others.

This topic really shows just how insane the right's argument was about all this. Some guy here thought that Anand was able to make a successful website on the government created internet and never gave a second thought to the idea that this website wouldn't have been possible without the government created internet to begin with.

I'm pretty sure this argument is partially payback for various Bush bashings of the past. I think we could agree that Obama definitely used the wrong word, should have used "those" instead of "that". Bush was constantly being ridiculed/bashed for similar(although usually far more ridiculous)errors. However, Bush was hardly painted to actually believe in the errors he made, especially at the Official Campaign level. They were used as Jokes and/or another piece of evidence of just how "stupid" he was.

 

[boochi]

I guess the State of North Carolina built anandtech.
We all go to NC State.

 

[peonyu]

He didn't say business owners didn't build their own businesses you drooling retard.


Quote:
President Obama: If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the G.I. Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."

To bad Obama plagiarized that speech and didn't give credit to its original author. Elizabeth Warren made that speech 9 months ago, and of course obongo who has no real ideas of his own has to steal it and present it as his own. Its no wonder the guy is a lousy President..

http://capitalistpreservation.blogspot.com/2012/07/is-obama-plagiarizing-elizabeth-warrens.html

 

[fskimospy]

To bad Obama plagiarized that speech and didn't give credit to its original author. Elizabeth Warren made that speech 9 months ago, and of course obongo who has no real ideas of his own has to steal it and present it as his own. Its no wonder the guy is a lousy President..

http://capitalistpreservation.blogspot.com/2012/07/is-obama-plagiarizing-elizabeth-warrens.html

It's not new with Elizabeth Warren either, so why would Obama give credit to someone who was also simply repeating the fundamental pro government argument for the last 50 years?

 

[TheVrolok]

Nobody on "the left" is trying to take credit for Anand's achievement; they're simply reminding the public that achievements like AnandTech don't come out of a vacuum.

In light of Obama's comments, let's analyze Anand's situation:

• From what I understand, he received his education in government-funded schools
• The electricity that his equipment requires is probably generated (at least in part) by government-funded power plants
• Manufacturers ship him equipment via freight carriers that rely on government-funded roads and airports
• The articles that Anand and his staff write are protected against unauthorized copying by government-enforced copyrights
• The computer network Anand uses to distribute his content relies on a government-managed network, which uses a government-built communications protocol
• Anand's technical writing requires his audience to be both literate and capable of analyzing the data within, skills that most people who read AnandTech will get from a public education
• Anand's income relies on the promises of advertisers to pay, which is enforced by government contract law

I'm sure I can go on. AnandTech (and by extension, Anand) absolutely relies on the services and infrastructure the government provides. This reliance is direct (in the case of roads, electricity, etc.), and indirect (in the case of past projects that have developed the technologies on which AnandTech relies), and this is exactly the message Obama attempted to convey. Obama's phrasing may have been awkward, but that doesn't make it any less correct.

This type of overt logic is frowned upon here at AT.

 

[peonyu]

It's not new with Elizabeth Warren either, so why would Obama give credit to someone who was also simply repeating the fundamental pro government argument for the last 50 years?

His so-called "speech" is nearly a line per line ripoff of what somebody else said 9 months ago. It doesn't matter if her speech was [in your opinion atleast] a summary of Government thought for the past 50 years, she still wrote it herself and used her own ideas. Obama is so lousy that he cant he even think for himself, he resorts to stealing someone else's entire speech. Its obvious the guy is a parrot and his speech writers tell him what to do, the only thing I believe he actually believed in was Obamacare...Beyond that ? Leave it up to the speech writers/speech theives, THEY will think of something for me to say!

 

[piasabird]

You need to read some books. Xerox PARC research projects were instrumental in building up the internet. The mouse, pointer device, ethernet and network printers all of that research and training came from Xerox PARC Research. The government research project leaders hired the engineers which worked for big companies that conducted research in these areas as well as from overseas.

This would be some good reading if you really want to know who these geniuses were that created the Internet:

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Wizards-...f+the+internet

If you think the phone company wanted to help arpanet to succeed you would be wrong. The Phone telecom business has always fought back against the development of networks and the Internet every step of the way. Please do some research.

 

[Phokus]

You need to read some books. Xerox PARC research projects were instrumental in building up the internet. The mouse, pointer device, ethernet and network printers all of that research and training came from Xerox PARC Research. The government research project leaders hired the engineers which worked for big companies that conducted research in these areas as well as from overseas.

This would be some good reading if you really want to know who these geniuses were that created the Internet:

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Wizards-...f+the+internet

If you think the phone company wanted to help arpanet to succeed you would be wrong. The Phone telecom business has always fought back against the development of networks and the Internet every step of the way. Please do some research.

For the last fucking time, none of that shit you mentioned is related to the 'internet'. The MOUSE? SERIOUSLY?

The 'internet' is layer 3 of the OSI stack. Not even ethernet is the 'internet'. How the hell are you on a technology forum when you don't even know these basic facts.

 

[michal1980]

As they say, you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Obama's speech never suggested that successful small businessmen made it to where they are because of a 'goverment [sic] handout'. (PS, maybe you should have used those government-provided resources, like schooling, to learn how to spell government and capitalize proper nouns, like Anand). Small businesses merely received help in that society created an environment in which the individual owners could excel through their own initiative and work.

The dull knives are the left, that failed at comprhending the english language. because Obama clearly said that if you have a small buisness "You did not build that".

But you obama brownnosers are working overtime to defend your god.

 

[michal1980]

This type of overt logic is frowned upon here at AT.

if only there was logic in that rant.

 

[michal1980]

Nobody on "the left" is trying to take credit for Anand's achievement; they're simply reminding the public that achievements like AnandTech don't come out of a vacuum.

In light of Obama's comments, let's analyze Anand's situation:

• From what I understand, he received his education in government-funded schools That hunderds of others used when Anand was there and they did not create anything like Anand
• The electricity that his equipment requires is probably generated (at least in part) by government-funded power plants And please tell me where goverment gets its money from? private citizens dumbass.
• Manufacturers ship him equipment via freight carriers that rely on government-funded roads and airports all of which are paid for by taxpayers not goverment
• The articles that Anand and his staff write are protected against unauthorized copying by government-enforced copyrights
• The computer network Anand uses to distribute his content relies on a government-managed network, which uses a government-built communications protocol
• Anand's technical writing requires his audience to be both literate and capable of analyzing the data within, skills that most people who read AnandTech will get from a public education
• Anand's income relies on the promises of advertisers to pay, which is enforced by government contract law

I'm sure I can go on. AnandTech (and by extension, Anand) absolutely relies on the services and infrastructure the government provides. This reliance is direct (in the case of roads, electricity, etc.), and indirect (in the case of past projects that have developed the technologies on which AnandTech relies), and this is exactly the message Obama attempted to convey. Obama's phrasing may have been awkward, but that doesn't make it any less correct.

Bla Bla Bla. Same only brownnoser liberal truth machine bullshit.

Goverment did not make anand. There was no directive your holiness the Obama to make anand, there was no goverment panel, no focus group, no blue ribbon committee, no debate, etc etc.

It was Anand working long hard hours, putting an idea into action, giving consumers a quality product, that earned him what he has today.


But you libs keep thinking you played a part in that. Keep trying to stand in Anands glow, keep trying to take credit for something you did not build. Because outside of your braindead group, you sound like idiots.

 

[Svnla]

As a minority with similar background as Anand and also a small business owner, I have to put in my pointers.

Anand worked very hard and took risk to build this site from the ground up. He did not party, knock up bitches and hoes, run into trouble with the law, and then blame his problems on whiteys/Bush/Republicans/The Pope/fill in the blank excuses. He gave up his time and other pleasures for years to make this business where it is right now.

The US is not perfect by any means but it surely has a lot of opportunities for anyone who is willing to take the risk, work very hard to make it. Be a dependent or ward of the government/state will not.

A bit off topic. That is why I am a strong supporter of take the best of the best people around the world to come here and help the US to build the next Google/Intel/high tech companies and not uneducated peasants.

 

[trenchfoot]

Person 1. - Hey, a cow just jumped over the moon.

Person 2. - You know, it doesn't matter if the moon was there or not.

 

[Abraxas]

Bla Bla Bla. Same only brownnoser liberal truth machine bullshit.

Goverment did not make anand. There was no directive your holiness the Obama to make anand, there was no goverment panel, no focus group, no blue ribbon committee, no debate, etc etc.

It was Anand working long hard hours, putting an idea into action, giving consumers a quality product, that earned him what he has today.


But you libs keep thinking you played a part in that. Keep trying to stand in Anands glow, keep trying to take credit for something you did not build. Because outside of your braindead group, you sound like idiots.

And the award for illiterate dumbfuck goes to... michal1980!

Nobody is trying to take the credit for what Anand did you loudmouthed, shitheaded, partisan shill of a protein stain. The point is, now, and has always been, that in order for individuals to achieve their maximum potential, they need to be in a system that promotes excellence. You will not find great writers in an illiterate society. You will not find great software engineers in a society without electricity. For people to reach their maximum potential, you need social order and infrastructure and technology, and that comes through society, both in the collected works of other individuals within the society and how that society is run. That Anand was talented and ambitious enough to make maximum use of society does not, as you and your brain damaged ilk imply, mean he could do it without society and without government.

The American system, the infrastructure and social state needed to make use of innovations like the internet comes from the society as a whole. No one individual makes creates a society that can read. No one individual creates a network of roadways and power lines and telecommunications lines.

A solid, working, advanced infrastructure is a necessary condition for the entrepreneurial spirit to flourish and to act like those responsible for that infrastructure had nothing to do with it is the exact same thing you are accusing the left of.

Obama actually put it pretty well, "when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together". That you would deny something so basic, so obvious, in the name of being a good little Republican drone tells me you should turn in your DNA to the nearest gene bank because you a clearly a waste of chromosomes.

 

[PingviN]

The dull knives are the left, that failed at comprhending the english language. because Obama clearly said that if you have a small buisness "You did not build that".

But you obama brownnosers are working overtime to defend your god.

We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

Obama clearly states that while you built your own business, you didn't build the infrastructure onto which it relies. If you have a small business, you did not build the roads. The internet. The education system.

If this is not obvious to you, then I'm afraid you're stupid.