Which side is beating the war drums harder?

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Lemon law

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Its why EK is a damn pea brain by saying, "So what should Israel do when attacked?
that seems to be a valid question that you refuse to answer.

You blame Israel for who she is but are unable to state when should be done when those that hate her attack her."

Now try to look at the question more rationally. Why should not all Arab States, the USA, and everyone and their brother in law attack Israel if they act exactly like Nazi Germany acted? Well truth be told Israel is not exactly like Nazi Germany but its not a paragon of virtue either. Nor is Hezbollah, the USA, the UK, or anyone else. Lots of past dirt on all sides.

Nor can we say, that in 1948, when the Arab states all unjustly attacked Israel, that Israel needed to defend itself. Israel did, it was needed at the time, and now Israel has more than established the military hegemony to defend itself.

But the problem now is exactly the opposite, the price of Israeli acceptance in the mid-east is now denominated in no longer being the biggest baddest mid-east pitt bull in the neighborhood.

Unfortunately, that military hegemony has gone to Israel's head, and as a result they try to become an even bigger and badder rude crude and socially unacceptable ahole that can only result in their final destruction. Why not tale the peace dividend instead by ramping down the tensions instead of foolishly building them ever higher?

Or is that too subtle for you to understand EK? To well with the minor threat Hezbollah is, if Israel does not invade Lebanon, Hezbollah has no justification to attack Israel. Israel should worry more about Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Russia, the USA, and the UN that may dope slap swat Israel like a annoying fly if it can't be part of a mid-east peace process. Sadly Israel has become the problem number one in the mid-east and no part of the solution. Setting up a win lose scenario for Israel. But But But, given the odds, 275 million Arabs against 5.5 million Jews, there is nothing for Israel to win, they have already been there done that occupied Lebanon and could not hold it, and everything for Israel to lose.

Therefore its time for Israel to get real and look for a win win win instead. The opening price will be a Palestinian State.
 

EagleKeeper

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So you are saying that any attack from Hezbollah and/or Hamas and/or the West Bank should be ignored/shrugged off by Israel and no response done?
 

Lemon law

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So you are saying that any attack from Hezbollah and/or Hamas and/or the West Bank should be ignored/shrugged off by Israel and no response done?
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In a word yes.

What attacks from Hezbollah to start out with?

Hamas has at best a few harmless terrorists throwing little more than rocks and bottles.

Maybe the better Israel strategy would be to defuse the tensions and thereby reduce the attacks. Rather than Israel committing more war crimes while it denies basic human rights to three million people and angers the entire world in the process.

Face the facts EK, Israel can't build a just and viable Israeli State on its Nazi like repression of the Palestinian people.

IT ain't ever going to fly!!!!!!!!!
 

nick1985

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In a word yes.

Wait, so if Hezbollah shoots rockets into Israel, Israel cannot retaliate in your mind?


Are you serious dude?
 

Lemon law

Lifer
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Wait, so if Hezbollah shoots rockets into Israel, Israel cannot retaliate in your mind?


Are you serious dude?
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So if Hezbollah does not shoot any missiles into Israel, Israel should retaliate in your mind. Just because Hezbollah might retaliate against Israel if Israel attacks Lebanon first.

Are you serious dude.

Nick, earth to Nick, your argument boils down to Israel wants to take candy from Babies.
And if Israel has to deal with an equal, its a GOD damn shame if Israel can't always take out a very small man and brutally whip em.

The other thing to point out, is that the larger world is starting to run out of all patience to Israeli arrogance, that giant world Israeli dope slap is a coming if Israel does not soon straighten up their act.

Of course we cannot expect Nick , various Israeli fan clubber or Bozo Netanyuhu to accurately read the tea leaves, but sure as God made little green apples it a coming. Does it really matter is the giant Israeli dope slap comes in the next two months or the next two years?
 
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Ozoned

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Ran across this on yahoo news.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100814/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_lebanon_next_battle

Sadly it sounds like Israel is trying to find a pretext for invading Lebanon.

Even if the somewhat biased author readily admits Hezbollah has not fired a single missile at Israel since 2006.

And worse yet, Hezbollah like every military or paramilitary organization in the entire world lives in close proximity to nearby civilian population centers and therefore is justifying the Israeli mass murder of the Lebanese civilian population. As Israel asserts once again, we had to kill all them civilian human shields to not get at the Hamas and Hezbollah bad guys we failed to get when we raped Gaza and Lebanon. But Israel is really good at destroying property and killing civilians, lets do it again.

But wait, here I though it was the doctrine of the US and Israel that peace is best assured when a nation has a strong offense and defense, but when Lebanon does the same and stockpiles weapons its a sin.

Maybe the last sentences of the Link says it best, as an Israeli soldiers proudly says we are always practicing for war.

I do not know if anyone had the same reaction as I did, that Israel was already planning to invade Lebanon and is drumming up support.

I wonder how many civillians we killed during WW2? Do you really think that the way Israel behaves is somehow unique in history? &&& I am sure there are PLENTY of anti-war folks that had/have the same reactions as you.
 

EagleKeeper

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So you are saying that any attack from Hezbollah and/or Hamas and/or the West Bank should be ignored/shrugged off by Israel and no response done?
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In a word yes.

What attacks from Hezbollah to start out with?

Hamas has at best a few harmless terrorists throwing little more than rocks and bottles.

Maybe the better Israel strategy would be to defuse the tensions and thereby reduce the attacks. Rather than Israel committing more war crimes while it denies basic human rights to three million people and angers the entire world in the process.

Face the facts EK, Israel can't build a just and viable Israeli State on its Nazi like repression of the Palestinian people.

IT ain't ever going to fly!!!!!!!!!

What started the '06 conflict. Not Israel but Hezbollah. And there were plenty of attacks before Israel said enough.

Hamas has people that try to get into Israel to blow up civilian centers.
Should one happen, you seem to feel that Israel should do nothing?

When a rocket succeeds in hitting a target, Israel should do nothing?

Hezbollah does not have any concern for Palestinians or a Palestinian state.
Neither does Hamas.

Setting up a Palestinian state will just legitimze the attacks by Hamas because they are from the Palestinian state. Then Israel will attack again and the Palestinians as a whole will suffer. They can no longer point to it being a Gaza/HAmas issue - it will be a Palestinian issue.

All the Palestinian people have to do is stop ALL attacks against Israel and agree that Israel has a right to live in peace. But they have refused to do that for the past 60+ years.

They could have had their state back then in '48; they could have had their state (if their "brothers" had allowed it) in '67 and even afterwards. But the Palestinians did not want a state; they wanted Israel.

Let them change their position as a Palestinian nation to show that they deserve a state.