White House to Push Gun Control

[HAL9000]

I don't need to read why because it doesn't matter. You don't get to decide morality for everyone, any more than I do. Instead, we agree that so long as we live in the same society (which we don't, but just for argument sake) we will be bound by the same laws (morality not withstanding). The law says I can kill in any number of circumstances. The law here also says I can own guns to do it. You don't get change that just because you don't agree.

I never said I do, but obviously I have to use my own morality to argue about ethics...

 

[Fayd]

Shut the fuck up, don't come in here and start shouting and swearing at me, talk to me like a human being and I'll respond. Moron.

but you're not a human being. you're an internet troll.

 

[xj0hnx]

Firstly I changed my answer, I'd overpower the man.

Secondly if you want to argue the ethics or morality of killing please read my other thread I'm not doing it again.

LOL!!! You'd "overpower" him with the gun? Exactly ...shoot him ...overpowered.

I don't want to argue about your ethics, they are inconsequential to this discussion.

 

[nick1985]

Shut the fuck up, don't come in here and start shouting and swearing at me, talk to me like a human being and I'll respond. Moron.

...

Fuck off. Moron.

Practice what you preach brah

 

[xj0hnx]

I never said I do, but obviously I have to use my own morality to argue about ethics...

Same fail as pro-lifers, vegetarians, etc ...you can't hold an effective debate with your best attack something as subjective as you morals.

 

[Fayd]

Fuck off. Moron.

no, you fuck off.

here in america, regarding american politics, the only opinions that matter are those of the american voter base.

you have no business in our politics. and your supposition that the UK is a model country is a fucking joke.

 

[HAL9000]

Actually, it does. Yours would to, if you lived here, but just like that wise and beautiful woman Rebecca Peters didn't matter.

I didn't call you names. Why so mad?

You both moronic implied that the US is better than the UK, it's not. It's different. Personally I would argue that America is a considerably worse country (in terms of society) than the UK. For the following reason:

Obesity
Gun Law
"Free Speech"
etc etc.

Not that I want to get into that here.

 

[nick1985]

You dont want free speech?

 

[xj0hnx]

You both moronic implied that the US is better than the UK, it's not. It's different. Personally I would argue that America is a considerably worse country (in terms of society) than the UK. For the following reason:

Obesity
Gun Law
"Free Speech"
etc etc.

Not that I want to get into that here.

Quote where I said better. Douchebag. BUT, now that you mention it, yea, it is better, by an order of magnitude.

 

[nick1985]

Quote where I said better. Douchebag.

Same here, actually.

 

[HAL9000]

LOL!!! You'd "overpower" him with the gun? Exactly ...shoot him ...overpowered.

I don't want to argue about your ethics, they are inconsequential to this discussion.

No I'd point out that he can stop what he's doing or die, that would probably do it.

Agreed.

Same fail as pro-lifers, vegetarians, etc ...you can't hold an effective debate with your best attack something as subjective as you morals.

My morals are all I can argue with, unless you've got some secret absolute morals I don't know about.

no, you fuck off.

here in america, regarding american politics, the only opinions that matter are those of the american voter base.

you have no business in our politics. and your supposition that the UK is a model country is a fucking joke.

I'm sorry, where did I say that the UK was the model country? Don't tell me I don't matter and tell me not to tell you to fuck off.

 

[xj0hnx]

You dont want free speech?

Free is not a concept he is familiar with.

 

[irishScott]

Well I can see why Republicans are against this. If you prevent mentally unstable people from acquiring guns, nearly all Republicans would be unable to buy a gun ever again! And the funny thing is, the Republicans in this thread are just proving me right!

The laws are already there and have been for some time moron. Hard to deny someone a gun for mental instability when said mental instability hasn't been reported.

 

[HAL9000]

You dont want free speech?

Not the American overblown notion of free speech...

edit: Read more here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2125854&highlight=

Quote where I said better. Douchebag. BUT, now that you mention it, yea, it is better, by an order of magnitude.

You said my opinion doesn't matter because I'm from the UK not the US...

 

[HAL9000]

Free is not a concept he is familiar with.

This is the kind of moronic drivel where you have been saying that america is somehow better than the UK, this is the point I was making above.

 

[irishScott]

No I'd point out that he can stop what he's doing or die, that would probably do it.

Agreed.



My morals are all I can argue with, unless you've got some secret absolute morals I don't know about.



I'm sorry, where did I say that the UK was the model country? Don't tell me I don't matter and tell me not to tell you to fuck off.

When it comes to this debate, you don't matter. Sorry.

And my reality trumps your morals.

 

[xj0hnx]

No I'd point out that he can stop what he's doing or die, that would probably do it.

That is using force of violence, to be followed up by violence. You do not point a gun at someone unless you intend to use it, if you aren't willing to kill than you are not going to overpower anyone with a gun.

 

[xj0hnx]

Not the American overblown notion of free speech...



You said my opinion doesn't matter because I'm from the UK not the US...

Right, it doesn't matter. Now quote where I said better, besides after the first time you made that baseless accusation.

 

[HAL9000]

When it comes to this debate, you don't matter. Sorry.

And my reality trumps your morals.

I disagree morality is more important than "that's just the way things are"

That is using force of violence, to be followed up by violence. You do not point a gun at someone unless you intend to use it, if you aren't willing to kill than you are not going to overpower anyone with a gun.

I would intend to use it, but first a threat.

 

[nick1985]

I would intend to use it

How immoral of you.

 

[HAL9000]

Right, it doesn't matter. Now quote where I said better, besides after the first time you made that baseless accusation.

Free is not a concept he is familiar with.

The UK isn't an example of anything. There's the fairies and unicorns I was talking about. There are estimated to be slightly more guns than people in the US, so no, banning them will do absolutely nothing. Criminals that can't purchase them now have no problem at all getting them, they also don't have problems getting other illegal things like metric tons of cocaine, your whole idea is a failure. Not too mention we actually have a right to own them, while you only have the privilege.

Above, I'm sure you thought it was subtle, but no.

 

[HAL9000]

How immoral of you.

Yup, lesser of two evils.

 

[irishScott]

I disagree morality is more important than "that's just the way things are"



I would intend to use it, but first a threat.

Are you willing to die for your morality? Because all it takes is one criminal to call your bluff and earn you a Darwin award.

But as the last thread showed, debating you is pointless. You have zero knowledge of firearms, zero fighting experience, and next to zero knowledge of our laws despite facts being thrown in your face.

 

[irishScott]

Yup, lesser of two evils.

Except that you admitted in the last thread you have no ammo for the shotgun. So what are you going to do? Use it as a club?

 

[HAL9000]

Are you willing to die for your morality? Because all it takes is one criminal to call your bluff and earn you a Darwin award.

But as the last thread showed, debating you is pointless. You have zero knowledge of firearms, zero fighting experience, and next to zero knowledge of our laws despite facts being thrown in your face.

There's no bluff, the guy gets off her or dies.

I have a good working knowledge of firearms, and I have a good working knowledge of morality, it's enough to argue with.