White men have distorted body image, Harvard Study finds

SSmaro

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=abtcMYhd4x2w&refer=us

U.S. Men Have More Distorted Body Image Than Asians, Study Says
Feb. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Men in the U.S. and Europe are more likely to overestimate female desire for muscular mates than their East Asian counterparts, says a study published today in the American Journal of Psychiatry.

Western men said women preferred a physique with 20 to 30 pounds more muscle than the average man. Yet women chose men without the added bulk when asked what type of male body they liked most, according to the study by Belmont, Massachusetts- based McLean Hospital, affiliated with Harvard Medical School.

Taiwanese men correctly noted that women don't desire muscle-bound men. The study's findings may help explain why male body image disorders and anabolic steroid abuse are problems in Western cultures, yet almost nonexistent in Asia, said Harrison Pope, head of McLean Hospital's Biological Psychiatry Laboratory.

``Steroid abuse is just not an issue in Pacific Rim countries,'' Pope said in an interview. ``Even though one can easily buy steroids in places like Beijing without a doctor's prescription.''
The researchers, led by Harvard undergraduate student Chi-Fu Jeffrey Yang, asked 55 male university students in Taiwan to select pictures closest to their own bodies, the body they'd like to have, the body of the average Taiwanese male and the body that Taiwanese women prefer.

The results were then compared with results from identical studies conducted in the U.S., France and Austria.

``Western men are much more concerned about looking muscular than men in the Pacific Rim,'' said Pope, one of the study's senior authors.

The difference in cultures is one possible explanation, according to the article. For example, statues from Ancient Greece typically show men with ample muscle, whereas sculptures from China rarely depict such male brawn.

``There's more tradition of muscle and physical prowess in Western culture,'' Pope said. ``Whereas the Chinese idea of masculinity has more to do with fortitude of character and intellect.''

Another reason for the difference could be that Western males, unlike Asians, are bombarded with images of muscular men in advertisements. Another possible cause could be that women in the U.S. and Europe have more parity with men than their counterparts in East Asia.

``Nowadays, women can do almost anything that a man can do with one exception: They can't bench press 315 pounds, no matter what the Supreme Court says,'' Pope said. ``It may be a last refuge of masculinity for some men in the West.''
 

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US and European men, not just White men in particular.

Edit: it also depends on what population of women they asked. Besides, everyone has their own tastes.
 

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Yet women chose men without the added bulk when asked what type of male body they liked most
'when asked'... wimmens say a lot of things they don't mean though. I cite the typical "I want a sensitive, humorous guy" type who really want 75-IQ bikers who'll treat them like a dishrag.
 

artikk

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Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Are you trying to say something?

Yes, he's trying to tell us that white western men don't know what women REALLY want for a perfect male companion while asians DO(intellect > muscle bulk)
 

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Yet women chose men without the added bulk when asked what type of male body they liked most
'when asked'... wimmens say a lot of things they don't mean though. I cite the typical "I want a sensitive, humorous guy" type who really want 75-IQ bikers who'll treat them like a dishrag.

:thumbsup:
 

Nikamichi

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Originally posted by: russianpower
Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Are you trying to say something?

Yes, he's trying to tell us that white men don't know what women REALLY want for a perfect male companion while asians DO(intellect > muscle bulk)

That doesn't sound right. I don't think it has much to do with intellect, as most women would go for a muscular male than a lean, pale-looking one. This article also doesn't take into consideration the disparity in the diets that a white male and asian male would partake in his country.

 

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Taiwanese men correctly noted that women don't desire muscle-bound men. The study's findings may help explain why male body image disorders and anabolic steroid abuse are problems in Western cultures, yet almost nonexistent in Asia, said Harrison Pope, head of McLean Hospital's Biological Psychiatry Laboratory.

``There's more tradition of muscle and physical prowess in Western culture,'' Pope said. ``Whereas the Chinese idea of masculinity has more to do with fortitude of character and intellect.''
I guess I misinterpreted it. Only chinese women like intellect and fortitude of character in men.
 

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Really? So you're saying the fact that you can see the muscles through my shirt means absolutely nothing to women? Because if you are, then you obvioulsy havent been at my work, and havent seen the type of reactions I get.

Now, granted, not all women want muscular guys, but if a woman has a choice between 2 guys, same personality, only one is muscular and the other is either skinny or fat, which one you think she would pick?

Women dont place as much value on looks as men, and other factors matter more than looks to them, but I'd still rather be muscular than not.

My $0.02
 

Nikamichi

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Originally posted by: russianpower

Taiwanese men correctly noted that women don't desire muscle-bound men. The study's findings may help explain why male body image disorders and anabolic steroid abuse are problems in Western cultures, yet almost nonexistent in Asia, said Harrison Pope, head of McLean Hospital's Biological Psychiatry Laboratory.

``There's more tradition of muscle and physical prowess in Western culture,'' Pope said. ``Whereas the Chinese idea of masculinity has more to do with fortitude of character and intellect.''

I guess I misinterpreted it. Only chinese women like intellect and fortitude of character in men.

Yeah, otherwise it would sound as if their point is: Western men are more interested in developing masculinity than their own intellect.
 

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Originally posted by: m4ch0dude
Really? So you're saying the fact that you can see the muscles through my shirt means absolutely nothing to women? Because if you are, then you obvioulsy havent been at my work, and havent seen the type of reactions I get.

Now, granted, not all women want muscular guys, but if a woman has a choice between 2 guys, same personality, only one is muscular and the other is either skinny or fat, which one you think she would pick?

Women dont place as much value on looks as men, and other factors matter more than looks to them, but I'd still rather be muscular than not.

My $0.02


READ THE ARTICLE. It didn't say that women didnt' prefer muscle, but it said that white men overestimated the women's desire for the ideal body. Asian men's ideals were closer to the women's ideals.
 

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Oooh, so that explains why 100lb. geeks get all the chicks, while movie guys and body builders remain sexually frustrated.
 

Nikamichi

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Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
Oooh, so that explains why 100lb. geeks get all the chicks, while movie guys and body builders remain sexually frustrated.

In your dreams. :p
 

SSmaro

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Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Originally posted by: russianpower
Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Are you trying to say something?

Yes, he's trying to tell us that white men don't know what women REALLY want for a perfect male companion while asians DO(intellect > muscle bulk)

That doesn't sound right. I don't think it has much to do with intellect, as most women would go for a muscular male than a lean, pale-looking one. This article also doesn't take into consideration the disparity in the diets that a white male and asian male would partake in his country.

HAHAHA.. again read it. It doesn't say that women don't prefer muscle it's just that white men overestimated the ideal by a significant amount.


 

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Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
Oooh, so that explains why 100lb. geeks get all the chicks, while movie guys and body builders remain sexually frustrated.

are you stupid? Read the article. It doesn't say anything about asian guys getting more chicks, it just says that asian men are more secure about their body image.
 

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Originally posted by: SSmaro
Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
Oooh, so that explains why 100lb. geeks get all the chicks, while movie guys and body builders remain sexually frustrated.

are you stupid? Read the article. It doesn't say anything about asian guys getting more chicks, it just says that asian men are more secure about their body image.

:roll: no need for flaming please.
 

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Originally posted by: m4ch0dude
Really? So you're saying the fact that you can see the muscles through my shirt means absolutely nothing to women? Because if you are, then you obvioulsy havent been at my work, and havent seen the type of reactions I get.

Now, granted, not all women want muscular guys, but if a woman has a choice between 2 guys, same personality, only one is muscular and the other is either skinny or fat, which one you think she would pick?

Women dont place as much value on looks as men, and other factors matter more than looks to them, but I'd still rather be muscular than not.

My $0.02

Skinny, fat, and super-muscle are the extremes. The article said that most women are more interested in the "middle-ground". So while super-muscular may be one step above skinny and fat, the happy-medium still wins.
 

SSmaro

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why all the flaming? I posted a study by the most prestigious intellectual institution in the world. There is no disputing it.

It's well known that asians emphasize skill over brawn. Asian women also follow this principle. Why else do you think that all the asian girls who date white people prefer nerdy, lanky ones, instead of the jocks?

I have noticed too that asian men have overall less complexes about their self image than western men do. the study is correct in the sense that white men have been burned out by the advent of feminism.
 

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Originally posted by: SSmaro
Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Originally posted by: russianpower
Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Are you trying to say something?

Yes, he's trying to tell us that white men don't know what women REALLY want for a perfect male companion while asians DO(intellect > muscle bulk)

That doesn't sound right. I don't think it has much to do with intellect, as most women would go for a muscular male than a lean, pale-looking one. This article also doesn't take into consideration the disparity in the diets that a white male and asian male would partake in his country.

HAHAHA.. again read it. It doesn't say that women don't prefer muscle it's just that white men overestimated the ideal by a significant amount.

Overestimate? Most men who use it, don't do so just to impress women. Obviously, males in the Western world use steroids for bodybuilding, because: they have the physical frame for it, whereas the majority of Asian men don't and it's also heavily used for athletic purposes.


 

m4ch0dude

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Originally posted by: SSmaro
Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Originally posted by: russianpower
Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Are you trying to say something?

Yes, he's trying to tell us that white men don't know what women REALLY want for a perfect male companion while asians DO(intellect > muscle bulk)

That doesn't sound right. I don't think it has much to do with intellect, as most women would go for a muscular male than a lean, pale-looking one. This article also doesn't take into consideration the disparity in the diets that a white male and asian male would partake in his country.

HAHAHA.. again read it. It doesn't say that women don't prefer muscle it's just that white men overestimated the ideal by a significant amount.

Well, I do agree that men overestimate the importance of looks, but then again, women don't really know what they want either. I'm sure you've all heard the "nice, sensitive guy" story, and then the next thing you know the b!tch is hooking up with some ape from the bar. But, that's a whole other topic for you.
 

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Originally posted by: SSmaro
Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
Oooh, so that explains why 100lb. geeks get all the chicks, while movie guys and body builders remain sexually frustrated.

are you stupid? Read the article. It doesn't say anything about asian guys getting more chicks, it just says that asian men are more secure about their body image.


Go play in the toilet butt-licker. What does this quote from the article say to you?

Western men said women preferred a physique with 20 to 30 pounds more muscle than the average man. Yet women chose men without the added bulk when asked what type of male body they liked most, according to the study by Belmont, Massachusetts- based McLean Hospital, affiliated with Harvard Medical School.

That's just not true. Oh, they may say that's what they want, but that's not what they choose. Look around.
 

artikk

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Originally posted by: SSmaro
why all the flaming? I posted a study by the most prestigious intellectual institution in the world. There is no disputing it.

It's well known that asians emphasize skill over brawn. Asian women also follow this principle. Why else do you think that all the asian girls who date white people prefer nerdy, lanky ones, instead of the jocks?

I have noticed too that asian men have overall less complexes about their self image than western men do. the study is correct in the sense that white men have been burned out by the advent of feminism.

I apologize.:) I guess it's mostly about the culture. Chinese culture values human intellect and western culture values physical features. So it is natural for Chinese women to value something that their culture values as do the Americans.
 

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Overestimate? Most men who use it, don't do so just to impress women. Obviously, males in the Western world use steroids for bodybuilding, because: they have the physical frame for it, whereas the majority of Asian men don't and it's also heavily used for athletic purposes.


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well if you follow the olympics, asians are some of the best at sports all around. If you follow combative sports like ultimate fighting, boxing, wrestling, asians are very dominant, yet you don't see the steroid abuse among them.

I would say that asians dominate fighting sports (which are the most masculine of all sports) yet they use no roids.