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White House presses Russia to expel Snowden; sharp words for China

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I voted for Obama twice......I still like Obama.....
I understand the clearances very well.....

But with that said.......what or who did Snowden hurt?
How did he exactly hurt those who claim to have been hurt?

Or....is it just a matter of the US being caught with their pants down???

Or is that the price all governments pay occassionally to obtain information.....


Why does it seem slike the United states is crapping all over themselves???
Why are we acting like little babies concerning this Snowden thing??


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/25/us-usa-security-china-idUSBRE95O04W20130625

(Reuters) - China's top state newspaper praised fugitive U.S. spy agency contractor Edward Snowden on Tuesday for "tearing off Washington's sanctimonious mask" and rejected accusations that it had facilitated his departure from Hong Kong.

The strongly worded front-page commentary in the overseas edition of the People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party, comes after Washington harshly criticized Beijing for allowing Snowden to flee.

The exchanges mark a deterioration in ties between the two countries just weeks after a successful summit meeting between President Barack Obama and President Xi Jinping. But experts say Washington is unlikely to resort to any punitive action.

The White House said the decision was "a deliberate choice by the government to release a fugitive despite a valid arrest warrant, and that decision unquestionably has a negative impact on the U.S.-China relationship.

The People's Daily, which reflects official thinking of the government, said China could not accept "this kind of dissatisfaction and opposition".

The Chinese government has said it was gravely concerned by Snowden's allegations that the United States had hacked into many networks in Hong and China, including Tsinghua University, which hosts one of the country's Internet hubs, and Chinese mobile network companies. It has said it had taken the issue up with Washington.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/24/us-usa-security-obama-idUSBRE95N17620130624

(Reuters) - The White House pressed Russia on Monday to exercise all options to expel Edward Snowden and slammed China for allowing the former U.S. spy agency contractor who disclosed government surveillance secrets to leave Hong Kong.

White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters it was the U.S. assumption that Snowden was still in Russia and he dismissed suggestions that the decision to allow Snowden to depart Hong Kong was a technical one.

"We are just not buying that this was a technical decision by a Hong Kong immigration official," Carney said.

"This was a deliberate choice by the government to release a fugitive despite a valid arrest warrant, and that decision unquestionably has a negative impact on the U.S.-China relationship," he said.

Snowden, who had worked at a U.S. National Security Agency facility in Hawaii, had been hiding in Hong Kong, a former British colony that returned to China in 1997, since leaking details about secret U.S. surveillance programs to news media.

He was allowed to leave Hong Kong on Sunday for Moscow. Julian Assange, the founder of anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks which is assisting Snowden, said the 30-year-old en route to Ecuador, where he hoped to gain asylum.

Carney said that U.S. officials had been in contact with Hong Kong authorities since June 10, urging them to honor Washington's request that he be arrested. Hong Kong acknowledged receipt of the U.S. request on June 17 and requested additional information about the U.S. charges and evidence on June 21, Carney said.

"The U.S. had been in communication about these inquiries and we were in the process of responding to the request when we learned that Hong Kong authorities have allowed the fugitive to leave," he said.

President Barack Obama referred detailed questions on the issue to the Justice Department.

"What we know is that we're following all the appropriate legal channels and working with various other countries to make sure the rule of law is observed," Obama told reporters at an unrelated event on immigration reform.

There is more.... http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/24/us-usa-security-obama-idUSBRE95N17620130624
 
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I think its more what Snowden hasnt said that has the US worried. I imagine many major govts would love to talk to snowden and the US is worried about wht he hasnt said yet. Either way he will turn up dead. Either from us or some other govt.


Also, as a side note, what govt DOESNT spy on its people? Really, I have no problem with this. I always thought they did and should, IMO.
 
I'm sure the Russians and Chinese are just trembling at the thought of our village idiot sending "sharp words" to them ... lol
 
This is a complicated issue. On the one hand, it's quite the hobby of Russia/China to stick it to America whenever possible. Sticking it to the so called land of the free over matters of freedom especially could give their biggest rival a black eye. On the other hand, the kinds of surveillance Obama was orchestrating is downright tame compared to the kinds of shenanigans Russia and China subject their own people to, potentially undermining their position if they cry foul at things they are just as, if not more guilty of perpetrating.
 
The rule of law must be followed which is why they wanted China to hold him within their borders without answering all of their questions and at that point without reason. This administration is more embarassing by the minute.
 
The rule of law must be followed which is why they wanted China to hold him within their borders without answering all of their questions and at that point without reason. This administration is more embarassing by the minute.

I truly hoped Obama was going to be different. Instead, he's continued on with most of the changes that Bush made (that were reviled universally by the left and far left). In many cases he's gone even further.

I think this pretty much sums up my viewpoint of Obama and Bush:

Obama:
"You can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience," Obama said. "We're going to have to make some choices as a society. ... There are trade-offs involved."


Benjamin Franklin:
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
*

Our government has not been here 'for us' for the last 20-30 years. It's just a matter of time.





*I know that this Franklin quote is actually out of context and does not imply what most think it does, but taken on it's own it enshrines something that I believe.
 
But with that said.......what or who did Snowden hurt?
How did he exactly hurt those who claim to have been hurt?

Since we are not technically at war with anyone, and obama gives away our technology as if it were candy, I do not see where Snowden did anything wrong.

I think its a matter of what obama has to hide that will be damaging,
 
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I'm sure the Russians and Chinese are just trembling at the thought of our village idiot sending "sharp words" to them ... lol

They should be extremely scared. Obama might get out his crayons again and draw some lines in the air. Maybe he will use a yellow or blue crayon instead of red this time to show he is very serious.
 
Asked if he specifically went to Booz Allen Hamilton to gather evidence of surveillance, he replied: “Correct on Booz.”
His intention was to collect information about the NSA hacking into “the whole world” and “not specifically Hong Kong and China”.

The documents he divulged to the Post were obtained during his tenure at Booz Allen Hamilton in April, he said.

Not a whistle blower....but a spy.
 
Why the harsh words for China now? I would have rather seen harsh words when the Chinese hacked rsa and used those keys to rape defense companies like Lockheed Martin.

Obama needs a distraction so I guess snowden was the right an at the right time. The Chinese have been waging cyber warfare against defense companies and such and the government sweeps it under the rug. So I don't know why there is all the fuss over snowden.
 
A spy is defined as someone who gives secret information to the enemy. He gave this information to the American public. Tells you how the government feels about the people...

And how are you so sure he isn't exchanging information in order to get help fleeing from the US Government? The guy slipped out of Hong Kong undetected......you think he has normal citizens helping with this?
 
And how are you so sure he isn't exchanging information in order to get help fleeing from the US Government? The guy slipped out of Hong Kong undetected......you think he has normal citizens helping with this?

seriously? slipping out of a city of 7 million shouldn't be that difficult. And it's known that wikileaks has helped him escape capture.
 
And how are you so sure he isn't exchanging information in order to get help fleeing from the US Government? The guy slipped out of Hong Kong undetected......you think he has normal citizens helping with this?

This isn't Hollywood. Its pretty easy to get around undetected when you aren't flying commercial.
 
seriously? slipping out of a city of 7 million shouldn't be that difficult.

So you've done it before? Tell me how it works.


Julian Assange is a rapist...and he gets to chill in an embassy in London. So, I guess Snowden is aligning himself with criminals and countries who have rocky relationships with the US.



How does Bradley Manning get labeled a traitor in this forum but Snowden is a hero?
 
People are talking about blaming Obama for the US government's reaction, but I would be surprised if a single developed country wouldn't seriously get their knickers in a twist if one of their employees pulled a stunt like this.

For example, the UK government is so stupid and uptight that twice in ten years they tried to use the "this far-off tin-pot country's WMDs are a threat to us" line. It was divisive and not particularly plausible the first time; the second time it was just laughable.

Admittedly I'm a bit surprised by the US throwing words around like "traitor" because it fuels Snowden's case that he shouldn't be extradited because he wouldn't get a fair trial.

Citation needed for Assange being a rapist. The prosecution's conduct in that case stinks to high heaven.

What's happening to Bradley Manning should have Americans marching in the streets, unless they like gross misuse of prison punishments such as solitary confinement, as well as the fact that they're being used for someone who hasn't even been tried for the crime yet. Un-fucking-believable.
 
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People are talking about blaming Obama for this, but I would be surprised if a single developed country wouldn't seriously get their knickers in a twist if one of their employees pulled a stunt like this.

Name one with a leader dumb enough to say what is in the quote in post #9 and then get back to us.

One of the reasons why this is big news is because of how transparent this administration was supposed to be.
 
It's possible that the USA is trying to protect Snowden. If he falls into the hands of terrorists, or unfriendly countries, there is a very good chance he will be tortured for his information and killed. At least in the USA he would be safe.
 
I'm sure you buy everything the government feeds to you...

You're right...either I listen to what the Government is telling me or I praise a rapist, his website, and his Globe-trotting spy friends. Oh wait, Bradley Manning didn't make it. 😉
 
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