While you guys are back on coal

[K1052]

But it's clean coal technology...........it more gooder because it's more green

Wind power at half the installed cost of the sequestration plant alone would probably be a better investment.

 

[crashtech]

Diverting waste CO2 to be used to extract moar fossil fuels seems like a Texas kind of genius. I wonder what the sequestration/extraction ratio is, probably something horrendous, lol.

 

[local]

You drive a 1000 miles a day? Is it even humanly possible?

Daily, no but I have done it more than a couple times over the years. From Dallas to Laredo and back is almost 900 miles and takes about 14 hours if you time traffic right. I have made that trip more than a few times. Dallas to Pennsylvania is about 1,400 miles and takes around 20 hours one way. Luckily I am not restricted by DOT regulations on driving limits. I don't make these kinds of trips all the time but when I need to then I need to be able to hit the road right now and usually hauling something. All current options of EVs aren't even in the ballpark of what I need or want. Like I said earlier hydrogen fuel cells could make the range limitations meaningless but they aren't exactly here yet.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Daily, no but I have done it more than a couple times over the years. From Dallas to Laredo and back is almost 900 miles and takes about 14 hours if you time traffic right. I have made that trip more than a few times. Dallas to Pennsylvania is about 1,400 miles and takes around 20 hours one way. Luckily I am not restricted by DOT regulations on driving limits. I don't make these kinds of trips all the time but when I need to then I need to be able to hit the road right now and usually hauling something. All current options of EVs aren't even in the ballpark of what I need or want. Like I said earlier hydrogen fuel cells could make the range limitations meaningless but they aren't exactly here yet.

You aren't the target market for EV's. One day though, battery density will be high enough that it won't be a problem. You'll either have a 1500lb 'normal car' or a 3,000 pound ER model with 1000-1200mi range. Then you can enjoy full torque from a standstill like the rest of the EV nutters.

 

[Jaskalas]

Not at night after a long commute?

Counter point... a commute for what? At least half of them need not apply in tomorrow's economy.

 

[local]

You aren't the target market for EV's. One day though, battery density will be high enough that it won't be a problem. You'll either have a 1500lb 'normal car' or a 3,000 pound ER model with 1000-1200mi range. Then you can enjoy full torque from a standstill like the rest of the EV nutters.

Yeah I know, and I prefer everything I drive to have a V8 in it anyway. Plus I doubt that 3,000 pound ER model could haul 14,000 lbs much less do it for 1,000 miles.

 

[crashtech]

Counter point... a commute for what? At least half of them need not apply in tomorrow's economy.

Point taken, but visit any urban area and ask yourself if rush hour traffic is going away any time soon. It's nice to think of as a concept, but probably not going to be realized in the near-term.

 

[crashtech]

Yeah I know, and I prefer everything I drive to have a V8 in it anyway. Plus I doubt that 3,000 pound ER model could haul 14,000 lbs much less do it for 1,000 miles.

Heavy tow vehicles could really benefit from a blend of modern hybrid tech with the kind of diesel-electric setups that have been powering locomotives for decades. Full torque at all speeds, no shifting, regenerative braking, and a battery that can keep you and your engine warm on winter stopovers as well as enable exhaust-free operation in city traffic.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yeah I know, and I prefer everything I drive to have a V8 in it anyway. Plus I doubt that 3,000 pound ER model could haul 14,000 lbs much less do it for 1,000 miles.

Depends on the design intent of it. Bear in mind that aircraft tugs are electric nowadays. Not for 1,000 miles obviously, but the grunt is there (easily). Just needs more battery.

Having said that, I have a Camaro, and it'll be very hard when that day comes to switch from the lopy v8+stick to a silent pedal.

 

[theeedude]

Yeah I know, and I prefer everything I drive to have a V8 in it anyway. Plus I doubt that 3,000 pound ER model could haul 14,000 lbs much less do it for 1,000 miles.

That's not what it's for. 90%+of car buyers don't care about this application, don't want to drive a huge truck,have adequately sized genitalia, and/or can rent an appropriate vehicle on the rare occasion they need to tow 14000lbs. Also, even if you don't plan on getting an efficient vehicle, you still benefit from others getting one due to reduced gas demand and prices, and reduced pollution. You are welcome.

 

[local]

Depends on the design intent of it. Bear in mind that aircraft tugs are electric nowadays. Not for 1,000 miles obviously, but the grunt is there (easily). Just needs more battery.

Having said that, I have a Camaro, and it'll be very hard when that day comes to switch from the lopy v8+stick to a silent pedal.

Yeah torque is not the problem. But range would be and a vehicle rated to tow that much weight would have to be much heavier than 3,000 lbs just to be able to stop it in a reasonable distance.

I just really don't see battery powered vehicles as being the future. I fully back the push for hydrogen fuel cells though because when you run out of juice you can just fill it right back up in a couple minutes and be on your way. It is still electric and avoids the problems of recharging the battery which limits range and the toxic battery disposal.

Here was my contribution to the V8 thread in the garage.

I plan on taking this out for a cruise in 40 years, I will never give it up.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yeah torque is not the problem. But range would be and a vehicle rated to tow that much weight would have to be much heavier than 3,000 lbs just to be able to stop it in a reasonable distance.

I just really don't see battery powered vehicles as being the future. I fully back the push for hydrogen fuel cells though because when you run out of juice you can just fill it right back up in a couple minutes and be on your way. It is still electric and avoids the problems of recharging the battery which limits range and the toxic battery disposal.

Here was my contribution to the V8 thread in the garage.

I plan on taking this out for a cruise in 40 years, I will never give it up.

Purdy car, I always thought the 4th gen Camaros kinda looked like tampons though. Mine's a 2010, blk/blk Okay, I'll stop garage-bombing this topic.

The weight is definitely a problem if the batteries get truly dense (like no-shit dense, 1,000 pound aluminum smartcars). Frankly there'll probably always be a market for big trucks, but it'll be a small one, like large panel vans are now. I still wish the quick-change battery tech would have expanded further, but I guess juicing up to 80% in a half hour works well enough for the average consumer.

Battery powered cars is definitely the future for 99% of applications. If you aren't really hauling or towing, you can prolly get by on an electric now unless you have extremely long ranges you travel every day without a charge point at a given destination.

 

[local]

That's not what it's for. 90%+of car buyers don't care about this application, don't want to drive a huge truck,have adequately sized genitalia, and/or can rent an appropriate vehicle on the rare occasion they need to tow 14000lbs. Also, even if you don't plan on getting an efficient vehicle, you still benefit from others getting one due to reduced gas demand and prices, and reduced pollution. You are welcome.

I am well aware of that, hell I don't necessarily want to drive a F250 myself but it is what I own and I need a full size truck for my job. And yes that is actual 'need' not the fake 'need it because I want it' kind of need. Now the modifying it to be more powerful is because I want it and don't really care about reduced pollution, your welcome.

 

[crashtech]

I'd prefer an electric vehicle with a small APU that can run on the cleanest possible fuel that can be made readily available. But that is because I am in and have passed through lots of flyover country, enough to know that an insurance policy is warranted, and can indeed spell survival in some instances. I think most people imagine that everything is available everywhere, but that's not how most of the US is outside of urban centers, most especially west of the Mississippi.

 

[K1052]

I'd prefer an electric vehicle with a small APU that can run on the cleanest possible fuel that can be made readily available. But that is because I am in and have passed through lots of flyover country, enough to know that an insurance policy is warranted, and can indeed spell survival in some instances. I think most people imagine that everything is available everywhere, but that's not how most of the US is outside of urban centers, most especially west of the Mississippi.

I have an i3 with a REX that I got coded to be operable on demand. 95% of my driving never even calls for using the REX but It's available and I can maintain a higher SOC if desired. There is pretty much no trip I wouldn't make in it but really if I'm going more than a couple hundred miles I'm flying.

 

[theeedude]

I am well aware of that, hell I don't necessarily want to drive a F250 myself but it is what I own and I need a full size truck for my job. And yes that is actual 'need' not the fake 'need it because I want it' kind of need. Now the modifying it to be more powerful is because I want it and don't really care about reduced pollution, your welcome.

OK, if you can only afford one vehicle, then that's what you got. March of progress will continue without you for the time being.

 

[local]

OK, if you can only afford one vehicle, then that's what you got. March of progress will continue without you for the time being.

That is awesome I will let everyone else pay the premium for new technology while I put that money back into my pocket. I do plan on picking up a ~2010 model truck sometime in the next decade once they get to a reasonable price.

 

[theeedude]

That is awesome I will let everyone else pay the premium for new technology while I put that money back into my pocket. I do plan on picking up a ~2010 model truck sometime in the next decade once they get to a reasonable price.

You must be rolling in money, being so smart!

 

[local]

You must be rolling in money, being so smart!

No I just prefer not to go into that much debt to buy a depreciating asset. Believe me if I was "rich" I would be driving a 2017 something instead of a 2000 relic. But it would still be a truck because I would still have to haul heavy stuff on a regular basis.

 

[cytg111]

Meanwhile batteries continue to increase 5-8% each year, and will likely continue to climb towards a factor of 4 of current levels, thats double in ~10 years time for ~600 miles.
While converting to EV, going away from coal towards wind, solar (specially solar), fission and hopefully soon fusion could be done in parallel. The kicker is that you dont need a crystall ball to see this coming, it IS coming, so you can get in front of it and be industry leader and make dollars off it or be trailing behind.

 

[crashtech]

Fusion, baby! Now you're speaking my starry-eyed language!

 

[Jaskalas]

...enable exhaust-free operation in city traffic.

I like the sound of that.

 

[crashtech]

I like the sound of that.

Yeah, semi trucks in particular would be great candidates for hybrid conversions, without a conventional drivetrain, there is all sorts of room for a gigantic battery, and weight is not a big concern. There seems to be a lot of inertia in that industry though, very resistant to change.

 

[Darwin333]

Why is the topic coal, but the post automobiles?
Don't think you've discovered coal powered autos.

Do you think the US is dropping EVs? What a strange idea....

Well coal can be turned into a liquid fuel that can be used in most internal combustion engines on the road without any modifications...

 

[Darwin333]

You drive a 1000 miles a day? Is it even humanly possible?

And to the topic, I wish someone release a EV or hybrid with a manual shift. I jump in the sec it available for pre order, I am sure our EU/Asia frd will love it as well.

If he drives for roughly 18 hours in a day or so, probably more considering how many fuel stops he probably has to make.