Which side goes outward on foil, dull or shiny?

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scorpmatt

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In that case, they are worried about reflecting the radiation from the oven AWAY from the food. Thus, you want a high thermal emissivity so that the radiant heat helps cook the food rather than just reflect it away.

The dull side has a negligibly higher emissivity than the shiny side, so people mistakenly think it matters. It does not. The difference is negligible and you get a bigger difference depending on how many crinkles you have in the foil (which no one asks about) than the side of the foil to use (which keeps being questioned). And even then the difference still so small that it doesn't matter in cooking.

The only method that where I would consider radiation being an issue during cooking would be whilst using a microwave.... Please, let the uninformed use aluminum foil in a microwave, we need less stupidity in the world.
 

dullard

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What's up with aluminum in the microwave? Never done it.
Small amounts of metal with some exposed food to absorb it? No problem. The waves will bounce off the foil, bounce around the microwave a bit, and end up in the food. Large amounts of metal (especially with sharp edges such as a crease in foil) without much or any exposed food? Sparks and burning stench will be your result.

<- Worked at Arby's a long time ago. When a customer wanted the meat hotter (morons worried about pink beef), we would get fresh meat from the edge of the roast, put it on a wax-lined cardboard tray and give it a quick microwave heat treatment. One day I was in a rush, and put the whole foil wrapped sandwich in the microwave (having forgotten to microwave the meat before assembling the roast beef sandwich). Lots of sparks filled the microwave, lots of stench filled the restaurant for hours.
 
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Zorba

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Where using foil for its heat transfer properties makes sense is when you tent food. To do it properly, there must be a small air gap between the foil and the food, otherwise the heat will conduct from the food to the foil and the foil does nothing.

But if you have a small air gap, you block the natural convection that would normally come off of the a hot food item and if you do it right you turn the air gap into a small insulation layer just like in double pane windows. Air is a very poor conductor of heat, unless it is moving, if you stop the move you massively reduce the heat transfer. So now that you have stopped (significantly slowed) the convection off of your food, you also get the added benefit of a radiative barrier. So a little math:

Assume a food item with a skin temperature of 200, a room temperature of 70, and a room and food emissivity of .8 (typical for light colored latex paint), also assume a full view factor for either condition. So with no radiative barrier the heat transfer from the food would be ~120 BTU/hr-ft^2. With the foil radiative barrier, you knock the emissitivity of the cold body down to 0.01 instead of 0.8, which would reduce to radiative flux to only 1.5 BTU/hr-ft^2.

In conclusion, if you tent the food with a about a 1/2 inch air gap, foil will significantly reduce heat transfer away from your food. If you wrap your food tightly with foil it will still reduce the radiation loss to the room (assuming you don't add too much surface area) but it will not do anything for convection, which is the majority of the loss.

Edit: BTW: Shiny side in would reduce radiation to 1.5 BTU/hr-ft^2, while dull side in would be about 7.5 BTU/hr-ft^2.
 
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Red Squirrel

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At the molecular level the shiny side is more uniform, this results in better reflection rate for higher frequencies (40Ghz and up). Some of the newer government spy satellites operate at frequencies up to 100Ghz, so if you're making a tin foil hat make sure the shiny side is out!
 

brainhulk

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since the EM drive is essentially a microwave, lining it with the shiny side of foil would produce more energy
 

GagHalfrunt

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At the molecular level the shiny side is more uniform, this results in better reflection rate for higher frequencies (40Ghz and up). Some of the newer government spy satellites operate at frequencies up to 100Ghz, so if you're making a tin foil hat make sure the shiny side is out!

No no no!! That's what the government want you to think. Since the black helicopters spend all their time over my house I've had to test this thoroughly. Crinkled is best for tin foil hats. It works like stealth fighters, the crinkles scatter the brain rays so that they don't reflect straight back to the mothership.