White men have distorted body image, Harvard Study finds

[yhelothar]

white guys here are just trying to defend themselves now 😛
Yep I find this article true. I went to a predominately asian high school(60% asian 30% white), and high honors was something that was looked up to. The popular people would be the ones with multiple honor classes and involved in many clubs and extra-cirriculars.

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: SSmaro
btw, i'm black so dont' accuse me of bias.

:laugh:

DIAF.

 

[m4ch0dude]

Originally posted by: SSmaro
btw, i'm black so dont' accuse me of bias.

I kinda had a hint that you were. But nobody's accusing you. BTW, welcome to ATOT 😎

 

[Nikamichi]

....

 

[SSmaro]

I will repeat again.

The article is correct in the sense that most women prefer some kind of "david beckham" type of body.. which is one that muscular asian men have and is very close to the asian ideal.

Now david beckham is lean yet muscular, this is what women want, not a bodybuilding look.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
white guys here are just trying to defend themselves now 😛
Yep I find this article true. I went to a predominately asian high school(60% asian 30% white), and high honors was something that was looked up to. The popular people would be the ones with multiple honor classes and involved in many clubs and extra-cirriculars.

The same is true for my school, which was very very predominantly white. Go figure.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: m4ch0dude


Well, I do agree that men overestimate the importance of looks, but then again, women don't really know what they want either. I'm sure you've all heard the "nice, sensitive guy" story, and then the next thing you know the b!tch is hooking up with some ape from the bar. But, that's a whole other topic for you.

Heh ironic your handle is m4ch0dude.
Different girls have different tastes. Not all girls like intellects and many like big and buff dudes that are outlaw bikers and ex-convicts.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: SSmaro
why all the flaming? I posted a study by the most prestigious intellectual institution in the world. There is no disputing it.

It's well known that asians emphasize skill over brawn. Asian women also follow this principle. Why else do you think that all the asian girls who date white people prefer nerdy, lanky ones, instead of the jocks?

I have noticed too that asian men have overall less complexes about their self image than western men do. the study is correct in the sense that white men have been burned out by the advent of feminism.

No one is disputing the article. I have no doubt that the women in the study said they wanted a man of average build. But women don't know what they want. All other attributes being equal women are going to choose the muscular guy over the skinny guy more often than not, and neither you or anybody else, PhD, Gandhi, or even Jesus himself is going to tell me otherwise.

 

[SSmaro]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: SSmaro

well if you follow the olympics, asians are some of the best at sports all around. If you follow combative sports like ultimate fighting, boxing, wrestling, asians are very dominant, yet you don't see the steroid abuse among them.

I would say that asians dominate fighting sports (which are the most masculine of all sports) yet they use no roids.

Really? I'd love to see an Asian in the boxing ring with a Westerner.

:laugh:

You see this is where your ignorance comes in. If you follow fighting sports you will see that asians dominate it. Look at the olympics, asians got the majority of the medals in the combat sports.

Are you japanese? IF you are I'm surprised you haven't heard or Pride, the biggest free fight promotion in the world.

japan has 4 #1 fighters out of 7 weight classes in the sport of MMA. I would call that dominating.

also.. I'm sure you've heard of muhammad ali right? Well he did fight an asian man in antonio inoki and it ended his career.

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: Wallydraigle

Originally posted by: SSmaro
why all the flaming? I posted a study by the most prestigious intellectual institution in the world. There is no disputing it.

It's well known that asians emphasize skill over brawn. Asian women also follow this principle. Why else do you think that all the asian girls who date white people prefer nerdy, lanky ones, instead of the jocks?

I have noticed too that asian men have overall less complexes about their self image than western men do. the study is correct in the sense that white men have been burned out by the advent of feminism.

No one is disputing the article. I have no doubt that the women in the study said they wanted a man of average build. But women don't know what they want. All other attributes being equal women are going to choose the muscular guy over the skinny guy more often than not, and neither you or anybody else, PhD, Gandhi, or even Jesus himself is going to tell me otherwise.

:thumbsup:

EDIT bump?

 

[SSmaro]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
white guys here are just trying to defend themselves now 😛
Yep I find this article true. I went to a predominately asian high school(60% asian 30% white), and high honors was something that was looked up to. The popular people would be the ones with multiple honor classes and involved in many clubs and extra-cirriculars.

The same is true for my school, which was very very predominantly white. Go figure.

no. asians value education more than whites. In america, east asians are 2% of the population, 40% of the top 20 universities.

Asian IQs, SATs are always 1 std. deviation higher than whites.

48% of asian americanas have a degree compared to 20% of whites.

 

[m4ch0dude]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: m4ch0dude


Well, I do agree that men overestimate the importance of looks, but then again, women don't really know what they want either. I'm sure you've all heard the "nice, sensitive guy" story, and then the next thing you know the b!tch is hooking up with some ape from the bar. But, that's a whole other topic for you.

Heh ironic your handle is m4ch0dude.
Different girls have different tastes. Not all girls like intellects and many like big and buff dudes that are outlaw bikers and ex-convicts.

HAHAH - I didnt say I was a nice guy, but I dont consider myself an ape either. I happen to be buff, I just didnt get to the ex-convict stage yet.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: SSmaro

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
white guys here are just trying to defend themselves now 😛
Yep I find this article true. I went to a predominately asian high school(60% asian 30% white), and high honors was something that was looked up to. The popular people would be the ones with multiple honor classes and involved in many clubs and extra-cirriculars.

The same is true for my school, which was very very predominantly white. Go figure.

no. asians value education more than whites. In america, east asians are 2% of the population, 40% of the top 20 universities.

Asian IQs, SATs are always 1 std. deviation higher than whites.

48% of asian americanas have a degree compared to 20% of whites.

Your post had absolutely nothing to do with my comment.

 

[m4ch0dude]

Originally posted by: Wallydraigle

Originally posted by: SSmaro
why all the flaming? I posted a study by the most prestigious intellectual institution in the world. There is no disputing it.

It's well known that asians emphasize skill over brawn. Asian women also follow this principle. Why else do you think that all the asian girls who date white people prefer nerdy, lanky ones, instead of the jocks?

I have noticed too that asian men have overall less complexes about their self image than western men do. the study is correct in the sense that white men have been burned out by the advent of feminism.

No one is disputing the article. I have no doubt that the women in the study said they wanted a man of average build. But women don't know what they want. All other attributes being equal women are going to choose the muscular guy over the skinny guy more often than not, and neither you or anybody else, PhD, Gandhi, or even Jesus himself is going to tell me otherwise.

That what I'm trying to tell these guys - women don't know what they want. The last thing you wanna do is ask a woman advice about women.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Are you trying to say something?

Yes, he's trying to tell us that white men don't know what women REALLY want for a perfect male companion while asians DO(intellect > muscle bulk)

That doesn't sound right. I don't think it has much to do with intellect, as most women would go for a muscular male than a lean, pale-looking one. This article also doesn't take into consideration the disparity in the diets that a white male and asian male would partake in his country.

Because this has nothing to do with diets. This is just what men think women want. This study has been replicated dozens of times before, and it's always the same. Men think women want bigger men than they estimated... and women thinks men want skinnier women than they thought. The only difference here is that they compared what white and asian males think.

 

[Trygve]

Originally posted by: m4ch0dude
Well, I do agree that men overestimate the importance of looks, but then again, women don't really know what they want either. I'm sure you've all heard the "nice, sensitive guy" story, and then the next thing you know the b!tch is hooking up with some ape from the bar. But, that's a whole other topic for you.

Hmmmm...based on the women I've known over the years, I don't think it would be *possible* to overestimate the importance of looks. I think you've got a whole lot more guys walking around trying to convince themselves that women are "less visual" while the women in question are busily checking out other guys' butts (and other body parts).

But, you're right--an amazing number of women will state that they "don't like guys with muscles." I hear it all the time. However, try going out wearing a pair of tight jeans and a shiny, form-fitting shirt and see how they treat you when it's in the flesh instead of on paper. I gotta tell ya, it's more fun than taking a survey. 😉

 

[SSmaro]

Originally posted by: m4ch0dude

Originally posted by: Wallydraigle

Originally posted by: SSmaro
why all the flaming? I posted a study by the most prestigious intellectual institution in the world. There is no disputing it.

It's well known that asians emphasize skill over brawn. Asian women also follow this principle. Why else do you think that all the asian girls who date white people prefer nerdy, lanky ones, instead of the jocks?

I have noticed too that asian men have overall less complexes about their self image than western men do. the study is correct in the sense that white men have been burned out by the advent of feminism.

That what I'm trying to tell these guys - women don't know what they want. The last thing you wanna do is ask a woman advice about women.

what do you mean they dont' know what they want? This study took women randomly from a selected population and asked them in anonymity what kind of body type they preferred.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
white guys here are just trying to defend themselves now 😛
Yep I find this article true. I went to a predominately asian high school(60% asian 30% white), and high honors was something that was looked up to. The popular people would be the ones with multiple honor classes and involved in many clubs and extra-cirriculars.

The same is true for my school, which was very very predominantly white. Go figure.

Well, i'm assuming you also live in NA? In that case, it's not surprising, since NA is predominantly white as well. But take the percentage of asians in America, and then take the % of asians in universities... and what do you see?

 

[SSmaro]

hahah.. it seems most of you guys haven't even taken a basic statistics class. If you knew what an experiment or observational study was, and how they conducted you guys wouldnt'' be asking these questions.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Trygve

Originally posted by: m4ch0dude
Well, I do agree that men overestimate the importance of looks, but then again, women don't really know what they want either. I'm sure you've all heard the "nice, sensitive guy" story, and then the next thing you know the b!tch is hooking up with some ape from the bar. But, that's a whole other topic for you.

Hmmmm...based on the women I've known over the years, I don't think it would be *possible* to overestimate the importance of looks. I think you've got a whole lot more guys walking around trying to convince themselves that women are "less visual" while the women in question are busily checking out other guys' butts (and other body parts).

But, you're right--an amazing number of women will state that they "don't like guys with muscles." I hear it all the time. However, try going out wearing a pair of tight jeans and a shiny, form-fitting shirt and see how they treat you when it's in the flesh instead of on paper. I gotta tell ya, it's more fun than taking a survey. 😉

I knew you'd post in this thread, you big buff lurker you 🙂

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: SSmaro

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: SSmaro

well if you follow the olympics, asians are some of the best at sports all around. If you follow combative sports like ultimate fighting, boxing, wrestling, asians are very dominant, yet you don't see the steroid abuse among them.

I would say that asians dominate fighting sports (which are the most masculine of all sports) yet they use no roids.

Really? I'd love to see an Asian in the boxing ring with a Westerner.

:laugh:

You see this is where your ignorance comes in. If you follow fighting sports you will see that asians dominate it. Look at the olympics, asians got the majority of the medals in the combat sports.

Are you japanese? IF you are I'm surprised you haven't heard or Pride, the biggest free fight promotion in the world.

japan has 4 #1 fighters out of 7 weight classes in the sport of MMA. I would call that dominating.

also.. I'm sure you've heard of muhammad ali right? Well he did fight an asian man in antonio inoki and it ended his career.

Combat sports? I'm sure you mean Oriental styles of fighting, in which a light, efficient body is definitely an advantage over a much slower, brawnier body. This is common sense, after all.

As for Inoki ending Ali's career... :laugh:

 

[SSmaro]

Originally posted by: Trygve

Originally posted by: m4ch0dude
Well, I do agree that men overestimate the importance of looks, but then again, women don't really know what they want either. I'm sure you've all heard the "nice, sensitive guy" story, and then the next thing you know the b!tch is hooking up with some ape from the bar. But, that's a whole other topic for you.

Hmmmm...based on the women I've known over the years, I don't think it would be *possible* to overestimate the importance of looks. I think you've got a whole lot more guys walking around trying to convince themselves that women are "less visual" while the women in question are busily checking out other guys' butts (and other body parts).

But, you're right--an amazing number of women will state that they "don't like guys with muscles." I hear it all the time. However, try going out wearing a pair of tight jeans and a shiny, form-fitting shirt and see how they treat you when it's in the flesh instead of on paper. I gotta tell ya, it's more fun than taking a survey. 😉

this isn't a regular survey. This is a harvard STUDY. you really want to dispute that w/ your armchair attacks?

 

[SSmaro]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: SSmaro

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: SSmaro

well if you follow the olympics, asians are some of the best at sports all around. If you follow combative sports like ultimate fighting, boxing, wrestling, asians are very dominant, yet you don't see the steroid abuse among them.

I would say that asians dominate fighting sports (which are the most masculine of all sports) yet they use no roids.

Really? I'd love to see an Asian in the boxing ring with a Westerner.

:laugh:

You see this is where your ignorance comes in. If you follow fighting sports you will see that asians dominate it. Look at the olympics, asians got the majority of the medals in the combat sports.

Are you japanese? IF you are I'm surprised you haven't heard or Pride, the biggest free fight promotion in the world.

japan has 4 #1 fighters out of 7 weight classes in the sport of MMA. I would call that dominating.

also.. I'm sure you've heard of muhammad ali right? Well he did fight an asian man in antonio inoki and it ended his career.

Combat sports? I'm sure you mean Oriental styles of fighting, in which a light, efficient body is definitely an advantage over a much slower, brawnier body. This is common sense, after all.

As for Inoki ending Ali's career... :laugh:

your ignorance shines again.. HELLO!!! I said weight classes. And free fight (MMA) COMES FROM GREECE!!! IT's called pankration and it originated 2000 years ago. The main styles you use are wrestling, boxing, muay thai and brazilian jiujitsu, HARDLY oriental styles. If anything MMA PROVED that oriental styles did not work in real fights.

but anyways asians dominate MMA and you can go to any legitimate ranking page and you will see them flooded in the top 10.

And about ali... if you knew anything about that fighti n madison square garden... and if you have read any ali bios... you would know that inoki damaged ali's legs permanentely in that match.

 

[Orsorum]

I think all this thread has done is bring to light some common latent fears and arrogance. Many men are afraid or ashamed of their body size (i.e. small/skinny/etc) but are incredibly intelligent, and thus they will play that up. Others may not place as much emphasis on academic achievement but are frequent weight-lifters, and so they will emphasize physical bulk as an attractive trait.

As a person who has achieved some considerable amount of academic success, and who has been (and is currently working back up to being) very muscular/fit, I can tell you that women are attracted to both attributes. Taken together, or taken apart with a reasonable degree of balance, you shouldn't have trouble finding some women.

No woman (or no man, for that matter) will be physically attracted to a grossly overweight person, no matter their intellectual ability. Unfortunately, the converse doesn't hold. I've seen WAY too many hot idiots in relationships with people who were too good for them.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Hardcore

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
white guys here are just trying to defend themselves now 😛
Yep I find this article true. I went to a predominately asian high school(60% asian 30% white), and high honors was something that was looked up to. The popular people would be the ones with multiple honor classes and involved in many clubs and extra-cirriculars.

The same is true for my school, which was very very predominantly white. Go figure.

Well, i'm assuming you also live in NA? In that case, it's not surprising, since NA is predominantly white as well. But take the percentage of asians in America, and then take the % of asians in universities... and what do you see?

I'm sorry, I guess I should've simplified the quote for some of you... here you go...

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I went to a... [highschool where]... the popular people would be the ones with multiple honor classes and involved in many clubs and extra-cirriculars.

The same is true for my school, which was very very predominantly white. Go figure.[/quote]

So, you see, to avoid making broad generalizations like most of you are doing, I was simply saying that the statistics in my school showed that the popular people were generally very smart (GPA-wise) and were involved in many different academic activities. I was not contrasting any two races, but only different types of personalities. Which was what the original study was doing, however it only used a race comparison as a prop crutch to strengthen its findings.