White House says diabetics don’t deserve health insurance

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There's a very strong "nurture" component to that where as Type I is a true congenital issue. I don't deny a genetic predisposition to type II, but environment/upbringing plays a huge roll. Shitty lifestyles by parents often drive shitty lifestyles by offspring. Rinse and repeat.

Type 2 diabetes is an intersection of strong genetic influence and strong lifestyle influence.

Type 1 diabetes is an intersection of weaker genetic influence and environmental influence. The etiological factors are not known enough so that a description of "bad luck" would be pretty accurate.

I think anyway. I skipped a few classes in med school.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Type 2 diabetes is actually much more genetically influenced than type 1.

And a whole lot more. There is an enforced lifestyle in our society which makes these sort of illnesses so prevalent. I can stress someone out, ruin their sleep cycles as a result and make them gain weight. The stress and subsequent metabolic effects such as inflammatory responses whack out the endocrine system and "magically" we have so called Metabolic Syndrome. Hell just sitting down in a chair for too long can cause serious adverse responses that no trip to the gym can counter.

 

[vi edit]

Well, 0bama said that instead of surgery that maybe it would be better to take a pain pill.

Yeah and that was in regards to a 100 year old woman that had one physician turn down the procedure due to it being inherently too risky. That's something that physicians have to face every day.

 

[interchange]

And a whole lot more. There is an enforced lifestyle in our society which makes these sort of illnesses so prevalent. I can stress someone out, ruin their sleep cycles as a result and make them gain weight. The stress and subsequent metabolic effects such as inflammatory responses whack out the endocrine system and "magically" we have so called Metabolic Syndrome. Hell just sitting down in a chair for too long can cause serious adverse responses that no trip to the gym can counter.

I know these things. I was being a jerk. My statement wasn't inaccurate, just misleading. But I have seen some type 2 diabetics who were really just genetically screwed and, although could have been ok if they made optimal health choices, would otherwise not be seen by the general public as having an unhealthy lifestyle. Particularly later in life, those with strong family histories might not be able to avoid it even taking pretty good care of themselves.

 

[TheVrolok]

Type 2 diabetes is an intersection of strong genetic influence and strong lifestyle influence.

Type 1 diabetes is an intersection of weaker genetic influence and environmental influence. The etiological factors are not known enough so that a description of "bad luck" would be pretty accurate.

I think anyway. I skipped a few classes in med school.

So I wonder if they'll mandate antibody testing? Should we help a fatty who is LADA? What about MODY? Not fat (generally), so they get help? I'm confused.

 

[vi edit]

So I wonder if they'll mandate antibody testing? Should we help a fatty who is LADA? What about MODY? Not fat (generally), so they get help? I'm confused.

About that....

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...mployers-demand-workers-genetic-test-results/

 

[TheVrolok]

About that....

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...mployers-demand-workers-genetic-test-results/

Well of course. Doctors asking safety questions about gun ownership... de facto national gun registry! Employers asking for employees genetic testing... yep, that tracks.

These people are barely people.

 

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So I wonder if they'll mandate antibody testing? Should we help a fatty who is LADA? What about MODY? Not fat (generally), so they get help? I'm confused.

Right. These are some examples of why I stated that he was "far from appreciative of the systemic issues in implementing such an exclusion". How would you avoid discriminating against these kinds of cases (and more, mind you)?

Never mind you a simple reality: not treating someone's diabetes now will cost you a whole lot down the road when they are presenting with MI, renal failure, retinopathy, infection, etc. as complications

 

[theeedude]

Some of Trump supporters may discover that they voted to dismember themselves. Would be fun to be a fly on the wall when it hits them.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I know these things. I was being a jerk. My statement wasn't inaccurate, just misleading. But I have seen some type 2 diabetics who were really just genetically screwed and, although could have been ok if they made optimal health choices, would otherwise not be seen by the general public as having an unhealthy lifestyle. Particularly later in life, those with strong family histories might not be able to avoid it even taking pretty good care of themselves.

I wasn't directing my comments at you but venting to someone I thought would be on the same page.

Diabetics shouldn't be helped because they are fat and lazy. Alcoholics should be derided for their moral failings. Gays are sick psychopaths which deserve jail for their unnatural acts and pedeophillic tendencies. The depressed just need to be slapped some sense into them.

Willful ignorance and cruelty are not something I can abide and all the above are examples.

 

[vi edit]

I wasn't directing my comments at you but venting to someone I thought would be on the same page.

Diabetics shouldn't be helped because they are fat and lazy. Alcoholics should be derided for their moral failings. Gays are sick psychopaths which deserve jail for their unnatural acts and pedeophillic tendencies. The depressed just need to be slapped some sense into them.

Willful ignorance and cruelty are not something I can abide and all the above are examples.

Please add harsh prison sentences for drug addicts to your list.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Please add harsh prison sentences for drug addicts to your list.

Of course. We who are above all the imperfect people must pass a harsh judgement.

 

[shortylickens]

There's a pretty good overlap of demographics where education, health and political affiliation tend to funnel into distinct parallels.

Yup, theres already been a few books and tons of articles showing a direct link between rotten education and poor eating habits.
Health class really does work!

 

[Vic]

Some of Trump supporters may discover that they voted to dismember themselves. Would be fun to be a fly on the wall when it hits them.

No way. They're going to celebrate when Trump and Congress take away their social security but leave the payroll tax in place.
One of my favorite Futurama scenes: https://youtu.be/Ao5pWIdkfBU

 

[hal2kilo]

How are skinny diabetics are at fault for the having type 2? curious

I know, there's the skinniest guy that hands out the TLD's here that has type 2. He's probably too skinny. Yea, that's it.

 

[blackangst1]

There's a very strong "nurture" component to that where as Type I is a true congenital issue. I don't deny a genetic predisposition to type II, but environment/upbringing plays a huge roll. Shitty lifestyles by parents often drive shitty lifestyles by offspring. Rinse and repeat.

Sorry, but you are absolutely incorrect about T1. T1 is autoimmune.

 

[theeedude]

Any parents of diabetic kids vote Republican? Talk about cleaning the gene pool after yourself.

 

[Jhhnn]

The only "reform" Trump & the Repubs want is to rescind the top tier taxes that pay towards the ACA.

Imagine being a billionaire. Imagine craving tax cuts so much that you'll screw over the most vulnerable Americans to get them. You'd be one of these guys-

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2014/06/15/the-twin-insurgency/

 

[DaveSimmons]

Hmmm, Trump is taking 4 medications a day. Loser? Sad!

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-takes-hair-growth-medication-234532

"Dr. Harold Bornstein told the Times that Trump takes a small dose of finasteride, which is marketed and commonly known as Propecia, a drug often prescribed to treat male-pattern baldness. He also takes and antibiotic to treat Rosacea and rosuvastatin, also known as Crestor, for elevated cholesterol and lipids. Bornstein also said the president takes a baby aspirin every day to reduce his risk of heart attack."

Trump also allegedly developed "bone spurs" (and a brain cloud?) just in time to dodge the draft. Weak feet! Sad!

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/02/donald-trumps-draft-deferments/

 

[brycejones]

Hmmm, Trump is taking 4 medications a day. Loser? Sad!

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-takes-hair-growth-medication-234532

"Dr. Harold Bornstein told the Times that Trump takes a small dose of finasteride, which is marketed and commonly known as Propecia, a drug often prescribed to treat male-pattern baldness. He also takes and antibiotic to treat Rosacea and rosuvastatin, also known as Crestor, for elevated cholesterol and lipids. Bornstein also said the president takes a baby aspirin every day to reduce his risk of heart attack."

Trump also allegedly developed "bone spurs" (and a brain cloud?) just in time to dodge the draft. Weak feet! Sad!

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/02/donald-trumps-draft-deferments/

Does he take the baby aspirin because an adult aspirin makes his tiny hands look even smaller?

 

[vi edit]

Sorry, but you are absolutely incorrect about T1. T1 is autoimmune.

I guess instead of congenital I should use the term "shitty luck". I think you could venn diagram that.

 

[TheVrolok]

I guess instead of congenital I should use the term "shitty luck". I think you could venn diagram that.

He's just being literal. I understand what you're implying by "congenital," but literally, it's not a disorder present at birth. That said, we could argue "acquired" for ages ... is it a congenital genetic mutation that eventually leads to development of antibodies that eventually leads to type 1 diabetes? .. shrug.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

He's just being literal. I understand what you're implying by "congenital," but literally, it's not a disorder present at birth. That said, we could argue "acquired" for ages ... is it a congenital genetic mutation that eventually leads to development of antibodies that eventually leads to type 1 diabetes? .. shrug.

Then there might be a normal immune system, but defective beta cells.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/03/170301085412.htm

<runs away>

 

[Brainonska511]

And why stop there? Congestive heart failure and you are overweight? No ACE inhibitors, beta blockers or diuretics for you. STEMI and overweight? Do not pass go, do not go directly to Cath Lab. Overweight and your dicky don't work? No viagra for you (not that your heart was probably healthy enough for it anyway).

Eastern Kentucky is something like 80% Trump supporters. And nearly every one of them have some sort of chronic health issue due to poor lifestyle habits. Kentucky has some of the worst (if not the worst) heart health in the country.

And we think Obamacare had death panels?

Who needs death panels to deny coverage when we can cut out the middle-man. They'll just make it so people can't get insurance in the first place. Think of all the money the government will save not having to employ people in their death panels.

 

[TheVrolok]

Then there might be a normal immune system, but defective beta cells.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/03/170301085412.htm

<runs away>

Geez, who ever thought Healthcare was going to be complicated?