White NY cop shoots and kills black NY cop BY ACCIDENT

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski

Too much reading between the lines. Paranoia is destructive.

:roll:


More like too much head in the sand? Or you see the race baiting title, you just feel like debating for the sake of debating?

?? Title is 100% accurate. I think you should ask youself those questions, because from where I stand you are describing yourself.

Again, you are debating the accuracy, instead of the implications made by including the race of the parties involved.

Although it pains me to say it, you are not stupid, so dont pretend to be.

I assume you are not Stupid either. It's not as if Black men getting shot accidently by Cops is a new thing. Race is entirely relevant.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski

Too much reading between the lines. Paranoia is destructive.

:roll:


More like too much head in the sand? Or you see the race baiting title, you just feel like debating for the sake of debating?

?? Title is 100% accurate. I think you should ask youself those questions, because from where I stand you are describing yourself.

Again, you are debating the accuracy, instead of the implications made by including the race of the parties involved.

Although it pains me to say it, you are not stupid, so dont pretend to be.

I assume you are not Stupid either. It's not as if Black men getting shot accidently by Cops is a new thing. Race is entirely relevant.

I'm pretty sure white men have been shot by cops accidentally too, the difference is we don't remember it because we don't make a big deal about race when it happens.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
No, I think they are trying hard to point out that this is NOT A RACE CRIME, despite what the OP wants to make it seem like. This was an accident. From what I gather, the suspect was black, probably looked similar to the cop that got shot. I am by no means defending the cop, they have itchy trigger fingers and fucking suck at their job probably, but I HIGHLY doubt race had anything to do with this. If the cop was white and the suspect was white I would guess the same thing would have happened.

Again it is not an accident. The gun didn't go off on accident, the cop intended to shoot and kill the victim.

You have no idea if the officer shoot because of race issues.

The accident was that he killed the wrong person. That's like saying a car accident isn't an accident because the steering wheel doesn't turn itself into another car.


You're right, I do not know that he didn't shoot this cop because he was a black man he just wanted to kill. But by that same token, you don't know that he did because of those reasons. With that said, to assume either way is silly. You can't just ASSUME everything that involves a white person and a black person is a racist action.

If the intent was to drive your car into another car then it wasn't an accident. If you intent was to shoot a person then it wasn't an accident.

 

[n yusef]

I don't think anyone thinks that the white cop shot him because he hates black people. But, it's very possible that the cop saw a black man with a gun, and may have treated him differently than he would have treated a white guy with a gun. He may have been less likely to believe the black man if he told him "I'm a cop." This prejudice may have informed the shooting. I'm sure that there are black cops who hold the same racial prejudices against black men.

If you read this forum, posters frequently write about how violent and dangerous black men are. They don't go around shooting every black person they see, but I can definitely imagine a few AT posters being more likely to mistakenly shoot a black man than a white man. Was this shooting racially motivated? Probably not. Was the shooting enabled by race? Perhaps.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
No, I think they are trying hard to point out that this is NOT A RACE CRIME, despite what the OP wants to make it seem like. This was an accident. From what I gather, the suspect was black, probably looked similar to the cop that got shot. I am by no means defending the cop, they have itchy trigger fingers and fucking suck at their job probably, but I HIGHLY doubt race had anything to do with this. If the cop was white and the suspect was white I would guess the same thing would have happened.

Again it is not an accident. The gun didn't go off on accident, the cop intended to shoot and kill the victim.

You have no idea if the officer shoot because of race issues.

The accident was that he killed the wrong person. That's like saying a car accident isn't an accident because the steering wheel doesn't turn itself into another car.


You're right, I do not know that he didn't shoot this cop because he was a black man he just wanted to kill. But by that same token, you don't know that he did because of those reasons. With that said, to assume either way is silly. You can't just ASSUME everything that involves a white person and a black person is a racist action.

If the intent was to drive your car into another car then it wasn't an accident. If you intent was to shoot a person then it wasn't an accident.

Fair enough, bad example. But the point remains, he shot the wrong person. That was the accident. I'm sure if he knew the man he was shooting was the wrong man, he would not have shot. That's my point.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: n yusef
I don't think anyone thinks that the white cop shot him because he hates black people. But, it's very possible that the cop saw a black man with a gun, and may have treated him differently than he would have treated a white guy with a gun. He may have been less likely to believe the black man if he told him "I'm a cop." This prejudice may have informed the shooting. I'm sure that there are black cops who hold the same racial prejudices against black men.

If you read this forum, posters frequently write about how violent and dangerous black men are. They don't go around shooting every black person they see, but I can definitely imagine a few AT posters being more likely to mistakenly shoot a black man than a white man. Was this shooting racially motivated? Probably not. Was the shooting enabled by race? Perhaps.

yup, pretty much sums it up.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
No, I think they are trying hard to point out that this is NOT A RACE CRIME, despite what the OP wants to make it seem like. This was an accident. From what I gather, the suspect was black, probably looked similar to the cop that got shot. I am by no means defending the cop, they have itchy trigger fingers and fucking suck at their job probably, but I HIGHLY doubt race had anything to do with this. If the cop was white and the suspect was white I would guess the same thing would have happened.

Again it is not an accident. The gun didn't go off on accident, the cop intended to shoot and kill the victim.

You have no idea if the officer shoot because of race issues.

The accident was that he killed the wrong person. That's like saying a car accident isn't an accident because the steering wheel doesn't turn itself into another car.


You're right, I do not know that he didn't shoot this cop because he was a black man he just wanted to kill. But by that same token, you don't know that he did because of those reasons. With that said, to assume either way is silly. You can't just ASSUME everything that involves a white person and a black person is a racist action.

If the intent was to drive your car into another car then it wasn't an accident. If you intent was to shoot a person then it wasn't an accident.

Fair enough, bad example. But the point remains, he shot the wrong person. That was the accident. I'm sure if he knew the man he was shooting was the wrong man, he would not have shot. That's my point.

It wasn't the wrong man he shoot the person he was aiming at. Well 2 out of 6 shoots anyways. An accident would have been the way police traditionally shoot other cops in a circular firing squad. The target would be the suspect but they end up shooting each other.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
My title is absolutely accurate and factual. It's not sensationalistic or misleading in any way.

It is sensational. You could have said, NY cop shoots and kills another NY cop.
It gives the exact same information needed. You had to include race because you want to bait and insinuate that White cops are racists.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
My title is absolutely accurate and factual. It's not sensationalistic or misleading in any way.

It is sensational. You could have said, NY cop shoots and kills another NY cop.
It gives the exact same information needed. You had to include race because you want to bait and insinuate that White cops are racists.

Fail

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
My title is absolutely accurate and factual. It's not sensationalistic or misleading in any way.

It is sensational. You could have said, NY cop shoots and kills another NY cop.
It gives the exact same information needed. You had to include race because you want to bait and insinuate that White cops are racists.

So why is the fact that victim was a cop relevant when the officer doing the shooting didn't know that but the officer did know his victim was black?

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
My title is absolutely accurate and factual. It's not sensationalistic or misleading in any way.

It is sensational. You could have said, NY cop shoots and kills another NY cop.
It gives the exact same information needed. You had to include race because you want to bait and insinuate that White cops are racists.

Fail

And thus the brilliance of it - you can bend and spin factual language to suit an agenda, but nobody can prove it 100% beyond doubt.

 

[mugs]

The sad fact is that a black cop probably would have shot him too. And if the suspect was white, maybe he wouldn't have gotten shot at all. If you want to make this about race, the real issue is that people of all races assume black people are criminals, and the only way that's going to change is if black people stop committing crimes at disproportionately high rates. A big cause of that problem is that black people are very often poor, and they have very low social mobility relative to other races. Black people are born poor and they die poor. The government has tried to do its part to change that through affirmative action and spending money on education, but until there is a change from within there will be no real improvement.

Bill Cosby was right.

Edit: Sorry to interrupt your discussion of whether the title is appropriate by offering a worthwhile comment

 

[Udgnim]

what I don't understand is how these officers didn't know each other

they seem to be doing the exact same thing with being plain clothes officers patrolling housing projects

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Udgnim
what I don't understand is how these officers didn't know each other

they seem to be doing the exact same thing with being plain clothes officers patrolling housing projects

I suspect NY City has of thousands of Police. Kind of difficult to know that many people.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Give me a break guys, stop looking too much into the title. If it read, "Black cop shoots White cop" everyone in this thread would have the reverse opinion. People would still call it racist, but the roles would be switched. It's not racist, get over it.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
My title is absolutely accurate and factual. It's not sensationalistic or misleading in any way.

It is sensational. You could have said, NY cop shoots and kills another NY cop.
It gives the exact same information needed. You had to include race because you want to bait and insinuate that White cops are racists.

So why is the fact that victim was a cop relevant when the officer doing the shooting didn't know that but the officer did know his victim was black?

DO you think he would have shot him if he knew he was a cop?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

There was nothing trolling about my title. The problem was with those who read something into it. I do not appreciate the edit. Lock this thread if you want, but edit my title back. Thank you.

 

[DukeN]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05...ml?partner=rss&emc=rss

A New York City police officer who had just gotten off duty was fatally shot late Thursday in East Harlem by a fellow officer who mistook him for an armed criminal, Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said.

The officer who was killed, Omar J. Edwards, 25, a two-year veteran who was assigned to patrol housing projects and was wearing plain clothes, was shot in the arm and chest after a team of three other plainclothes officers in a car came upon him chasing a man on East 125th Street between First and Second Avenues with his gun drawn, Mr. Kelly said.

The team?s members, assigned to the anticrime unit in the 25th Precinct, got out of their vehicle and confronted Officer Edwards. The police were investigating whether the officers had identified themselves or demanded that Officer Edwards drop his weapon before one of them opened fire.

Mr. Kelly identified the officer who fired the shots only as a four-year veteran of the department, and said he had fired six rounds from his 9-millimeter Glock. Two bullets struck Officer Edwards.

Officer Edwards, a recently married father of two from Brooklyn, was taken to Harlem Hospital Center, where he was pronounced dead at 11:21 p.m. No one else was injured.

First of all, this is tragic. Second, cops have itchy trigger fingers. Third, fingers seem to get even more itchy around black suspects. Fourth, the shooting officer only hits 2 out of six shots putting even more people at risk. Fifth, the two other officers didn't see fit to fire at all.

Sixth, cops typically shoot to kill and not wound so they are not liable in court of law for long term healthcare/disability costs.

That plus power-trippiness of cops = terrible results on the other end.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Way to race bait and jump to conclusions.


Stay classy :thumbsup:

Did someone say, classy

 

[Ackmed]

What a retarded topic, and a terrible try at trolling.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
There was nothing trolling about my title. The problem was with those who read something into it. I do not appreciate the edit. Lock this thread if you want, but edit my title back. Thank you.

:laugh: Why would you care if the title was edited if you weren't trying to make a point with the title? All of your posts in this thread have been about the title. The problem is not with the people who read something into the title, because obviously you were trying to make a point. You don't even seem to want to discuss the incident beyond the appropriateness of your title, so maybe your thread should be locked.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Because I used a title that was I feel was appropriate and I don't like the edited title beside my name, basically attributed to me apart from the mod note. And nearly every post in this damn thread has been about the title. I'd love for the title not be the dominant issue, but that's not on me. I made no secret that I think the race was relevant in this incident, the problem was with the folks who assumed it was more relevant than my title suggests.

You know, if anyone has a counterpoint to say, cops shooting an inordinate number of black suspects, they are welcome to state it instead of just shouting "trolling."

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
You know, if anyone has a counterpoint to say, cops shooting an inordinate number of black suspects, they are welcome to state it instead of just shouting "trolling."

I did comment on that.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: n yusef
I don't think anyone thinks that the white cop shot him because he hates black people. But, it's very possible that the cop saw a black man with a gun, and may have treated him differently than he would have treated a white guy with a gun. He may have been less likely to believe the black man if he told him "I'm a cop." This prejudice may have informed the shooting. I'm sure that there are black cops who hold the same racial prejudices against black men.

If you read this forum, posters frequently write about how violent and dangerous black men are. They don't go around shooting every black person they see, but I can definitely imagine a few AT posters being more likely to mistakenly shoot a black man than a white man. Was this shooting racially motivated? Probably not. Was the shooting enabled by race? Perhaps.

Perhaps is the key. Perhaps not. You are assuming thinks and making this into a racial issue based on your assumptions. That's bullshit in my opinion. There are plenty of racist things that happen in this world that you can call racist on. But this is not one of them. The more the boy cries wolf, the less likely to be believed when there really is a wolf. That's what happens on these boards. Wolf is cried all the F'n time so when you really have a case, everyone is in defensive modes because of previous wolves.

 

[FuzzyBee]

If the cops didn't carry guns, this wouldn't have happened.