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Lifer
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Let me be the first to say it: STFU and enjoy your vacation.

I use both AMD and Intel and to the normal person there is NO difference except the name of the chip.
 
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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Wanescotting
Who agree with me that Intel sucks and over the years everyone will switch to AMD
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Also, while you are the aforementioned vacation, learn proper grammer.
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LOL...pot meet kettle :).

j\k
 
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Duvie

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Enough with the spelling and grammar lessons....Back to the moron at hand!!!


I disagree... I think AMD will become a stronger competitor and suck up a lot of previously held INtel marketshare, but i think IBM is going to enter the market and we may have a three way race here....Heck AMD wouldn't be where it is at right now without IBM!!! IBM has to realize they are the brains behind a lot of the cpu power out there today...
 
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amol

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Jul 8, 2001
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intel just had a bad 2004, they are still a stronger competitor than amd :roll:
 
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canadageek

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maybe, but all the technology intel has can be and is used by amd, and vice versa. they just use different methods to achieve the same ends.
look at american cars...giant engines, huge fuel consumption, VS imports, which have small, even tiny engines (exceptions are on both sides, for sure) the imports consume half as much as some domestics, but they still get you to the store and back, don't they? this is where the argument between AMD and Intel becomes moot. the performance difference between them is not huge, so what's the big deal?
 
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Chesebert

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Oct 16, 2001
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I agree with the IBM re-entering the market, although probably not PC market...Even that does not mean IBM will not make money from the PC market. I was working on the original Athlon chip when I was at IBM...few years back, and I would not be suprised if IBM has assisted in the design/development/layout of the A64 line of products. And I would not be suprised to find out IBM is making money off the AMD sales.
 
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bradley

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Intel is just too firmly entrenched where it counts for their marketshare to erode so quickly; it's going to take years, not months. But certainly, one has to admit, AMD is really starting to enjoy the fruits of their labor. I'd even say Intel's decision to take a brute-force approach is starting to hurt them, while AMDs elegant efficiency is increasingly relevant.

But guess what? As consumers, we must hope Intel is able to get back on track. Otherwise, without fierce competition from both AMD & Intel, you can expect the timing of price decreases and technology increases to slow down..... considerably. :(
 
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Chesebert

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Originally posted by: bradley
Intel is just too firmly entrenched where it counts for their marketshare to erode so quickly; it's going to take years, not months. But certainly, one has to admit, AMD is really starting to enjoy the fruits of their labor. I'd even say Intel's decision to take a brute-force approach is starting to hurt them, while AMDs elegant efficiency is increasingly relevant.

But guess what? As consumers, we must hope Intel is able to get back on track. Otherwise, without fierce competition from both AMD & Intel, you can expect the timing of price decreases and technology increases to slow down..... considerably. :(
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Actually, correct me if I am wrong, Intel is one with the elegant approach, and AMD has the brute force approach. :)

AMD's current product line A64 is a rehash of the old Athlon, which incorporates the same design philosophy as Pentium3, Pentium 2 and Pentium Pro :) now that s a long way back. IIRC, they all have pretty much the same stuff, IF, trnaslate (CISC -> RISC), decode, OOO engine and executiion engin, follow by a some type of reording buffer and a write. now they can slice and dice to any stage they want, but its pretty much the same design way way way back.

Pentium 4, on the other hand, is a totally different beast, its a new design, fresh, never been done before, intersting, and their thread level parallel procesing (HT) is just wicked cool. uops, super super long pipline (how did they route that thing?), OOO engine that are based on uops and their simple ALU does 2 cycles per clock...how did they manage to track all that? And I think thier ILP and TLP are very well implemented.

personally I have A64. their on-die memory controller is what gives those super fast framerates in games :)

 
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stevty2889

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Dec 13, 2003
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AMD would need a lot more fabs, before they could take much more market share. And you never know what Intel can pull out of it's sleave, with such a large research and development budget. In any case, I think AMD is doing a good job with their designs, and hope they keep it up for compations sake.
 
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Markfw

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Chesebert, no The Athlon64 IS a different design, the aforementioned on-die memory controller is new AND HTT ! (hypertransport)
 
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Chesebert

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
Chesebert, no The Athlon64 IS a different design, the aforementioned on-die memory controller is new AND HTT ! (hypertransport)
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New design? how new can these design be? this stuff was "invented" back in the 70s and 80s and ppl just got around to implment them now days for PC... A64 is pretty much a rehashed Athlon. sure they added more execution units, longer and larger and x way asoociated history table, they made the OOO engine smarter (I doubt it though, probalby is still reservation station based and follows one of the very well known alg for assigning reservation stations...been there done that kinda feeling). I have not seen anything exciting in PC based archit for a while now. P4 was an exception ofcourse. now PS2 CPU arch was a marvel of engineering feat. SIMD at its finest :)

memory refresh IIRC: HTT is not new ... IBM had that year ago its called corse thread level parallel design. although I think intel's impl is a lot slicker :) Didn't alpha had something in the pipeline later was canned that is a deriv of HTT? I assume it's still the same reservation station now with some process ID embedded. really neat stuff.. easy on paper..tough in VLSI though, nitmare to rout...LOL

something to think about: Pentium 3 at 2.6Ghz with 1MB L2 cache, and ondie mem controller ... ;)




 
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Chesebert

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HTT (hypertransport) is not part of the CPU arch. its interconnect bus design. I don't really care for that :)
 
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CraigRT

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Originally posted by: Intelfanboy
Originally posted by: RadeonGuy
Who agree with me that Intel sucks and over the years everyone will switch to AMD
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I DONT AGREE! :thumbsdown:
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haha :)

Intel is needed for AMD to thrive, for one thing. If it wasn't for Intel pushing some decent product, AMD's would probably still suck. I still do prefer an A64 over a P4, but meh, the company is definitely still bigger than AMD and still needs to be around for healthy competition between the 2.
 
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