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White House forum holds lawyers in contempt

BBond

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What Cheney Did at Halliburton

"An in-depth look at his tenure there finds a decidedly mixed record. One major blunder: Acquiring an asbestos albatross with Dresser"

White House forum holds lawyers in contempt

"Bush signaled his determination to push the changes through Congress and promised to say more about them in his State of the Union address early next year.

"We expect the House and the Senate to pass meaningful liability reform on asbestos, on class action and medical liability," he said. "I am passionate on the subject. ... And I can assure you all that I intend to make this a priority issue."


Just put two and two together. Bushies, please try to come up with four. 😉

 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cheney hasnt worked at Haliburton in years.

Get over it.

This has nothing to do with how long ago Cheney was CEO of Halliburton. This is about Cheney's purchase of Dresser Industries as CEO of Halliburton and the major blunder he committed in having Halliburton assume all the asbestos litigation associated with Dresser.

Now Bush wants to make axing asbestos litigation, class action lawsuits, and medical liability a top priority.

This is cut and dried government pandering and corruption. I'm surprised anyone could dismiss it as lightly as you do.

 
Do you think laws can be made retroactive?

Not likely and thus any pending litigation against Haliburton will go ahead as planned.
 
Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cheney hasnt worked at Haliburton in years.

Get over it.

And yet he's still getting paid by them.

[Innocent Stare] Dude just stand in line, we have to support them in what ever they do........ [/Innocent Stare]
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Do you think laws can be made retroactive?

Not likely and thus any pending litigation against Haliburton will go ahead as planned.

I'd love to see your proof.

Bush plans to limit asbestos, class action, and medical liability suits, and I'm sure that means all of them. He wants to re-write tort laws to destroy this avenue of recourse for consumers. When companies know they won't be held responsible for their actions why should they will act responsibly? That's the crux of the matter.

 
Analysts may quibble about the grade, but nobody can argue about one thing: Cheney had more impact on Halliburton than anybody since founder Erle P. Halliburton. Shortly after arriving, he embarked on a shopping spree, picking up seismological software manufacturer Landmark Graphics in 1996, oil-drilling technology producer Numar the next year, and longtime oil-field services rival Dresser the year after that. Revenues rose from $5.7 billion in 1995 to $14.5 billion in 1998.

In just over three years, Cheney transformed a sleepy company that was falling behind peers such as Schlumberger and Baker Hughes into a dynamic industry pacesetter. "There's no question that he raised our profile," says current CEO David J. Lesar.

...

Of course, hindsight is 20-20. Nobody in 1998 predicted that the reverberations from Amchem could possibly be so powerful. And Dresser was certainly not the last questionable asbestos acquisition anybody ever made. But it was one of them -- and it seems fair to hold Cheney and his advisers, who have acknowledged that they were briefed on the risks, accountable for a bad gamble.
That earns him a C grade/average job? Granted the abestos blunder may cost Halliburton $4 bln in the end, but tripled annual profits should sort of help smooth that over...
Originally posted by: BBond
I'd love to see your proof.
Where's yours? Or are mere coincidences and allegations now proof enough?
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: BBond
I'd love to see your proof.
Where's yours? Or are mere coincidences and allegations now proof enough?
Try reading the OP.
Yes? Where in the original post are you presenting the text of the liability reform bill that retroactively affects suits against Halliburton Inc.? I see an allegation in the topic summary but no facts.
Originally posted by: BBond
Bush plans to limit asbestos, class action, and medical liability suits, and I'm sure that means all of them. He wants to re-write tort laws to destroy this avenue of recourse for consumers. When companies know they won't be held responsible for their actions why should they will act responsibly? That's the crux of the matter.
Limiting damages in liability suits is not the same as denying the suits altogether, now is it? I mean I suppose I haven't seen the text of this coming bill myself, but there's not been even a whiff of denying citizens their right to redress their grievances in a court of law. Only to limit suits and perhaps allow some type of "ceiling on long-term liability". Do you feel that tort reform is a nonissue is America today?
 
Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cheney hasnt worked at Haliburton in years.

Get over it.

And yet he's still getting paid by them.
No, he's not. He's receiving deferred compensation which is not the same thing as getting "paid by them," implying he's still on the Halliburton payroll.

Please get your facts straight.

The $398,548 Halliburton has paid to Cheney while in office is all deferred compensation, a common practice that high-salaried executives use to reduce their tax bills by spreading income over several years. In Cheney's case, he signed a Halliburton form in December of 1998 choosing to have 50% of his salary for the next year, and 90% of any bonus money for that year, spread out over five years. (As it turned out, there was no bonus for 1999.) We asked Cheney's personal attorney to document the deferral agreement as well, and he supplied us with a copy of the form , posted here publicly for the first time.

Legally, Halliburton can't increase or reduce the amount of the deferred compensation no matter what Cheney does as vice president. So Cheney's deferred payments from Halliburton wouldn't increase no matter how much money the company makes, or how many government contracts it receives.

On the other hand, there is a possibility that if the company went bankrupt it would be unable to pay. That raises the theoretical possibility of a conflict of interest -- if the public interest somehow demanded that Cheney take action that would hurt Halliburton it could conceivably end up costing him money personally. So to insulate himself from that possible conflict, Cheney purchased an insurance policy (which cost him$14,903) that promises to pay him all the deferred compensation that Halliburton owes him even if the company goes bust and refuses to pay. The policy does contain escape clauses allowing the insurance company to refuse payment in the unlikely events that Cheney files a claim resulting "directly or indirectly" from a change in law or regulation, or from a "prepackaged" bankruptcy in which creditors agree on terms prior to filing. But otherwise it ensures Cheney will get what Halliburton owes him should it go under.

Cheney aides supplied a copy of that policy to us -- blacking out only some personal information about Cheney -- which we have posted here publicly for the first time.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cheney hasnt worked at Haliburton in years.

Get over it.

And yet he's still getting paid by them.
No, he's not. He's receiving deferred compensation which is not the same thing as getting "paid by them," implying he's still on the Halliburton payroll.

Please get your facts straight.

The $398,548 Halliburton has paid to Cheney while in office is all deferred compensation, a common practice that high-salaried executives use to reduce their tax bills by spreading income over several years. In Cheney's case, he signed a Halliburton form in December of 1998 choosing to have 50% of his salary for the next year, and 90% of any bonus money for that year, spread out over five years. (As it turned out, there was no bonus for 1999.) We asked Cheney's personal attorney to document the deferral agreement as well, and he supplied us with a copy of the form , posted here publicly for the first time.

Legally, Halliburton can't increase or reduce the amount of the deferred compensation no matter what Cheney does as vice president. So Cheney's deferred payments from Halliburton wouldn't increase no matter how much money the company makes, or how many government contracts it receives.

On the other hand, there is a possibility that if the company went bankrupt it would be unable to pay. That raises the theoretical possibility of a conflict of interest -- if the public interest somehow demanded that Cheney take action that would hurt Halliburton it could conceivably end up costing him money personally. So to insulate himself from that possible conflict, Cheney purchased an insurance policy (which cost him$14,903) that promises to pay him all the deferred compensation that Halliburton owes him even if the company goes bust and refuses to pay. The policy does contain escape clauses allowing the insurance company to refuse payment in the unlikely events that Cheney files a claim resulting "directly or indirectly" from a change in law or regulation, or from a "prepackaged" bankruptcy in which creditors agree on terms prior to filing. But otherwise it ensures Cheney will get what Halliburton owes him should it go under.

Cheney aides supplied a copy of that policy to us -- blacking out only some personal information about Cheney -- which we have posted here publicly for the first time.

You need to get your facts straight.

Link

Link

The Worst of Halliburton: A Cheat Sheet

Congressional Research Service Said Cheney's Deferred Compensation Is Financial Interest. Cheney told NBC's Tim Russert that, "since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president, I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interests. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had now for over three years." But, just days later, the Congressional Research Service released a report saying that federal ethics laws consider both Cheney's deferred compensation and his unexercised stock options as a lingering financial interest in the company. (NBC News, Meet the Press, 9/14/03; Washington Post, 9/26/03)

 
Cheney's Halliburton Ties Remain

A report by the Congressional Research Service undermines Vice President Dick Cheney's denial of a continuing relationship with Halliburton Co., the energy company he once led, Sen. Frank Lautenberg said Thursday.

The report says a public official's unexercised stock options and deferred salary fall within the definition of "retained ties" to his former company.

Cheney may still have Halliburton ties

The report says that the deferred compensation that Cheney receives from Halliburton as well as the more than 433,000 stock options he possesses "is considered among the 'ties' retained in or 'linkages to former employers' that may 'represent a continuing financial interest' in those employers which makes them potential conflicts of interest."

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cheney hasnt worked at Haliburton in years.

Get over it.

And yet he's still getting paid by them.
No, he's not. He's receiving deferred compensation which is not the same thing as getting "paid by them," implying he's still on the Halliburton payroll.

Please get your facts straight.

The $398,548 Halliburton has paid to Cheney while in office is all deferred compensation, a common practice that high-salaried executives use to reduce their tax bills by spreading income over several years. In Cheney's case, he signed a Halliburton form in December of 1998 choosing to have 50% of his salary for the next year, and 90% of any bonus money for that year, spread out over five years. (As it turned out, there was no bonus for 1999.) We asked Cheney's personal attorney to document the deferral agreement as well, and he supplied us with a copy of the form , posted here publicly for the first time.

Legally, Halliburton can't increase or reduce the amount of the deferred compensation no matter what Cheney does as vice president. So Cheney's deferred payments from Halliburton wouldn't increase no matter how much money the company makes, or how many government contracts it receives.

On the other hand, there is a possibility that if the company went bankrupt it would be unable to pay. That raises the theoretical possibility of a conflict of interest -- if the public interest somehow demanded that Cheney take action that would hurt Halliburton it could conceivably end up costing him money personally. So to insulate himself from that possible conflict, Cheney purchased an insurance policy (which cost him$14,903) that promises to pay him all the deferred compensation that Halliburton owes him even if the company goes bust and refuses to pay. The policy does contain escape clauses allowing the insurance company to refuse payment in the unlikely events that Cheney files a claim resulting "directly or indirectly" from a change in law or regulation, or from a "prepackaged" bankruptcy in which creditors agree on terms prior to filing. But otherwise it ensures Cheney will get what Halliburton owes him should it go under.

Cheney aides supplied a copy of that policy to us -- blacking out only some personal information about Cheney -- which we have posted here publicly for the first time.

You need to get your facts straight.

Link

Link

The Worst of Halliburton: A Cheat Sheet

Congressional Research Service Said Cheney's Deferred Compensation Is Financial Interest. Cheney told NBC's Tim Russert that, "since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president, I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interests. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had now for over three years." But, just days later, the Congressional Research Service released a report saying that federal ethics laws consider both Cheney's deferred compensation and his unexercised stock options as a lingering financial interest in the company. (NBC News, Meet the Press, 9/14/03; Washington Post, 9/26/03)

I already got my facts straight. It seems you didn't read the link I provided from FactCheck.org. here, let me help you out:

Stock Options

That still would leave the possibility that Cheney could profit from his Halliburton stock options if the company's stock rises in value. However, Cheney and his wife Lynne have assigned any future profits from their stock options in Halliburton and several other companies to charity. And we're not just taking the Cheney's word for this -- we asked for a copy of the legal agreement they signed, which we post here publicly for the first time.

The "Gift Trust Agreement" the Cheney's signed two days before he took office turns over power of attorney to a trust administrator to sell the options at some future time and to give the after-tax profits to three charities. The agreement specifies that 40% will go to the University of Wyoming (Cheney's home state), 40% will go to George Washington University's medical faculty to be used for tax-exempt charitable purposes, and 20% will go to Capital Partners for Education , a charity that provides financial aid for low-income students in Washington, DC to attend private and religious schools.

The agreement states that it is "irrevocable and may not be terminated, waived or amended," so the Cheney's can't take back their options later.

The options owned by the Cheney's have been valued at nearly $8 million, his attorney says. Such valuations are rough estimates only -- the actual value will depend on what happens to stock prices in the future, which of course can't be known beforehand. But it is clear that giving up rights to the future profits constitutes a significant financial sacrifice, and a sizeable donation to the chosen charities.

"Financial Interest"

Democrats have taken issue with Cheney's statement to Tim Russert on NBC's Meet the Press Sept. 14, 2003, when he said he had no "financial interest" in Halliburton:

Cheney (Sept. 14, 2003): I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interests. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had now for over three years. And as vice president, I have absolutely no influence of, involvement of, knowledge of in any way, shape or form of contracts led by the Corps of Engineers or anybody else in the federal government.

Shortly after that, Democratic Sen. Frank Lautenberg released a legal analysis he'd requested from the Congressional Research Service. Without naming Cheney, the memo concluded a federal official in his position -- with deferred compensation covered by insurance, and stock options whose after-tax profits had been assigned to charity -- would still retain an "interest" that must be reported on an official's annual disclosure forms. And in fact, Cheney does report his options and deferred salary each year.

But the memo reached no firm conclusion as to whether such options or salary constitute an "interest" that would pose a legal conflict. It said "it is not clear" whether assigning option profits to charity would theoretically remove a potential conflict, adding, "no specific published rulings were found on the subject." And it said that insuring deferred compensation "might" remove it as a problem under conflict of interest laws.

Actually, the plain language of the Office of Government Ethics regulations on this matter seems clear enough. The regulations state: "The term financial interest means the potential for gain or loss to the employee . . . as a result of governmental action on the particular matter." So by removing the "potential for gain or loss" Cheney has solid grounds to argue that he has removed any "financial interest" that would pose a conflict under federal regulations.

Conflict of Interest

It is important to note here that Cheney could legally have held onto his Halliburton stock options, and no law required him to buy insurance against the possibility that Halliburton wouldn't pay the deferred compensation it owes him. Both the President and Vice President are specifically exempted from federal conflict-of-interest laws, for one thing, as are members of Congress and federal judges.

And even federal officials who are covered by the law may legally own a financial interest in a company, provided they formally recuse themselves -- stand aside -- from making decisions that would have a "direct and predictable effect on that interest." And Cheney says he's done just that.

Cheney says he takes no part in matters relating to Halliburton, and so far we've seen no credible allegation to the contrary. Time magazine reported in its June 7 edition that an e-mail from an unnamed Army Corps of Engineers official stated that a contract to be given to Halliburton in March 2003 "has been coordinated w VP's [Vice President's] office." But it wasn't clear who wrote that e-mail, whether the author had direct knowledge or was just repeating hearsay, or even what was meant by the word "coordinated," which could mean no more than that somebody in Cheney's office was being kept informed of contract talks.

Indeed, a few days later it was revealed that Cheney's chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby was informed in advance that Halliburton was going to receive an earlier contract in the fall of 2002 -- to secretly plan post-war repair of Iraq's oil facilities. But being informed of a decision after it is made is a far cry from taking part in making it. And according to the White House, Libby didn't even pass on the information to Cheney anyway.

So to sum up, this Kerry ad's implication that Cheney has a financial interest in Halliburton is unfounded and the $2 million figure is flat wrong.
So depite your link to the contrary, which happen to omit little relevant facts in order to make that mountain from a molehill, you are wrong.
 
You take the word of factcheck.org. I'll take the word of the non-partisan Congressional Research Service. You can read their determination above.

 
Originally posted by: BBond
You take the word of factcheck.org. I'll take the word of the non-partisan Congressional Research Service. You can read their determination above.

Non-partisan? You mean the report requested from CRS by a Democrat?

Bwahahaha. You must be kidding me.

Oh, and what did the report conclude?

Shortly after that, Democratic Sen. Frank Lautenberg released a legal analysis he'd requested from the Congressional Research Service. Without naming Cheney, the memo concluded a federal official in his position -- with deferred compensation covered by insurance, and stock options whose after-tax profits had been assigned to charity -- would still retain an "interest" that must be reported on an official's annual disclosure forms. And in fact, Cheney does report his options and deferred salary each year.

But the memo reached no firm conclusion as to whether such options or salary constitute an "interest" that would pose a legal conflict. It said "it is not clear" whether assigning option profits to charity would theoretically remove a potential conflict, adding, "no specific published rulings were found on the subject." And it said that insuring deferred compensation "might" remove it as a problem under conflict of interest laws.

Actually, the plain language of the Office of Government Ethics regulations on this matter seems clear enough. The regulations state: "The term financial interest means the potential for gain or loss to the employee . . . as a result of governmental action on the particular matter." So by removing the "potential for gain or loss" Cheney has solid grounds to argue that he has removed any "financial interest" that would pose a conflict under federal regulations.
Care to make more unfounded allegations?
 
"But, just days later, the Congressional Research Service released a report saying that federal ethics laws consider both Cheney's deferred compensation and his unexercised stock options as a lingering financial interest in the company."

Well founded fact, not allegations.

 
Let me ask the Bush supporters something here, why DID Bush get a bug up his ass about this stuff? Does this country honestly have a problem with companies being held TOO liable for making things that make people sick or kill them? I have trouble buying into the "poor, persecuted company" that's being subjected to the horrible abuse of consumers. If anyone needs more protection, it's consumers, not companies. Even if we don't go into specific companies, this is CLEARLY protection corporations at the expense of consumers.

Or am I missing how this is helpful to "middle America"?
 
Originally posted by: BBond
"But, just days later, the Congressional Research Service released a report saying that federal ethics laws consider both Cheney's deferred compensation and his unexercised stock options as a lingering financial interest in the company."

Well founded fact, not allegations.

:sigh:

Man you're just fvcking pigheaded.

It acknowledged an interest but "came to no conclusion that interest would pose a legal conflict.

Nor is that report any sort of legal and binding matter. It was the opinion of a research firm. If the CRS report actually contained anything damning, Sen. Lautenberg surely would have taken it and run with it. He did not.

Case closed.

 
Lots of CEO's make decisions which hurt not only the company's pocketbook but cause all their employees to lose their job. This is nothing new.
 
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