Which TV to buy?....UPDATE: Got my tv

[Crucial]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: sdaccord01
Think about plasma as well. I debated between DLP and Plasma and plasmas are more durable now, less prone to burn-in, and the new panasonic models have 60,000 till half brightness. Very happy with my TH-PWD6UY plasma and wall mounting one saves lots of space. I researched a lot and it seemed like although DLP has a great picture, it's still a projection and will still have limited viewing angles. Also, there are too many things on a DLP that can go wrong, like the color wheel or the bulb.

What are you talking about? Plasmas have horrible burn in. DLPs and LCDs have no burn in.

What are you talking about. My plasma has no burn in whatsoever. Every DLP I have seen looks pixly and washed out. Same thing with the GWIII's. I can't stand to look at them.

 

[rudeguy]

I havent read any of this thread...and I wont to avoid the Sony Wega idiots.

Buy the samsung.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: Crucial

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: sdaccord01
Think about plasma as well. I debated between DLP and Plasma and plasmas are more durable now, less prone to burn-in, and the new panasonic models have 60,000 till half brightness. Very happy with my TH-PWD6UY plasma and wall mounting one saves lots of space. I researched a lot and it seemed like although DLP has a great picture, it's still a projection and will still have limited viewing angles. Also, there are too many things on a DLP that can go wrong, like the color wheel or the bulb.

What are you talking about? Plasmas have horrible burn in. DLPs and LCDs have no burn in.

What are you talking about. My plasma has no burn in whatsoever. Every DLP I have seen looks pixly and washed out. Same thing with the GWIII's. I can't stand to look at them.

I don't think you know what burn in means. Screen burn in when a fixed image gets burned into the screen because the phosphors within the CRT or Plasma have been on too long at a set color. This happens with CRT RPTVs and Plasmas. This does NOT happen with LCD and DLP RPTVs.

The pixellation you are describing is screen door effect not burn in. DLP and LCD RPTVs exhibit SDE but certainly not to the extent of Plasmas. Your TH-PWD6UY is EDTV and should show SDE even worse than 720p LCD and DLPs because of its poor resolution. Most of the washed out colors that you see can definitely be tweaked out of DLPs and LCDs. If you are just going by what you see in the stores, you really need to see what a tweaked TV looks like.

 

[AUMM]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: TechnoKid

Originally posted by: Apex
It's a matter of preference.

ADVANTAGE:

Design: Your preference
Contrast: DLP, especially if you're talking about the HL-P5685W (as opposed to the HL-P5663W or HL-P5674W)
Black level: DLP
Shadow detail: DLP
Color accuracy: tie (DLP's tend to be more accurate, the Sony will tend a bit towards red, giving it some more visual "pop")
Practical bulb life: tie
Screen door effect: DLP
Rainbow Effect: LCD
Response time: DLP
Lifespan: probably DLP


I'd also look into the Toshiba DLP, which uses a HD2+ chip, like the Samsung xx85 sets.

The HLPxx74W has the HD2+ chip as does the HLPxx85W (captain kirk model). The HLPxx63W uses the HD3 chip. They are all supposed to get seven segment color wheels eventually.

My mistake on the 74W, I thought it was using the inferior HD3 chip like the 63W.

is the 63W that bad compared to the 74w and the 85 tvs?

 

[Tetsuo]

i'd go for the sammy dlp

 

[blahblah99]

I have the sammy 61" dlp and the colors on there are GORGEOUS. Rainbow effect is non-existent, unless you glance away from the screen very quickly.

 

[IEC]

Samsung DLP all the way :thumbsup:

 

[TechnoKid]

Originally posted by: AUMM

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: TechnoKid

Originally posted by: Apex
It's a matter of preference.

ADVANTAGE:

Design: Your preference
Contrast: DLP, especially if you're talking about the HL-P5685W (as opposed to the HL-P5663W or HL-P5674W)
Black level: DLP
Shadow detail: DLP
Color accuracy: tie (DLP's tend to be more accurate, the Sony will tend a bit towards red, giving it some more visual "pop")
Practical bulb life: tie
Screen door effect: DLP
Rainbow Effect: LCD
Response time: DLP
Lifespan: probably DLP


I'd also look into the Toshiba DLP, which uses a HD2+ chip, like the Samsung xx85 sets.

The HLPxx74W has the HD2+ chip as does the HLPxx85W (captain kirk model). The HLPxx63W uses the HD3 chip. They are all supposed to get seven segment color wheels eventually.

My mistake on the 74W, I thought it was using the inferior HD3 chip like the 63W.

is the 63W that bad compared to the 74w and the 85 tvs?

no not really imo, i've seen em side by side in the stores (tweaked to my settings not the stores), but the 74W and 85W have better contrast. They are all going to get 7 segment color wheels eventually. Read this for diff bewteen the HD3(xx63W) and the HD2+(xx74W and xx85W)

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: sdaccord01
Think about plasma as well. I debated between DLP and Plasma and plasmas are more durable now, less prone to burn-in, and the new panasonic models have 60,000 till half brightness. Very happy with my TH-PWD6UY plasma and wall mounting one saves lots of space. I researched a lot and it seemed like although DLP has a great picture, it's still a projection and will still have limited viewing angles. Also, there are too many things on a DLP that can go wrong, like the color wheel or the bulb.

What are you talking about? Plasmas have horrible burn in. DLPs and LCDs have no burn in.

Not true of the 'current' and last gen ones.

Some like plasma some like RPTV's etc.

Me I can't stand the RPTV's and how the image is not consistent from different angles sitting in the room and a few other things.

I'll get a plasma screen myself. EDTV isn't such a problem as the picture quality is still GREAT imo and I live in England and we don't have HDTV but we have digital tv though. Quality of that is comparable to DVD's from Sky Digital imo.

Koing

 

[AUMM]

I really like the hlp5685 (captain kirk model) TV, but if i get that one im not sure where im going to be able to put my dvd player, reciever, etc...

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
What are you talking about? Plasmas have horrible burn in. DLPs and LCDs have no burn in.

Exactly the reason I am staying away from Plasma.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: AUMM

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: TechnoKid

Originally posted by: Apex
It's a matter of preference.

ADVANTAGE:

Design: Your preference
Contrast: DLP, especially if you're talking about the HL-P5685W (as opposed to the HL-P5663W or HL-P5674W)
Black level: DLP
Shadow detail: DLP
Color accuracy: tie (DLP's tend to be more accurate, the Sony will tend a bit towards red, giving it some more visual "pop")
Practical bulb life: tie
Screen door effect: DLP
Rainbow Effect: LCD
Response time: DLP
Lifespan: probably DLP


I'd also look into the Toshiba DLP, which uses a HD2+ chip, like the Samsung xx85 sets.

The HLPxx74W has the HD2+ chip as does the HLPxx85W (captain kirk model). The HLPxx63W uses the HD3 chip. They are all supposed to get seven segment color wheels eventually.

My mistake on the 74W, I thought it was using the inferior HD3 chip like the 63W.

is the 63W that bad compared to the 74w and the 85 tvs?

There's definitely a difference between them. Is it a huge difference? No. but, it's definitely still there. If you're going to spend this kind of money, don't settle with the 63w, especially when the Toshiba is pretty much the same price.

BTW, for the captain kurk model, they're making matching pieces to keep your dvd player, receiver, set top box, etc.

 

[Crucial]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: Crucial

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: sdaccord01
Think about plasma as well. I debated between DLP and Plasma and plasmas are more durable now, less prone to burn-in, and the new panasonic models have 60,000 till half brightness. Very happy with my TH-PWD6UY plasma and wall mounting one saves lots of space. I researched a lot and it seemed like although DLP has a great picture, it's still a projection and will still have limited viewing angles. Also, there are too many things on a DLP that can go wrong, like the color wheel or the bulb.

What are you talking about? Plasmas have horrible burn in. DLPs and LCDs have no burn in.

What are you talking about. My plasma has no burn in whatsoever. Every DLP I have seen looks pixly and washed out. Same thing with the GWIII's. I can't stand to look at them.

I don't think you know what burn in means. Screen burn in when a fixed image gets burned into the screen because the phosphors within the CRT or Plasma have been on too long at a set color. This happens with CRT RPTVs and Plasmas. This does NOT happen with LCD and DLP RPTVs.

The pixellation you are describing is screen door effect not burn in. DLP and LCD RPTVs exhibit SDE but certainly not to the extent of Plasmas. Your TH-PWD6UY is EDTV and should show SDE even worse than 720p LCD and DLPs because of its poor resolution. Most of the washed out colors that you see can definitely be tweaked out of DLPs and LCDs. If you are just going by what you see in the stores, you really need to see what a tweaked TV looks like.

The pixelation comment was seperate from the burn in comment. I should have been more clear.

The pixelation I am seeing isn't screen door effect either. I can see the screen door effect on my plasma if I sit 2 feet in front of it. The pixelation I see on dlp's is when things are moving on screen.

 

[SinNisTeR]

i have the samsung 61" dlp at home.. amazing!!!

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: Crucial

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: Crucial

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: sdaccord01
Think about plasma as well. I debated between DLP and Plasma and plasmas are more durable now, less prone to burn-in, and the new panasonic models have 60,000 till half brightness. Very happy with my TH-PWD6UY plasma and wall mounting one saves lots of space. I researched a lot and it seemed like although DLP has a great picture, it's still a projection and will still have limited viewing angles. Also, there are too many things on a DLP that can go wrong, like the color wheel or the bulb.

What are you talking about? Plasmas have horrible burn in. DLPs and LCDs have no burn in.

What are you talking about. My plasma has no burn in whatsoever. Every DLP I have seen looks pixly and washed out. Same thing with the GWIII's. I can't stand to look at them.

I don't think you know what burn in means. Screen burn in when a fixed image gets burned into the screen because the phosphors within the CRT or Plasma have been on too long at a set color. This happens with CRT RPTVs and Plasmas. This does NOT happen with LCD and DLP RPTVs.

The pixellation you are describing is screen door effect not burn in. DLP and LCD RPTVs exhibit SDE but certainly not to the extent of Plasmas. Your TH-PWD6UY is EDTV and should show SDE even worse than 720p LCD and DLPs because of its poor resolution. Most of the washed out colors that you see can definitely be tweaked out of DLPs and LCDs. If you are just going by what you see in the stores, you really need to see what a tweaked TV looks like.

The pixelation comment was seperate from the burn in comment. I should have been more clear.

The pixelation I am seeing isn't screen door effect either. I can see the screen door effect on my plasma if I sit 2 feet in front of it. The pixelation I see on dlp's is when things are moving on screen.

I agree. I have seen many DLPs that exhibit that. Strangely my LCD RPTV doesn't do it and I'm not saying that as an LCD RPTV fanboi (which I'm not). I'll be critical about anything that costs a lot of money. I think the pixellation may be due to a cheap line doubler in the set.

 

[AUMM]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: AUMM

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: TechnoKid

Originally posted by: Apex
It's a matter of preference.

ADVANTAGE:

Design: Your preference
Contrast: DLP, especially if you're talking about the HL-P5685W (as opposed to the HL-P5663W or HL-P5674W)
Black level: DLP
Shadow detail: DLP
Color accuracy: tie (DLP's tend to be more accurate, the Sony will tend a bit towards red, giving it some more visual "pop")
Practical bulb life: tie
Screen door effect: DLP
Rainbow Effect: LCD
Response time: DLP
Lifespan: probably DLP


I'd also look into the Toshiba DLP, which uses a HD2+ chip, like the Samsung xx85 sets.

The HLPxx74W has the HD2+ chip as does the HLPxx85W (captain kirk model). The HLPxx63W uses the HD3 chip. They are all supposed to get seven segment color wheels eventually.

My mistake on the 74W, I thought it was using the inferior HD3 chip like the 63W.

is the 63W that bad compared to the 74w and the 85 tvs?

There's definitely a difference between them. Is it a huge difference? No. but, it's definitely still there. If you're going to spend this kind of money, don't settle with the 63w, especially when the Toshiba is pretty much the same price.

BTW, for the captain kurk model, they're making matching pieces to keep your dvd player, receiver, set top box, etc.

is the matching piece out yet? i couldnt find any....

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: AUMM

Originally posted by: Apex

There's definitely a difference between them. Is it a huge difference? No. but, it's definitely still there. If you're going to spend this kind of money, don't settle with the 63w, especially when the Toshiba is pretty much the same price.

BTW, for the captain kurk model, they're making matching pieces to keep your dvd player, receiver, set top box, etc.

is the matching piece out yet? i couldnt find any....

No, not yet.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
sony = :thumbsdown:

 

[Kremlar]

The plasma burn-in issue is a non-issue unless you're an idiot. Crank the brightness down from factory settings (which you should do with ANY TV) and don't leave something static on the screen for hours on end and you're fine. It is also possible for an LCD to have image burn-in as well BTW.

 

[AUMM]

update in first post