White House Responds to Key Myths on Iraq

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Also, no one has really posted anything worth replying too.

Especially the OP. As usual, you're blowing noxious, foul smelling smoke out of your ass... and you really need to learn to spell or to fix that stuck "O" key. :Q

 

[Vic]

You know what I find funny about this thread? That PJ is unwittingly demonstrating to us exactly why Bush is such a poor President. And it has nothing to do with the War per se. If what PJ posted is so true, why am I reading this on the internet? Why am I finding it out here? Why is this just some White House staff-prepared press release? Why isn't Bush speaking to the American people? Where's the tour of America to sell the people on his agenda? Where's the "Fireside Chats?" We are supposed to believe that this war is critical to the safety of America but our President has never once bothered to really talk to and convince the American people of that. Not once. He has often fancied himself a "wartime President" but he has never stepped up to fulfill the duties and obligations that come with that job. And why? Because he's lazy. He relies on his supporters to do his job for him. Because he doesn't care what we think. He knows that the partisan divide will keep his supporters faithful, so why bother. And he can't sell anyway.

I believe that History will be very cruel to GW Bush in this regard.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Vic
You know what I find funny about this thread? That PJ is unwittingly demonstrating to us exactly why Bush is such a poor President. And it has nothing to do with the War per se. If what PJ posted is so true, why am I reading this on the internet? Why am I finding it out here? Why is this just some White House staff-prepared press release? Why isn't Bush speaking to the American people? Where's the tour of America to sell the people on his agenda? Where's the "Fireside Chats?" We are supposed to believe that this war is critical to the safety of America but our President has never once bothered to really talk to and convince the American people of that. Not once. He has often fancied himself a "wartime President" but he has never stepped up to fulfill the duties and obligations that come with that job. And why? Because he's lazy. He relies on his supporters to do his job for him. Because he doesn't care what we think. He knows that the partisan divide will keep his supporters faithful, so why bother. And he can't sell anyway.

I believe that History will be very cruel to GW Bush in this regard.

Good post, Vic.

 

[Lemon law]

I agree that Vic has posed a question of ----Why isn't Bush speaking to the American people?

And part of the reason, IMHO, is that he knows he expends political capital when he is wrong. And instead he send out various administration spokespeople to make the orchestrated case for him. In terms of selling the Iraq war, he was sending Rummy, Rice, Powell, Cheney, Faith, Wolfowitz, Pearle, and everyone else he could muster onto talk shows to build up the hype. And even to do this day, we can rely on various administration types to keep repeating already discredited lies. On issues like swift boating of Kerry, GWB can take the moral high ground by complimenting Kerry for his military record, but GWB stops well short of denouncing the the swift boating. On the Libby issue, GWB initially promised to fire any in his administration engaged in this type of behavior, but when it was proved that Fibby had done these things, GWB got very silent, and then found it in his heart to grant Libby a limited pardon. And of course on the conduct of the Iraq war, everyone realizes the President calls the shots, yet GWB is jonney on the spot and says he listens to his generals.

Its a page right out of the play book of a master propagandist and what Mao called the tactic of using running dogs.

Of course historians will see right past these tactics and peg the blame squarely at GWB's feet.

 

[Martin]

MYTH: ProfJohn is a real person.

FACT: Codenamed 'pojo', ProfJohn is actually a DARPA-funded chatterbot research project. Developed at MIT's AI lab and with input from the Office of Strategic Influence, pojo's aim is to work 24/7 to support the government's positions, attempt to persuade and educate internet users on the goodness and righteousness of the US government's actions and, should the former two fail, root out and report subversives for inclusion into the Terror Watch List (really, how else did you think they managed to get ~1000000 names on that list?)

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I appreciate your response, but I'd rather have daddy lock me in the basement dungeon again than read through that pdf. I'll have to grant it to you on this point, then 🙂

The charts are actually very interesting.

Gives you a real good sense of where our money is going and how that has changed over the years.

It also shows you that if we really want to control or budget that we will have to control our social spending. Especially the growth of social spending.

 

[Lemon law]

Finally non prof John reveals the real strategy on the really stupid GOP neocons--prematurely bankrupt the country with---The charts are actually very interesting.

Gives you a real good sense of where our money is going and how that has changed over the years.

It also shows you that if we really want to control or budget that we will have to control our social spending. Especially the growth of social spending.
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NO NO NO NON Prof John, when push comes to shove domestic spending is vital to this country. And when crunch time comes, its un needed military spending that will have to go.

Unless GWB invokes the Hitler doctrine, and asserts the USA will be so repulsive to the the rest of the world, that the rest of the world, will have to force regime change in the USA. In which case, outnumbered 19 to 1, no amount of military spending will save our butts.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

It also shows you that if we really want to control or budget that we will have to control our social spending. Especially the growth of social spending.

If Bushwhackos and their ludite minority really wanted that, they'd advocate meaningful birth control, instead of their "Make A Wish" policy.

Like everything else they do, they're ethically, morally and intellectually bankrupt... just like you.

 

[wirelessenabled]

Why would any person with a brain believe anything the Bush White House puts out without independent verification?

 

[First]

^ Well, that and the fact that the General himself has said on several occasions now that "progress" has been so great in Iraq that...it would be on the brink of destruction if the U.S. left anytime soon. Yeah, that makes plenty of sense and you'd have to be crazy to think the surge's progress hasn't clearly been impressive (sarcasm).

Look, the fact is that those who claim tremendous progress in Iraq, yet also claim that it would fall apart if the U.S. were to pull out anytime in the future, completely fail to convince clear thinking people, as that contradiction is the biggest piece of evidence indicating that nowhere near enough progress has been made toward the ultimate goal; a completely independent and free Iraq. Every indication is that the U.S. can never achieve that ultimate goal through their current policy, and 5+ years of data prove it. Those who don't accept these realities, like the OP, just reinforce the views of those who think for themselves. They completely fail to address the reality that only constant U.S. involvement in perpetuity is likely to keep Iraq anywhere near stable enough for these pie-in-the-sky fantasies regarding Iraqi freedom to come true. McCain himself has resolved himself to this reality; 100 years of Iraq involvement if necessary.

Btw, death count last month was the highest in 6 months. I said at the end of last year that 2008 would be a bad year for casualties and Iraq in general, and that's looking more and more likely by the day as the death toll has been higher for each of the 4 following months since the December low of 23. What a shock.