Who bought/is buying a Radeon RX 470 or RX 460?

[krumme]

Got a 460 2g for a friend that plays a little rts on 1440. Was priced at 750ti level.

Got a 470 blower for own main rig until i can buy true 4k card. Was 960 4g price.

So both were damn cheap for their perf. Unlike 480 8g that seems overpriced vs 1060 6g if you can even get it. I guess amd is 480 supply constrained and everybody and his brother want 8g cards. I guess a part of amd recent success in marketshare is due to more ram.

460 2g and 470 4g seem really fine balanced for ram imo. I hope the rest of the world get the fine 460 and 470 prices soon. Nice low and mainstream cards at those price levels i paid.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I have been using the Sapphire 470 4GB blower in one of my systems for a month now. Paid for it with money made from another hobby, so basically free. I have it in a Thor V2 and it cannot be heard over the case fans 99.9 percent of the time, which I turn to max for gaming. If I am wearing a headset the issue is moot and mute. Using 2.1 I quickly tune out the sound of moving air the case fans make on full during quieter parts of games. Though I did have a momentarily bad experience after 4hrs+ of TW:Warhammer with the computer room door closed. The blower spun up for about 30 seconds a couple of times before ramping down. It immediately brought back memories of the infamous Nvidia FX 5800 Ultra hair dryer edition I owned bitd. Which is why buying the blower style card was a real gamble i.e. PTSD. It was the only thing in stock at the time, and I wanted a RX card. It has worked out well enough, though I would have sent it back if that hair dryer sound persisted for any length of time. As I like the 2.1 over headset sometimes, particularly since some fellow Anandtechers turned me on to how it improves the game experience in titles like Mad Max.

I have not bothered with WattMan as the default fan profile is a non issue, and, I am doing no OCing. Because I do not buy vid cards, I rent them, and I like to pass on primo condition parts. The most I will do with a card that has obvious headroom, is see what it will hit stable, then back to factory settings. This one appears to have little core, and nothing worthwhile ram. I will simply drop a setting or two should I need to improve gameplay smoothness.

Before the hot fix drivers I had another issue as well. After a long Warhammer session, when going back to desktop the colors for everything were completely borked, and required a reboot to resolve.

Off in left field: It is the smallest box I have had a vid card shipped in in a number of years. Even the 750 FTW I played around with had a significantly larger box. Sapphire is milking every extra penny they can out of this one.

 

[daxzy]

The only way to get a 460 at that price (better than that price actually) is to use a Jet.com coupon:

https://jet.com/product/Radeon-RX-460-2GB-GDDR5/977f97502a344771bd01752545a7a1ff

Unfortunately, I'm already a Jet.com member. They've sent me 10-15% off a few months back, but they've long since expired.

The cheapest 4G RX-460 is one on NE for around $130.

 

[krumme]

The blower 470 works ok for me. I dont know if its because i only do 1275 at low voltage. Would prefer blower next time also. Had a msi gaming 970 before and it didnt do so good in my node 304 inside a small closet with open doors while gaming.
Pretty damn small that 470 pcb btw and looks very cheap to make.
I have only played tf2 at 4k lol. I am not so sure i will get a new gfx. I dont really care so much for graphics any more. Lets hope bf1 changes my mind.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Unfortunately, I'm already a Jet.com member.

If you have another email address you can get another account. Just saying.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The blower 470 works ok for me. I dont know if its because i only do 1275 at low voltage. Would prefer blower next time also. Had a msi gaming 970 before and it didnt do so good in my node 304 inside a small closet with open doors while gaming.
Pretty damn small that 470 pcb btw and looks very cheap to make.
I have only played tf2 at 4k lol. I am not so sure i will get a new gfx. I dont really care so much for graphics any more. Lets hope bf1 changes my mind.

Please do share what you are getting away with undervolting. I would like to try it out on mine, and it would save me a lot of tweak time by having a good target to start with. Thanks for any help.

 

[krumme]

Please do share what you are getting away with undervolting. I would like to try it out on mine, and it would save me a lot of tweak time by having a good target to start with. Thanks for any help.

Well i really havnt tried anything except one setup , and it depends on your goals.

My target for temperature is high. 85 degrees - to keep fan rpm low and no throtling.
And i set goal for fanspeed at 3900 - though it never gets nearly as high.
power +25% (you might go 40% here)
Then those arent limiters.

My voltage is standard for reference 470 as i know - 1087mV
Frequency is plus 5% so 1275 (with that voltage i can go from 5-9%), only tried 5% that works and 10% that doesnt.
This setup gives no throtling what-so-ever even in a closet. A guess is 1100 would alow 10% perf and still have no throtling even after hours of gaming in the closet, and lowish power usage at the same time. I will try that next time.

rx 480 reference voltage is 1137 - and its safe to assume practically all 470 works at that frequency. I would think the voltage span goes from about 1030 to 1180, if you want to keep power lower.

The memory is 7GHz, will probably go to 7.5 but thats last step.

Again depends on your goals? (and do you have 8 or 6 pin power?)

 

[krumme]

Hmm. The 470 seems to be running 1340 (10% plus) at plain auto with power at plus 25%...

 

[krumme]

Ok. Played straight for one hour at 1340MHz at a meager 1087mV at power plus 25% (for this 470 sample).
Wouldnt run at say 1150mV at same freq !!
At the freq and lowish voltage its both a very fast and efficient card.
That imo tells a lot about the GF process then and just confirms:
RX 480 is voltaged to more or less the max.
So imo confirms there is process variantion and hiking up voltage is done to get yields as high as possible.
This is a gpu designed for 1130mV, yet runs faster at 1087. Damn. It looks straighforward with a respin of this and a just little more mature process to lower tdp for rx480/470 to say 100 and 130w tdp.
For now it seems for some lowering voltage migh to the solutions for others a little hike up, but surely its different from my prior cards.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Ok. Played straight for one hour at 1340MHz at a meager 1087mV at power plus 25% (for this 470 sample).
Wouldnt run at say 1150mV at same freq !!
At the freq and lowish voltage its both a very fast and efficient card.
That imo tells a lot about the GF process then and just confirms:
RX 480 is voltaged to more or less the max.
So imo confirms there is process variantion and hiking up voltage is done to get yields as high as possible.
This is a gpu designed for 1130mV, yet runs faster at 1087. Damn. It looks straighforward with a respin of this and a just little more mature process to lower tdp for rx480/470 to say 100 and 130w tdp.
For now it seems for some lowering voltage migh to the solutions for others a little hike up, but surely its different from my prior cards.

Thanks for the reports. I ended up looking around at what others were doing last night, and decided on a goal. Leave everything stock, and run it on as low a voltage as possible. It is stable at 980mV now. One more stress test and I will lower it more. Never manages the 1218MHz advertised though, always stops at 1211. Insignificant so no BFD.

 

[krumme]

Thanks for the reports. I ended up looking around at what others were doing last night, and decided on a goal. Leave everything stock, and run it on as low a voltage as possible. It is stable at 980mV now. One more stress test and I will lower it more. Never manages the 1218MHz advertised though, always stops at 1211. Insignificant so no BFD.

Its interesting. Absolutely confirm what i wrote. Its crazy its stable at 980mV and shows the process variation problems gf is having. Theese cards comes factory voltage oc out the gate. Enjoy your 95w tdp card. Lol.

 

[krumme]

Thanks for the reports. I ended up looking around at what others were doing last night, and decided on a goal. Leave everything stock, and run it on as low a voltage as possible. It is stable at 980mV now. One more stress test and I will lower it more. Never manages the 1218MHz advertised though, always stops at 1211. Insignificant so no BFD.

Those 980mV can mean another thing. Remember The Stilts curves for Elsemere:
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/new-zen-microarchitecture-details.2465645/page-93#post-38366723

Now. 1211 MHz on 980 is very good. The optimal perf/w is at 800mV as per the Stilt. Now it can be that those polaris is just made for mobile that would explain the behavior?

 

[funks]

I bought 4 Video Cards this Gen

GTX1070 for my Workstation (1440P)
GTX1070 for the VR Rig in the Living Room (Media Center / Oculus Rift)
RX470 for my Son's PC (1080P)
RX470 for my Son's other PC (1080P)

Both cards are the best deal price / perf wise..

 

[krumme]

I bought 4 Video Cards this Gen

GTX1070 for my Workstation (1440P)
GTX1070 for the VR Rig in the Living Room (Media Center / Oculus Rift)
RX470 for my Son's PC (1080P)
RX470 for my Son's other PC (1080P)

Both cards are the best deal price / perf wise..

Yep. Seems like the cards to get for those res.
How much is the Rift used?

 

[techne]

The prices are still hot here. I think I'll wait one month or two.