While Iran is making their Nuclear Facilities....

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dahunan
If you were Syria.. wouldn't you feel you needed protection from Israel?

why? The answer is obvious NO!!
Syria knows that if you leave Israel alone they will leave you alone!

That is provided your not attempting to go nuclear!

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: dahunan
If you were Syria.. wouldn't you feel you needed protection from Israel?

Good thing noone will protect them.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
problem with Israel bombing it one after another is that 1. people will forget the reason for the actual attacks. 2. the world will scream and blame israel (look at the world when Israel was in Gaza) and 3. Syria may one time fight back

1) Israel so far has shown the ability to go after a site when the site is at the point of becoming dangerous. The attacks have also exposed what was going on; vindicating Israel.

2) See #1 - second sentence

not for gaza :/

The Syrians are trying to hide a nuclear power plant amongst it` s people!

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: freshgeardude

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
problem with Israel bombing it one after another is that 1. people will forget the reason for the actual attacks. 2. the world will scream and blame israel (look at the world when Israel was in Gaza) and 3. Syria may one time fight back

1) Israel so far has shown the ability to go after a site when the site is at the point of becoming dangerous. The attacks have also exposed what was going on; vindicating Israel.

2) See #1 - second sentence

not for gaza :/

The Syrians are trying to hide a nuclear power plant amongst it` s people!

well that isnt new with Muslims

 

[BansheeX]

The MAD concept isn't that hard to understand. No nuclear capable country has ever invaded or nuked another nuclear capable country. Nukes = peacemaker.

 

[Jiggz]

With the Dems in the WH? Forget it, the entire Middle East might as well be all nuclear powered or armed! Ain't no stopping now!

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: BansheeX
The MAD concept isn't that hard to understand. No nuclear capable country has ever invaded or nuked another nuclear capable country. Nukes = peacemaker.

That's the problem with your statement...MAD really only applies between the armed forces of two countries..

I don't think Iran would have a problem supplying a nuke to a suicide bomber to detonate in Tel Aviv and then claim it had nothing to do with it as they danced in the streets in Tehran...

How would MAD apply then?

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: BansheeX
The MAD concept isn't that hard to understand. No nuclear capable country has ever invaded or nuked another nuclear capable country. Nukes = peacemaker.

MAD? What about IED concept? AQ has been looking for a nuke weapon at all cost! And Iran will pay at all cost to wipe Israel! U.S. next?

 

[kylebisme]

I think you watch too much 24.

 

[ranmaniac]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: BansheeX
The MAD concept isn't that hard to understand. No nuclear capable country has ever invaded or nuked another nuclear capable country. Nukes = peacemaker.

That's the problem with your statement...MAD really only applies between the armed forces of two countries..

I don't think Iran would have a problem supplying a nuke to a suicide bomber to detonate in Tel Aviv and then claim it had nothing to do with it as they danced in the streets in Tehran...

How would MAD apply then?

Samson Option

Saddam Hussein could have used chemical weapons against Israel when he launched SCUD attacks during the first Gulf War, why didn't he use them? Cause Israel would have retaliated with nukes. If a nuke were detonated on Israel, Iran would be numero uno on the list, along with pretty much the rest of the middle east, regardless of which terrorist/faction/splinter group is involved.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
IAEA: Traces of uranium at Syrian site

UN nuclear agency samples taken from a Syrian site suspected of being a secretly built reactor have revealed new traces of processed uranium, the agency reported Thursday.

The Syria report noted Syria's refusal to allow agency inspectors to make follow-up visits to sites suspected of harboring a secret nuclear program despite repeated requests from top agency officials.

The first minute traces of processed uranium from those samples were found late last year. The official said additional analysis had found 40 more uranium particles, for a total of 80 particles.

follow the link for satellite pictures.

So what do people say about this now? still trying to look for "energy" and not for a weapon on Israel?

Good thing the IAEA has looked into this early. I hope the UN will stop them from continuing this

What do I say about it?

I say we start dismantling Israel's nukes first... then We start blowing up the rest of the nations including Iran's nukes and anyone else in the ME that owns them.

You can't have one country with a stock pile of nukes and not expect others to want their own piles of them.

We need a Nuke Free ME and starting with Israel to hand em back to the US or destroy them.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: BansheeX
The MAD concept isn't that hard to understand. No nuclear capable country has ever invaded or nuked another nuclear capable country. Nukes = peacemaker.

That's an absurd theory.

It breaks down even with two 'mature' superpowers, as where the US and the USSR came closer to a massive nuclear exhange than most realize, and you had Joint Chiefs of Staff members who favored a first strike an exchange. It breas down far more the more nations you add.

Human nature proves one thing in history well, that 'MAD' does not finally deter, as we see people, groups, nations again and again make the poor choice with a very high price.

Does the annihilation Japan and Germany faced by choosing WWII as just one example give you any sense of how ineffective such a detterant finally is?

While it can prevent some wars, can deter and delay wars, when the war finally comes the price is very high, and it's a terrible policy.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I think you watch too much 24.

Shame. Nobody can watch "too much" 24.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The UN can't really do anything except sanction.

If the US wanted to to something, GWB would have done it (or given Israel the green light).

We can't really do anything to stop a sovereign nation from acquiring nuclear weapons. Nuclear power (and as a result, the capability to produce nuclear weapons) is an inevitability as we look for ways to power our ever-growing energy needs.

The fact is neither Syria nor Iran for that matter fear Obama doing anything so it is full steams ahead for them now.

However with Israel?s recent election outcome the odds are very high that they will and ignite a full scale war in the Mid East in doing so. Because of our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan we will almost certainly get sucked into it if we like it or not.

Can?t blame Israel either;
I mean if you had neighbors who wanted you and your family to die with extreme prejudice then started building cannons in their backyard and the police would do nothing about it, I would think you would at least I know I would.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The UN can't really do anything except sanction.

If the US wanted to to something, GWB would have done it (or given Israel the green light).

We can't really do anything to stop a sovereign nation from acquiring nuclear weapons. Nuclear power (and as a result, the capability to produce nuclear weapons) is an inevitability as we look for ways to power our ever-growing energy needs.

The fact is neither Syria nor Iran for that matter fear Obama doing anything so it is full steams ahead for them now.

And that's any different than the last 8 years? What did they have to fear from Bush, that he'd invade a country that had nothing to do with it as was his MO?

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: BansheeX
The MAD concept isn't that hard to understand. No nuclear capable country has ever invaded or nuked another nuclear capable country. Nukes = peacemaker.

But then how is Israel supposed to attack people if they all have nukes and can fight back.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: BansheeX
The MAD concept isn't that hard to understand. No nuclear capable country has ever invaded or nuked another nuclear capable country. Nukes = peacemaker.

But then how is Israel supposed to attack people if they all have nukes and can fight back.

exactly.

secondly, Israel has shown nothing but respect with the IAEA, such as letting them inspect and such.

the same doesnt go with Iran or syria.

basically, if a country like that has to hide something that powerful, it means trouble

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: BansheeX
The MAD concept isn't that hard to understand. No nuclear capable country has ever invaded or nuked another nuclear capable country. Nukes = peacemaker.

But then how is Israel supposed to attack people if they all have nukes and can fight back.

You seem to think that nukes are the great equalizer....
If Israel feels that it`s national security is at risk. having nukes won`t deter them...trust me!!

Of course MAD concept will be totally wrong if applied to the Middle East!

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: bamacre
The answer is obvious. Invade Iran and Syria.

No no what we need now is a good speech....

Since you're so hot on it, I hope you are the first one to sign up.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: bamacre
The answer is obvious. Invade Iran and Syria.

No no what we need now is a good speech....

Since you're so hot on it, I hope you are the first one to sign up.

Americans who aren't white make him cower, imagine if he had to face a pissed of Iranian?

 

[theeedude]

Illegal? My university had a graphite nuclear reactor, better call the cops.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
exactly.

secondly, Israel has shown nothing but respect with the IAEA, such as letting them inspect and such.

the same doesnt go with Iran or syria.

basically, if a country like that has to hide something that powerful, it means trouble

Israel doesn't even officially admit it has nuclear weapons, and ignores anyone who inquires, the IAEA or otherwise.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/765538.html

Why do you constantly distort reality in your incessant defense of Israel's conquest over Palestine?

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
exactly.

secondly, Israel has shown nothing but respect with the IAEA, such as letting them inspect and such.

the same doesnt go with Iran or syria.

basically, if a country like that has to hide something that powerful, it means trouble

Israel doesn't even officially admit it has nuclear weapons, and ignores anyone who inquires, the IAEA or otherwise.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/765538.html

Why do you constantly distort reality in your incessant defense of Israel's conquest over Palestine?

This forum post has nothing to do with Israel's "conquest over Palestine" or anything related to israel besides the obvious threat to its well being

go talk about it in the other forum that you wont respond in with decency and respect you child.

 

[kylebisme]

Your post had to do with distorting reality in your incessant defense of Israel's conquest over Palestine. I was simply inquiring as to your motivations for doing so.

 

[Freshgeardude]

how does agreeing about Israel's nuclear program have to do with the west bank, gaza, or for the matter, any thing besides israel's nuclear program.

I seriously think your mind has gone to goo. the only thing you EVER talk about in ANYTHING to do with Israel is, "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine" "Israel's conquest over Palestine"