White House says that President Obama has ?reoriented the Nation back to a path toward fiscal discipline?

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
1) Get economy growing again
2) Restore fiscal discipline as economy allows...
3) Pay down debt when economy is good

First things first, guys...

Never gonna happen.

Funny how those keynesians never adhere to that part of Keynes plan.

So true... As a Keynesian myself, this bothers me. I suppose Keynesian politicians are just like any other politicians though...it doesn't matter as long as they do everything possible to keep themselves in power, country/economy be damned.

Funny, I'm in favor of that part of the Keynesian policy, too. I'd like us to pay down debt.

We need to get things like the out of control financial sector fixed to do it.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: misle

Topic Title: White House says that President Obama has ?reoriented the Nation back to a path toward fiscal discipline?
Topic Summary: How? By scaring the hell out of us with his massive spending?

You still don't get it. The Bushwhackos squandered trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives on their war of LIES in Iraq. They squandered further trillions of dollars by abandoning all oversight and regulation of their wealthy Wall Street robber baron contributors while they raped the financial system.

We were already on the hook for the multiple economic disasters the Bushwhackos left us and our children and grandchildren as their legacy. You're just pissing and moaning about Obama's choices to deal with them.

More of the story in the link to the right wingnut aluminum foil beany site.

Fixed it for ya. No need to thank me.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Obama has yet to have a budget adopted. He is play the hand he was dealt.

I also notice no one has ventured into this single question I asked:


"Overseas Contingency Operations"

FY2010-2019 Total Outlays for Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan: CBO's Baseline . . . . . . $1.634 trillion
(does not include debt service)

Does anyone care to pay for this?

I will venture into that question. I sure don't want to pay for it and think we need to withdraw from Iraq ASAP. Afghanistan is a tougher situation but I am of the opinion that drones, cruise missles, etc. can conduct strikes for us as needed.

Reducing the total number of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to 30,000 by 2013 will save nearly $1.2 trillion dollars from 2010-2018.

And here's a little beauty from me to yooty:

Freezing Discretionary spending at FY2009 levels will reduce $1 trillion from the Federal Debt from 2010-2018.

(Hint: Obama has cut more than that from the Discretionary budget)


Edit: Just a small clarification. The reduction in the costs for 'Overseas Contingency Operations' by reducing troop strengths to a total of 30k by 2013 includes around $225 billion that will not be required in debt service.

You seem to be of the mistaken impression that I am against Obama. I am not -- I want the best for the country regardless of who is president. Just because I disagree with his policies doesn't mean I want him to be a complete failure. You're not speaking to the likes of winnar here. Good news if those numbers are accurate, though I wish they could come home sooner.

More than defense needs to be cut as well, however.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: misle

Topic Title: White House says that President Obama has ?reoriented the Nation back to a path toward fiscal discipline?
Topic Summary: How? By scaring the hell out of us with his massive spending?

You still don't get it. The Bushwhackos squandered trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives on their war of LIES in Iraq. They squandered further trillions of dollars by abandoning all oversight and regulation of their wealthy Wall Street robber baron contributors while they raped the financial system.

We were already on the hook for the multiple economic disasters the Bushwhackos left us and our children and grandchildren as their legacy. You're just pissing and moaning about Obama's choices to deal with them.

More of the story in the link to the right wingnut aluminum foil beany site.

Fixed it for ya. No need to thank me.

I see its better when your guys doing the screwing.:roll:
the only point he is missing is the one on top of your head.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

EDIT: Double post

 

[ccbadd]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Look at me, I'm fiscally disciplined too! *furiously writes blank checks for new houses, cars, TVs, boats, planes, and anything else that sounds good today*

The idiocy of the right never ceases to appal. Reminds me of the idiots who would say "Gore invented the internet, I invented the paper clip! ha ha!"

Republicans have run up the debt far worse than Democrats. FDR did it for good reason, Reagan and Bush 41 for bad reason, Clinton got it down, Bush 43 back up.

Obama inheried a crisis requiring massive spending to prevent a disaster, caused by Wall Street and their undue influence on the previous governments.

Of course, the right-wng lie version is that Obama didn't have to spend more at all, he's just an insane spender who loves to waste money like all the Democrats.

Typical dumbshit dribble, what is being stated is "He did it so how can you be mad at me for the same" logic. They both spent or are spending to much! It's dip-shits like you that keep the cycle going. Think about the future of our children and put an end to it. It's funny your partisan hack ass didn't mention 911 and the impact it had on our economy. When people were OVERWHELMINGLY speaking opposition to the bailouts, under BUSH, both Obama and McCain voted FOR it in direct opposition to the people!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: daniel49

I see its better when your guys doing the screwing.:roll:
the only point he is missing is the one on top of your head.

MY guys didn't start an elective war based entirely on LIES that, as of August 28, 2009, has squandered the lives of 4,337 American troops and left tens of thousands more American troops wounded, scarred and disabled for life.

That's in addition to trillions of dollars of current and future costs that would otherwise have been available to underwrite rescuing our nation from the wholesale rape of our entire financial system when the Bushwhackos abandoned all oversight and regulation of their wealthy Wall Street robber baron contributors while they raped the financial system. :|

Or did you conveniently forget that Bill Clinton, the last of "my guys" before your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief, left us with a financial surplus? :Q

Once again, your reality check has bounced. :roll:

 

[ccbadd]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: daniel49

I see its better when your guys doing the screwing.:roll:
the only point he is missing is the one on top of your head.

MY guys didn't start an elective war based entirely on LIES that, as of August 28, 2009, has squandered the lives of 4,337 American troops and left tens of thousands more American troops wounded, scarred and disabled for life.

That's in addition to trillions of dollars of current and future costs that would otherwise have been available to underwrite rescuing our nation from the wholesale rape of our entire financial system when the Bushwhackos abandoned all oversight and regulation of their wealthy Wall Street robber baron contributors while they raped the financial system. :|

Or did you conveniently forget that Bill Clinton, the last of "my guys" before your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief, left us with a financial surplus? :Q

Once again, your reality check has bounced. :roll:

Another BS tribe about Bush, can you loose the RCG's (rose colored glasses) and see that both sides did it. The housing bubble could have been dealt with in '06 when your boy (Obama) got in congress, but what did he do about it, or Kerry, or Pelocy or Reed or any of the rest of our elected officials, including Repubs??? SAME THING BUSH DID! But your too blinded to see that we as AMERICANS are the only ones that can fix it, with our vote. If a politician that represents YOU did not try to fix it, vote them out!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Another BS tribe about Bush...

No, actually, it's a small part of the same things about that POS criminal cabal for years. The facts don't change so neither does the description of them.

The housing bubble could have been dealt with in '06 when your boy (Obama) got in congress...

Really??? :shocked: Obama had that much pull, then???

Go check your history to see which had control of the Whitehouse and Congress for most of the eight years before Obama was elected. :roll:

 

[ccbadd]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Another BS tribe about Bush...

No, actually, it's a small part of the same things about that POS criminal cabal for years. The facts don't change so neither does the description of them.

The housing bubble could have been dealt with in '06 when your boy (Obama) got in congress...

Really??? :shocked: Obama had that much pull, then???

Go check your history to see which had control of the Whitehouse and Congress for most of the eight years before Obama was elected. :roll:

COP-OUT!

Who is to blame when something bad happens, the president, or ALL that is in power. The thing that your small mind can't conceive of is this, any and everyone person in government COULD have spoken out against it. It's not how much pull he had, but what did he DO, nothing. It is a point of FACT that concerns were raised and NOT ONE MEMBER of CONGRESS did ANYTHING! Some did bring it to the floor(not Obama), but none of them stayed true to conviction! This included BOTH PARTIES! It does not matter whether or not he had to pull to affect the outcome, just the FACT he did not try!

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Craig234
The idiocy of the right never ceases to appal. Reminds me of the idiots who would say "Gore invented the internet, I invented the paper clip! ha ha!"

Republicans have run up the debt far worse than Democrats. FDR did it for good reason, Reagan and Bush 41 for bad reason, Clinton got it down, Bush 43 back up.

Obama inheried a crisis requiring massive spending to prevent a disaster, caused by Wall Street and their undue influence on the previous governments.

Of course, the right-wng lie version is that Obama didn't have to spend more at all, he's just an insane spender who loves to waste money like all the Democrats.

I never attacked Democrats or Republicans. I simply pointed out how asinine it is to say that he's being fiscally responsible when, in reality (you remember, reality?), he's spending like a divorce with her ex husband's credit card at a sale at Macy's. You can throw out all the strawmen you want, but it's an absolutely ludicrous statement, regardless of the reasons for the spending.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Craig234
The idiocy of the right never ceases to appal. Reminds me of the idiots who would say "Gore invented the internet, I invented the paper clip! ha ha!"

Republicans have run up the debt far worse than Democrats. FDR did it for good reason, Reagan and Bush 41 for bad reason, Clinton got it down, Bush 43 back up.

Obama inheried a crisis requiring massive spending to prevent a disaster, caused by Wall Street and their undue influence on the previous governments.

Of course, the right-wng lie version is that Obama didn't have to spend more at all, he's just an insane spender who loves to waste money like all the Democrats.

I never attacked Democrats or Republicans. I simply pointed out how asinine it is to say that he's being fiscally responsible when, in reality (you remember, reality?), he's spending like a divorce with her ex husband's credit card at a sale at Macy's. You can throw out all the strawmen you want, but it's an absolutely ludicrous statement, regardless of the reasons for the spending.

Craig and reality have been estranged for a long, long time.

Just remember, when you see a post from Craig, it always boils down to: Republicans = evil and bad; Democrats = wise and good