While California burns and nearly a dozen Republican Reps go back to the state...

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Donny Baker

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: techs
I didn't see the Republicans having any problem with scheduling votes during the Presidential election so Kerry would have to leave the campaign trail.

And then when Kerry showed up, they cancelled the vote.

Until he was back on the campaign trail. And then called the vote again.

So Republican should stfu since they started this.

BFT

So what you guys hated the Repubs for doing, you don't mind Dems doing it? WTF?

I'm more bothered by the OP's -- and pretty much every conservative on this board's -- blatent hypocracy.

Well wait a second now. This was supposed to be "The Most Ethical Congress EVAR!". Pelosi promised to come in and "drain the swamp." The swamp is just as deep if not deeper.

some things are just necessities of life in washington... it'll never be "clean," but this congress is certainly miles better than the one before it.

I wouldn't really call this a breach of ethics on par with the k street project or soemthing.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Donny Baker

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: techs
I didn't see the Republicans having any problem with scheduling votes during the Presidential election so Kerry would have to leave the campaign trail.

And then when Kerry showed up, they cancelled the vote.

Until he was back on the campaign trail. And then called the vote again.

So Republican should stfu since they started this.

BFT

So what you guys hated the Repubs for doing, you don't mind Dems doing it? WTF?

Don't have to like it but better than continuing to have the Republicans destroying the country.

When the Dems make a move that destroys the country further let me know.

 

[Fern]

Jebus, and to think I spend time posting with some of you immature idiots.

This isn't about your favorite sports team. It's about our government.

It is a bad thing to take advantage of those peeps with problems out there, but G@d D@mn they don't even give members of Congress copies of the bills they are supposed to vote on? What else is hidden here that we'll only find out about later?

This sh!t is worse tha Alice in Wonderland and some you retards are applauding this. Gawd, you deserve the government you've got.

How about they actually try to get something right for a change? Take their time and get a well-drafted bill. Too many f'ups have occurred with this kinda quickie crappola. A good example is when in a hurry they left out the provision in the big oil drilling bill that was suppose to charge the oil companies royalties. They are still trying to fix that screw-uo IIRC.

(Oh pleeze, holding votes while people campaign? They campaign non-stop, the F'ing '08 election started in '06, the '06 started right after the '04 was over, etc.)

Fern

 

[StageLeft]

What are they doing in their home districts, grabbing hoses? The federal government cannot wait while a state's issues are going on that cannot be appreciably helped by these folks.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Donny Baker

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: techs
I didn't see the Republicans having any problem with scheduling votes during the Presidential election so Kerry would have to leave the campaign trail.

And then when Kerry showed up, they cancelled the vote.

Until he was back on the campaign trail. And then called the vote again.

So Republican should stfu since they started this.

BFT

So what you guys hated the Repubs for doing, you don't mind Dems doing it? WTF?

Don't have to like it but better than continuing to have the Republicans destroying the country.

When the Dems make a move that destroys the country further let me know.

I believe that the Dems stated they were going to make the country better, not maintain the status quo?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: techs
I didn't see the Republicans having any problem with scheduling votes during the Presidential election so Kerry would have to leave the campaign trail.

And then when Kerry showed up, they cancelled the vote.

Until he was back on the campaign trail. And then called the vote again.

So Republican should stfu since they started this.

BFT

Couple of bobble headed morons nodding in agreement.

Nobody started this, it's been around since the day politics started. For you to say "it's OK for my team to do it because last time your team did" just perpetuate the partisanship. You give politicians carte blanche to play the games they do.

YOU are the problem, not democrats or republicans. YOU enable them. I hope you don't have kids.

Bahahahahaha look who's whining now :laugh:

ROFLMAO

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
What are they doing in their home districts, grabbing hoses? The federal government cannot wait while a state's issues are going on that cannot be appreciably helped by these folks.

Damn if you didn't hit the nail on the head.
What they are doing is getting a photo op so they can show how much they care.
Then go back to Washington to cut funding for firefighters.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Fern
Jebus, and to think I spend time posting with some of you immature idiots.

This isn't about your favorite sports team. It's about our government.

It is a bad thing to take advantage of those peeps with problems out there, but G@d D@mn they don't even give members of Congress copies of the bills they are supposed to vote on? What else is hidden here that we'll only find out about later?

This sh!t is worse tha Alice in Wonderland and some you retards are applauding this. Gawd, you deserve the government you've got.

How about they actually try to get something right for a change? Take their time and get a well-drafted bill. Too many f'ups have occurred with this kinda quickie crappola. A good example is when in a hurry they left out the provision in the big oil drilling bill that was suppose to charge the oil companies royalties. They are still trying to fix that screw-uo IIRC.

(Oh pleeze, holding votes while people campaign? They campaign non-stop, the F'ing '08 election started in '06, the '06 started right after the '04 was over, etc.)

Fern

Fern, we deserve the moronic right wing government you gave us, no?

 

[Moonbeam]

You comedians on the right make me laugh. Every time I suggest people live by a higher consciousness and morality you laugh me out of the forum with you idealism hating kill kill kill. You pecker-heads want to nuke anything that moves and whine like little punks when somebody punches you in the nose. Mommy Mommy, Nancy isn't playing fair.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Skoorb
What are they doing in their home districts, grabbing hoses? The federal government cannot wait while a state's issues are going on that cannot be appreciably helped by these folks.

Damn if you didn't hit the nail on the head.
What they are doing is getting a photo op so they can show how much they care.
Then go back to Washington to cut funding for firefighters.

Aw common, you guys know how the drill works. Is this your first picknic?

Firstly, after Katrina every Congressperson with a brain cell is going to hustle back to their district. All Politics is local - never heard that? (Tip Oneill).

Secondly, they all do this so they can later run back run to Washington, say they saw first-hand how bad the damage is and get fed emergency funds etc.

If your district gets hammered and you don't show up you'll lambsted by your next opponet for being an "absentee politition" who doesn't care. A Washington insider who is out-of-touch with the home folks.

When Katrina hit, I didn't see anybody here making jokes about the returning Dem polititions bailing water etc, or anybody in DC trying to sneak past controversial legislation etc.

Fern

 

[sandorski]

Payback is a Bitch. I recall many warnings in years past about how Republican tactics were going to come back to haunt them some day. Well, Some Day has arrived and now you know to listen to warnings.

 

[theeedude]

So no one sees the irony in the fact that Republicans are unable to attend the vote against the federal government helping poor and middle class families who cannot afford or chose to not buy health insurance for their kids because they are too busy seeing how the federal government can help upper and middle income families who cannot afford or chose to not buy fire insurance for their McMansions?
Seems to me that if they don't think it's the federal government's role to help people who don't have adequate (health) insurance, they should be in Washington voting against SCHIP and not in CA seeing where the federal government can help people without adequate (fire) insurance.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: techs
I didn't see the Republicans having any problem with scheduling votes during the Presidential election so Kerry would have to leave the campaign trail.

And then when Kerry showed up, they cancelled the vote.

Until he was back on the campaign trail. And then called the vote again.

So Republican should stfu since they started this.

BFT

Couple of bobble headed morons nodding in agreement.

Nobody started this, it's been around since the day politics started. For you to say "it's OK for my team to do it because last time your team did" just perpetuate the partisanship. You give politicians carte blanche to play the games they do.

YOU are the problem, not democrats or republicans. YOU enable them. I hope you don't have kids.

Bahahahahaha look who's whining now :laugh:

ROFLMAO

Want to get a room, Beavis and Butthead?

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'm more bothered by the OP's -- and pretty much every conservative on this board's -- blatent hypocracy.

Does the same not also hold true of liberals on this board. Some of you who complained loudest at Republican shenanigans are suddenly willing to dismiss or make excuses for the Democrats engaging in similar dirty politics.

Ok when my party does it, not ok when the other party does it...there is enough hypocrisy and hot air on this board to plug the hole in the ozone layer.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

I'm more bothered by the OP's -- and pretty much every conservative on this board's -- blatent hypocracy.

Does the same not also hold true of liberals on this board. Some of you who complained loudest at Republican shenanigans are suddenly willing to dismiss or make excuses for the Democrats engaging in similar dirty politics.

Ok when my party does it, not ok when the other party does it...there is enough hypocrisy and hot air on this board to plug the hole in the ozone layer.

it's true.

I guess it's just a case of perspective on whether or not the same means justify two different ends.

 

[Sinsear]

Maybe they'll stage another Congressional Slumber Party over this as well.

 

[First]

This isn't surprising, Pelosi is playing standard political games to justify legislation that the country supports. Look at the polls; a majority of Americans want gov't-run healthcare, a majority want it to be required much like car insurance is, a majority want employers to help pay for coverage, etc. Even more striking is that a mere 24% of Americans think individuals should have to pay for health insurance themselves; the other 76% want gov't-run healthcare, employer-covered healthcare, or a combination of both.

Bush is right in that the SCHIP bill is in a very real way an end to justify the means of big bad socialist medicine; i.e. universal healthcare. Americans seem to want it in one form of another, so they're eventually going to get it. Me personally, the only way I'd be OK with it is if we cut out all the fat from all the other horribly inefficiently run federal gov't programs to save on the wasted taxes we pay; namely Welfare and Agriculture subsidization (which artificially inflate food prices), and of course save a few hundred billion dollars by pulling out of the disaster in Iraq. Our own health is far more important than anything we do aboard, after all.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Skoorb
What are they doing in their home districts, grabbing hoses? The federal government cannot wait while a state's issues are going on that cannot be appreciably helped by these folks.

Damn if you didn't hit the nail on the head.
What they are doing is getting a photo op so they can show how much they care.
Then go back to Washington to cut funding for firefighters.

I just swung by the break room and saw Dubya walking through rubble from some fires in CA. Is a guy "leading" the most powerful country in the world really doing any fvcking good walking around a burned house? There is nothing better for him to do?

This isn't surprising, Pelosi is playing standard political games to justify legislation that the country supports. Look at the polls; a majority of Americans want gov't-run healthcare, a majority want it to be required much like car insurance is, a majority want employers to help pay for coverage, etc. Even more striking is that a mere 24% of Americans think individuals should have to pay for health insurance themselves; the other 76% want gov't-run healthcare, employer-covered healthcare, or a combination of both.

Eventually, like the brain-dead Venezuelans, perhaps Americans will get what they asked for and sleep in the bed they make.

 

[yllus]

You people have no idea how childish you appear to outsiders. "Mommy, he hit me first! I get to hit him back! It's only fair!" Hurray. About half the nation has just been ignored due to your childlike actions.

Want to know some history of how it all started, kids? Skip to act three of the This American Life episode Houses of Ill Repute: Bully's Pulpit:

There's probably no house more famous for the bad behavior of its denizens than the U.S. House of Representatives. For twelve years, Democrats squirmed under the heel of the Republican majority. Since the 2006 elections, though, they're giving back a bit of what they got, while the new GOP minority complains in a very familiar way. It's the age-old, unwinnable fight: "Who started it?" Producer Alex Blumberg talks to both sides. (13 minutes)

Edit: Starts at the 42:10 mark.

 

[Queasy]

Debate on the new S-CHIP expansion bill is still on-going. Republicans are trying to delay the vote until Monday. Makes sense since many have not even seen the new bill that Pelosi is trying to ram through.

Many GOP members support this alternative via Rep. Tom Price.

The More Children, More Choices Act, H.R. 3888, fully funds and reauthorizes SCHIP to cover children in households with annual income up to $43,000 ? the original intent. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that $8.5 billion in new spending is needed to ensure that all children in the current program are covered. H.R. 3888 responsibly provides these needed funds, plus an additional $3 billion for outreach to find children who are currently eligible but not enrolled in the program ? all without a tax increase! Rather than providing bureaucratic, government-run health care for those in middle-income homes, this reauthorization keeps SCHIP focused on needy kids first.

SCHIP is not the answer to those children who are uninsured but do not qualify for the program. Rather than bluntly expanding the program, The More Children, More Choices Act provides premium assistance for the purchase of private, personal coverage for children in households with annual income up to $63,000. This proposal will reach the same number of children as the Democrat plan, without expanding government-run health care. Instead of pulling children off personal insurance for the government program, as the Democrat bill would do, this legislation would preserve current coverage while expanding the purchase of personal insurance for millions more children.

Our health care crisis is undoubtedly not confined to our nation?s youth. We must provide access to health care coverage for all Americans. A third important component of H.R. 3888 would provide incentives for health care coverage to the uninsured through state initiatives. The program offers grants and promotes innovation and flexibility from federal regulation, allowing states to use a combination of ideas that best meets their specific needs.

 

[Nebor]

All those charred children need health care.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: senseamp
So no one sees the irony in the fact that Republicans are unable to attend the vote against the federal government helping poor and middle class families who cannot afford or chose to not buy health insurance for their kids because they are too busy seeing how the federal government can help upper and middle income families who cannot afford or chose to not buy fire insurance for their McMansions?
Seems to me that if they don't think it's the federal government's role to help people who don't have adequate (health) insurance, they should be in Washington voting against SCHIP and not in CA seeing where the federal government can help people without adequate (fire) insurance.

Good Lord, you boob.

This is not about having or lacking fire insurance on your home. We won't even know if that's gonna be an issue for quite some time.

Let's supose everybody had fire insurance. I suppose their new home will available to them tomorrow, right?

Notwithstanding the above absurdity, you couldn't live in the home (you'd be prevented), because there is no UTULITY services etc.

Even those people whose homes wreen't burned down can't return until the services are returned. Health Dept rules etc.

There's no irony here about health insurance v fire insurance. The latter isn't an issue at this point. About all one can do is try to file a claim with some vastly over-burdend insurance adjuster.

Fern

 

[Queasy]

Link - Probably a pot stirrer but I though the info in the 2nd paragraph was germane.

After years of complaining about Republican majority practices (which followed Republican complaints of Democratic majority practices before 1994), Nancy Pelosi promised open debate and reasonable access for the minority. In a well-documented initiative that's on her Speaker web site, Pelosi promised that "Bills should generally come to the floor under a procedure that allows open, full, and fair debate consisting of a full amendment process that grants the Minority the right to offer its alternatives, including a substitute.? She also promised that ?Members should have at least 24 hours to examine bill and conference report text prior to floor consideration. Rules governing floor debate must be reported before 10 p.m. for a bill to be considered the following day.?

So what happened today? The debate on HR 3963 will occur under a "closed rule" -- which means Republicans can't offer amendments. The GOP Whip claims that this is the 40th time that rule has been invoked by the majority. Also, the bill got filed last night at 11:25 pm, almost a midnight run, and the House started debating it at 11:20 this morning, just shy of 12 hours after publicizing the text. Most of the people debating this bill haven't even read it yet.

This is the New Direction for America promised by the Democrats. They issue bills in the dark of night, refuse to allow real debate and compromise, and force votes on massive spending initiatives without allowing for reasonable review first. That direction leads to irresponsible legislation and hefty bills for taxpayers, regardless of the value of the initiative. If this new S-CHIP proposal has any merit, why are Democrats afraid of real debate and bipartisan effort?

 

[sandorski]

It passed.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: senseamp
So no one sees the irony in the fact that Republicans are unable to attend the vote against the federal government helping poor and middle class families who cannot afford or chose to not buy health insurance for their kids because they are too busy seeing how the federal government can help upper and middle income families who cannot afford or chose to not buy fire insurance for their McMansions?
Seems to me that if they don't think it's the federal government's role to help people who don't have adequate (health) insurance, they should be in Washington voting against SCHIP and not in CA seeing where the federal government can help people without adequate (fire) insurance.

Good Lord, you boob.

This is not about having or lacking fire insurance on your home. We won't even know if that's gonna be an issue for quite some time.

Let's supose everybody had fire insurance. I suppose their new home will available to them tomorrow, right?

Notwithstanding the above absurdity, you couldn't live in the home (you'd be prevented), because there is no UTULITY services etc.

Even those people whose homes wreen't burned down can't return until the services are returned. Health Dept rules etc.

There's no irony here about health insurance v fire insurance. The latter isn't an issue at this point. About all one can do is try to file a claim with some vastly over-burdend insurance adjuster.

Fern

Watch it with the personal attacks. These Republicans were on TV saying the Federal government is bringing money. There is plenty of irony here. I know it's sad that Republicans can't be in CA bragging about bringing fed money home, and in DC voting against healthcare for poor children. It's a tough life 😉