Who Are The "Elites"??

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flawlssdistortn

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: illustri
cwjerome

are you monetarily wealthy? is your family? lets settle all this once and for all.


Why is this important? Settle what?

I just loved the irony of his old icon (black dude w/dreads), and that combined with "jerome."
 

Pandaren

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And here is my response. Just so you know where I am coming from - I grew up in a conservative (mostly Republican) suburb and graduated from a very liberal University.

1) We're brilliant. Those that disagree (most people) are dumb, especially the ones in power... although the morons that elect them come pretty close.

I'm by all accounts more intelligent than average, but I wouldn't characterize myself as brilliant or genius. One of my friends is a very pro-Republican Christian, and I don't think he (or others like him) are dumb. They just have a different set of values. He told me that abortion is the only issue he votes on.

2) What morality? There is NO objective morality, but always remember we can do no wrong because there is no wrong unless we say so.

What is wrong with this? The citizens decide through the government what laws govern the conduct of our society. To have someone set objective morality for us tends towards communism and dictatorship and is repugnant to the western notion of a free society.

3) Religion is so 10th century. That whole 10 Commandments thing really cramps our style. Oh yeah, it's ok to be "spiritual" (but lose the religion ASAP).

Not everyone in the United States subscribes to the 10 Commandments. I personally don't think they are bad or anything, but governmental use of the 10 Commandments tends to make people of other faiths feel left out. Put yourself in the minority position and think about how you would feel.

4) Fly-over country. Let's face it, if you don't live on the coasts or a couple select communities, then what's the point? Our only experience with "them" is from watching "Raising Arizona"... and besides, they shop at Wal-Mart.

I'll judge people on who they are, not where they came from. The idea that someone is better because they came from NYC and not a small town in Kansas strikes me as silly. That's like judging someone on their sneakers (and I was always the kid with the least expensive sneakers).

5) Victims, Inc. We have pity on the oppressed (whether they're oppressed or not). We need them to need us.

And what is wrong with compassion? From what I have learned from my Christian friends one should do good works to help those in need.

6) Internationalism is fun. The world hates us and it's America's fault. We need to be more like France. The UN ROCKS!

I strongly believe in responsibility. Not all the problems in the world are America's fault, but we have done things that were plainly unjust (like proping up the Shah in Iran during the cold war even though he wasn't the democratically elected leader) and caused people to hate us. Other countries have done far worse, but this doesn't absolve us of responsibility.

I don't hate or love France. The UN is a debate forum and can't harm us. We do have a veto on the Security Council, which is pretty much the ace in the hole.

Your generalizations just dont' have a lot of substance. I could make generalizations about Red-state people and Conservative Christian Right Wing Fundamentalists but they would invariably be as ridiculous as your statements.
 

sandorski

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Neither Politics or News. Merely ones' ego exposing the same self-importance that has already been duly noted. Lock.
 

PatboyX

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but isnt dismissle of a person as "elite" equally as terrible as their transgressions against the non-elites?
 

Gaard

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Actually this is a pretty good idea. Start a thread to bash those on the other side of the political spectrum. Of course cleverly (or not) masking it so it doesn't get locked.

Hey Dave, make a thread explaining what RRR's are (or whatever those intials are)? Can we make a thread describing what YABA's are? How about CAD start a thread explaing what an apologist is?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Actually this is a pretty good idea. Start a thread to bash those on the other side of the political spectrum. Of course cleverly (or not) masking it so it doesn't get locked.

Hey Dave, make a thread explaining what RRR's are (or whatever those intials are)? Can we make a thread describing what YABA's are? How about CAD start a thread explaing what an apologist is?

Well I didn't come up with RRR but I did come up with FLL.


 

cwjerome

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Pandaren, so the jist of your post is, "I'm not an Elitist therefore none exist?" Or what?

Real quick-
#1 "They just have a different set of values." Wow. That's a really good attitude, although for many it comes down to "those people are evil" or "those people are dumb." Different values and principles? Never! If they don't agree with me they are evil or dumb...
#2 Actually the US was founded on universals
#3 10 Commandments was a sarcastic comment of their general disdain for religion, not a literal example to run with.
#4 OK, sounds good... other people tend to dwell on those icky red-staters
#5 You forgot the "whether they're oppressed or not" part. There's nothing compasionate about fostering division and pain, so you have perpetually disenfranchised groups to pad your political base and push your agendas.
#6 Maybe YOU don't have the "In Kofi We Trust" mentality, but.....

The bottom line is there's a certain type of people. I have identified and labeled them. My position is they are a threat. What's the real problem here? Let's cut through the bullsh*t... is it because people are angry that I'm exposing a group that they are aligned with, or that makes them look bad? Are you saying I'm wrong and such people are not real? Or that they aren't a threat? Cut to the chase.

EDIT: grammar...
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Actually this is a pretty good idea. Start a thread to bash those on the other side of the political spectrum.

Isn't that the point of all of cwjerome's posts? He puts in so much bull and writes so poorly he hides the flames pretty well though...

 

gopunk

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as a poster in the UN thread, i'd just like to point out that the issue was never whether you could define such a group... the issue is whether or not such a group even exists. anybody can just make up a group.
 

flawlssdistortn

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Nah he's a good writer, admit it. I mean some of the bs he puts forth just sounds so good, hell sometimes I've come close to buying it myself. You know he could be dangerous if he got on the radio...
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
Nah he's a good writer, admit it. I mean some of the bs he puts forth just sounds so good, hell sometimes I've come close to buying it myself. You know he could be dangerous if he got on the radio...

I'll agree, he's good with words. But as we say in electrical engineering, his signal to noise ratio is a little low.
 

Rainsford

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cwjerome, it's not that we don't get who you are talking about when you talk about the "elites", it's that we're not sure what the whole point is. You've certainly defined your term, great, but who cares? You made it up, and you defined it independent of actual people to put into the group (or very limited numbers of such people), then bitch about your made up group. And when you do attempt to link it to actual people, you inevitably make the term way too broad, catching all liberals in the "elite" catagory.

I think you have this backwards, you created a term, defined it, THEN attempt to make everything you see fit it. The intelligent approach would seem to be to observe and catagorize when possible. Your overly broad application of what is (as you defined it) a very narrow catagory clearly suggests you have not taken the intelligent approach. It's a more wordy and faux intellectual version of calling all conservatives "Bible humpers" or something similar.
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
Nah he's a good writer, admit it. I mean some of the bs he puts forth just sounds so good, hell sometimes I've come close to buying it myself. You know he could be dangerous if he got on the radio...

I'll agree, he's good with words. But as we say in electrical engineering, his signal to noise ratio is a little low.

i'm siding with infohawk... the term "affected" comes to mind, re: writing style.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
DealMonkey: Put your dictionary up, you're arguing something that's irrelavant. For the last time, I'm not using Webster's definition when I use that word... I'm "borrowing" the word for my own concept which I defined in the OP. OK? I'm not wasting any more time trying to explain that to you, so thanks for playing, buh-bye.
So you're taking a REAL word and then MAKING UP a definition for it? Am I the only one around here saying WTF?!? I can't be, simply look at your responses thus far.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: cwjerome
DealMonkey: Put your dictionary up, you're arguing something that's irrelavant. For the last time, I'm not using Webster's definition when I use that word... I'm "borrowing" the word for my own concept which I defined in the OP. OK? I'm not wasting any more time trying to explain that to you, so thanks for playing, buh-bye.
So you're taking a REAL word and then MAKING UP a definition for it? Am I the only one around here saying WTF?!? I can't be, simply look at your responses thus far.

:laugh::thumbsup:

cwjerome, the only "elite" here is you.
 

wylecoyote

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Eh? I think you typoed on your syntax in that last post Condor.

As for this flame post... There's no use talking to someone who has contemptuous ideologies fused into their brain. Conversation or debate is not possible for them. Frankly, cwjerome is going to go on believing whatever he's been fed, making flamebait generalizations, etc., no matter what any liberal says.

What he may or may not realize is that he sure as sh!t isn't changing our views.

 

slyedog

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So you're taking a REAL word and then MAKING UP a definition for it? Am I the only one around here saying WTF?!? I can't be, simply look at your responses thus far.
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look at who the responses are comming from
 

Hayabusa Rider

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1 The LORD sent Nathan to David. When he came to him, he said, "There were two men in a certain town, one rich and the other poor. 2 The rich man had a very large number of sheep and cattle, 3 but the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up with him and his children. It shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms. It was like a daughter to him.
4 "Now a traveler came to the rich man, but the rich man refrained from taking one of his own sheep or cattle to prepare a meal for the traveler who had come to him. Instead, he took the ewe lamb that belonged to the poor man and prepared it for the one who had come to him."

5 David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, "As surely as the LORD lives, the man who did this deserves to die! 6 He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity."

7 Then Nathan said to David, "You are the man!

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These pseudo Conservatives are the man indeed.
 

Caminetto

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And the fox declared that he did not care that he could not reach the attractive bunch of grapes because he imagined they were probably sour.
 

Pandaren

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I think if you actually talked to so-called "Elitists" in person, they are neither as arrogant or as threatening as you immagine.

My problem again is that you are constantly demonizing people you haven't met.

I've encountered this attitude before in college. There were a certain group of radical students (members of the Communist and Socialist parties) that continually insisted 1) White people are all oppresors 2) The Middle Class = evil oppressors. They just wanted a target to kick around so they created this idea of "white middle class evil oppressors" and continually bashed them in the student newspaper.

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Pandaren, so the jist of your post is, "I'm not an Elitist therefore none exist?" Or what?
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The bottom line is there's a certain type of people. I have identified and labeled them. My position is they are a threat. What's the real problem here? Let's cut through the bullsh*t... is it because people are angry that I'm exposing a group that they are aligned with, or that makes them look bad? Are you saying I'm wrong and such people are not real? Or that they aren't a threat? Cut to the chase.

EDIT: grammar...

 

BarneyFife

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I learned what "elite" was during a political science course a few years back. I'm not sure why he thinks he can take a word and make up his own defintion and make it sound like fact. Let me leave a little hint, George Bush is considered Elite.