White House to Push Gun Control

[xj0hnx]

The ends do justify the means if the means are removing guns from people who want them because they like guns.

See, thank you for proving that freedom is a foreign concept to you.

I didn't say crime would disappear I said gun crime would.

Who cares if gun crime disappears if people are getting chopped up by knives? You are not capable of forward thought are you?

Yes it does, if criminals find it more and more difficult to get hold of guns then the number of criminals who own guns would decrease.

Fail.

My true colours? What you mean the colours that I don't give a shit if you get your gun taken away if it means lives will be saved, Yep. that's true alright.

Yes, your true colors of being a totalitarian douche bag.

 

[irishScott]

And America is full of fat useless gun owning pricks apparently.. Like you.



I agree that the power of owning a gun would increase but the probability that you would need to defend yourself against a gun would also decrease, thus meaning that owning a gun is less and less necessary.

For being a country full of fat useless gun owning pricks we've certainly eclipsed the UK in terms of world prominence. For that matter, we've kinda eclipsed everyone else in terms of world prominence. Probably won't last forever, but it certainly says something about the effectiveness of our respective cultures at present.

And the thing is, I decide as a good citizen of solid mental health whether owning a gun is necessary. Not you. You don't get to put me on a leash out of irrational fear.

 

[Craig234]

Leftists just don't understand. If you make it difficult or illegal to obtain guns legally, people will simply turn to illegal sources of guns. The traffic routes exist to smuggle drugs from Mexico...they'll just start adding guns to their cargo.

A world without guns simply makes the criminals more powerful. Criminals aren't going to care that the law says they aren't allowed to buy a gun...they're just going to buy one from someone else who doesn't care what the law says.

First, what a good argument - against anything being illegal. We need to get rid of all laws banning anything.

For example, hitmen need to be legal. If they aren't, people will just create an underground market and buy them there.

And then they won't be well-trained, certified hitmen - they'll be the worst sort of criminals, who as long as they're killing illegally may as well do all kinds of crimes.

They might be drug addicted gangs or lunatics who often kill the wrong person, adding to the tally of innocent victims. Are YOU for the children they'll kill being killed?

Second, you are clearly right that the laws just can't help. There's an infinite supply of anything banned, and so the laws only leave the criminals well-stocked.

For example, as MSNBC reported last night, Mayor Bloomberg of New York, representing the US mayors' association in their support for the Democrats' bill, that with the increased gun control in New York City, gun murders have plummeted to a fraction of what they once were; how in eight years as Mayor Bloomberg has seen nine police killed in shootings, while before these controls, in one year, 1980 ten were killed (the citywide statistics are more reliable, though).

Clearly, this is proof that NYC has highly inaccurate reporting of gun crimes, since you know the gun violence rate has actually gone up with the controls.

And clearly, the same gangs who have the poor girls swallow bags of cocaine and fly to the US, will just have them swallow bags of assault rifles and big ammo clips.

And of course, the Mexicans have infinite supplies to easily export to the US... the fact they actually get their guns imported FROM the US, well, they can't make their own?

Just plant some gun trees next to the pot and coca.

Always good to see an irrational ideologue here to show how bad the arguments are
for your side, so people can appreciate how the right side is saving innocent lives.

 

[xj0hnx]

Welcome to my ignore list, you aren't worth my responses.

Your responses are emotional bullshit, and you are an irrational idiot. Run off with your tail between your legs like a scared puppy to the "ignore list", it's a better place for people that can't form real arguments.

 

[HAL9000]

For being a country full of fat useless gun owning pricks we've certainly eclipsed the UK in terms of world prominence. For that matter, we've kinda eclipsed everyone else in terms of world prominence. Probably won't last forever, but it certainly says something about the effectiveness of our respective cultures at present.

And the thing is, I decide as a good citizen of solid mental health whether owning a gun is necessary. Not you. You don't get to put me on a leash out of irrational fear.

Sorry dude, that fat useless insult wasn't aimed at you thought it may have seemed it, it was aimed at BoberFett as he insulted the UK as being ugly etc. No insult meant, the use of "apparently" was meant to indicate that based on that guys post it would appear that americans are...

 

[Craig234]

Your responses are emotional bullshit, and you are an irrational idiot. Run off with your tail between your legs like a scared puppy to the "ignore list", it's a better place for people that can't form real arguments.

LOL, I can't say you run from real arguments, because first, you would have to be able to recognize one.

 

[nick1985]

I'm so thankful that he has no voice whatsoever in the matter. Long live the Constitution!!!

He does not live here. He has no voice, and should not.

 

[xj0hnx]

~snipped~

Wall o' Craig234 bullshit

99% of what Craig234 says are lies, the other 1% no one can remember.

 

[Brigandier]

First, what a good argument - against anything being illegal. We need to get rid of all laws banning anything.

For example, hitmen need to be legal. If they aren't, people will just create an underground market and buy them there.

And then they won't be well-trained, certified hitmen - they'll be the worst sort of criminals, who as long as they're killing illegally may as well do all kinds of crimes.

They might be drug addicted gangs or lunatics who often kill the wrong person, adding to the tally of innocent victims. Are YOU for the children they'll kill being killed?

Second, you are clearly right that the laws just can't help. There's an infinite supply of anything banned, and so the laws only leave the criminals well-stocked.

For example, as MSNBC reported last night, Mayor Bloomberg of New York, representing the US mayors' association in their support for the Democrats' bill, that with the increased gun control in New York City, gun murders have plummeted to a fraction of what they once were; how in eight years as Mayor Bloomberg has seen nine police killed in shootings, while before these controls, in one year, 1980 ten were killed (the citywide statistics are more reliable, though).

Clearly, this is proof that NYC has highly inaccurate reporting of gun crimes, since you know the gun violence rate has actually gone up with the controls.

And clearly, the same gangs who have the poor girls swallow bags of cocaine and fly to the US, will just have them swallow bags of assault rifles and big ammo clips.

And of course, the Mexicans have infinite supplies to easily export to the US... the fact they actually get their guns imported FROM the US, well, they can't make their own?

Just plant some gun trees next to the pot and coca.

Always good to see an irrational ideologue here to show how bad the arguments are
for your side, so people can appreciate how the right side is saving innocent lives.

I agree with a lot of your points, but with a caveat. Laws are good when they do not deny a person's natural rights, and when laws are created to deter natural rights are when the law steps over bounds. It is not wrong to make murder, theft, or anything that suppresses a persons liberties (such as forced insubordination, be it slavery, coercion , blackmail, etc.) illegal, but it is wrong to limit any right to achieve that goal.

 

[bfdd]

I want criminals on a leash, fuck everyone else if thats the only way to do that. It would be better for the majority if guns were illegal, Fuck those who just want guns because.

So you want to live in a totalitarian society? Why did you guys fight against the Nazi's or the Soviet's again? It couldn't have been for freedom, liberty and democracy.

 

[xj0hnx]

LOL, I can't say you run from real arguments, because first, you would have to be able to recognize one.

If have something to contribute to the debate feel free, if not kindly blow yourself douche bag.

 

[nick1985]

In a better world america would not have guns, we need to work towards it, it will take a long time, but the start is stopping people owning guns. Maybe the very first thing would be stopping people owning pistols, machine guns, SMGs etc. So they have a single shot rifle or a shotgun, not something that you can take into a shop and kill people with easily.

You dont think shotguns can kill easily? Are you insane?

My Beretta auto shotgun can certainly kill a room full of people in seconds.

You show your ignorance of firearms with every post.

 

[xj0hnx]

So you want to live in a totalitarian society? Why did you guys fight against the Nazi's or the Soviet's again? It couldn't have been for freedom, liberty and democracy.

Yip, him and Craig234 are both totalitarian big government fan boys that hate seeing free people doing things they don't agree with.

 

[nick1985]

And America is full of fat useless gun owning pricks apparently.. Like you.

I'm not fat.

 

[HAL9000]

So you want to live in a totalitarian society? Why did you guys fight against the Nazi's or the Soviet's again? It couldn't have been for freedom, liberty and democracy.

I want to live in a world without the threat of gun crime, I don't want every locked down and...

You dont think shotguns can kill easily? Are you insane?

My Beretta auto shotgun can certainly kill a room full of people in seconds.

You show your ignorance of firearms with every post.

Sorry, you misunderstand, a shotgun can kill easily, you can't easily conceal it.

 

[HAL9000]

I'm not fat.

Again apologies not aimed at you.

Like the response though

 

[xj0hnx]

You dont think shotguns can kill easily? Are you insane?

My Beretta auto shotgun can certainly kill a room full of people in seconds.

You show your ignorance of firearms with every post.

But duuuuude, he's got a shotgun (at a shooting club with no bullets)

 

[Brigandier]

You dont think shotguns can kill easily? Are you insane?

My Beretta auto shotgun can certainly kill a room full of people in seconds.

You show your ignorance of firearms with every post.

Not to mention an over/under could put an entire room full of people on the floor, either scared or dead. The reload time with a gun of that type really isn't that long. I used to practice getting two shots on skeet with a break-action 12 gauge. I got to where I could get the second skeet coming way down 3/5 times.

 

[irishScott]

First, what a good argument - against anything being illegal. We need to get rid of all laws banning anything.

For example, hitmen need to be legal. If they aren't, people will just create an underground market and buy them there.

And then they won't be well-trained, certified hitmen - they'll be the worst sort of criminals, who as long as they're killing illegally may as well do all kinds of crimes.

They might be drug addicted gangs or lunatics who often kill the wrong person, adding to the tally of innocent victims. Are YOU for the children they'll kill being killed?

Second, you are clearly right that the laws just can't help. There's an infinite supply of anything banned, and so the laws only leave the criminals well-stocked.

For example, as MSNBC reported last night, Mayor Bloomberg of New York, representing the US mayors' association in their support for the Democrats' bill, that with the increased gun control in New York City, gun murders have plummeted to a fraction of what they once were; how in eight years as Mayor Bloomberg has seen nine police killed in shootings, while before these controls, in one year, 1980 ten were killed (the citywide statistics are more reliable, though).

Clearly, this is proof that NYC has highly inaccurate reporting of gun crimes, since you know the gun violence rate has actually gone up with the controls.

And clearly, the same gangs who have the poor girls swallow bags of cocaine and fly to the US, will just have them swallow bags of assault rifles and big ammo clips.

And of course, the Mexicans have infinite supplies to easily export to the US... the fact they actually get their guns imported FROM the US, well, they can't make their own?

Just plant some gun trees next to the pot and coca.

Always good to see an irrational ideologue here to show how bad the arguments are
for your side, so people can appreciate how the right side is saving innocent lives.

Oh God not you too. I'm going to dinner and only skimmed your post, but chew on this:


Your side is saying punish the innocent to get at the guilty. Your side would have families die to catch criminals (armed criminal vs forcibly disarmed household).


Oh and FYI, look at the videos of cartel forces. They're using fully automatic military assault rifles, heavy machine guns and RPGs. Funny, I don't remember seeing many of those available to the general American public. Obviously the big bad gun industry is exporting them to Mexico under the table.

And since you love your stats, explain how crime has gone down overall while gun sales are through the roof.

 

[nick1985]

Sorry, you misunderstand, a shotgun can kill easily, you can't easily conceal it.

Whats stopping someone from field-stripping a shotgun to something no longer than 18 inches and stuffing it into a backpack then assembling it in a bathroom?

DOESNT THAT SCARE YOU?

 

[HAL9000]

But duuuuude, he's got a shotgun (at a shooting club with no bullets)

Quoted because apparently shotguns have bullets now, and you're trying to lecture me on firearms.

The ignore list is successfully updated now.

 

[xj0hnx]

I want to live in a world without the threat of gun crime, I don't want every locked down and...

Too bad?

Sorry, you misunderstand, a shotgun can kill easily, you can't easily conceal it.

Yes you can.

 

[HAL9000]

Whats stopping someone from field-stripping a shotgun to something no longer than 18 inches and stuffing it into a backpack then assembling it in a bathroom?

DOESNT THAT SCARE YOU?

It absolutely does, but I didn't say this was a complete fix, I said it was a start.

 

[IronWing]

Frankly I'll be very surprised if Obama proposes any gun restrictions other than possibly one addressing mental illness and guns, even there I'd be surprised if it were anything that amounted to much. Despite the ravings of the NRA, the Dem base is not particularly anti-gun. Anti-gun legislation would damage the Dems far more than help them. It would gain them many votes and cost them a lot. Also, given that any proposal would never get through the House, it would be a politically stupid gesture.

We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Brigandier]

Quoted because apparently shotguns have bullets now, and you're trying to lecture me on firearms.

The ignore list is successfully updated now.

Shot guns can have bullets, they're called slugs, and I would never, ever want to intersect a 12 gauge slug's trajectory.