I am going to build a new system soon. This is going to be a workstation with ocassional gaming. I need to know which CPU to choose. I have enough money for a NW 2.2GHZ and 1GB of DDR, add an extra $100 then it's 1GB RDRAM or, AXP 2000+ with 1.5 GB DDR.
Which should I get: AXP or NW?
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I would personally go for the ahlon sys, as you said it's gonna be used as workstation.
Is the workstation stuff gonna be like 3DS Max or number crunching or what?
If it's number crunching then go w/ the p4, despite architectural differences, clockspeed is king for number crunching.
3DS Max get the athlon.
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BTW: if you get the p4 don't bother wasting your money on rambus..... the DDR *should* be comparable.
Is the workstation stuff gonna be like 3DS Max or number crunching or what?
If it's number crunching then go w/ the p4, despite architectural differences, clockspeed is king for number crunching.
3DS Max get the athlon.
zs
BTW: if you get the p4 don't bother wasting your money on rambus..... the DDR *should* be comparable.
If it's number crunching then go w/ the p4, despite architectural differences, clockspeed is king for number crunching.
I agree that you should go with the AXP 2000 setup, however the AXP is certainly more suited for number crunching than a Pentium 4 is. Not that there's that big of a difference between the two processors, but the Athlon's math co-processor/FPU is more suited for all types of "number crunching" applications. And actually, 3D MAX Studio on an Athlon or Pentium 4 at their current speeds aren't any different.
I agree that you should go with the AXP 2000 setup, however the AXP is certainly more suited for number crunching than a Pentium 4 is. Not that there's that big of a difference between the two processors, but the Athlon's math co-processor/FPU is more suited for all types of "number crunching" applications. And actually, 3D MAX Studio on an Athlon or Pentium 4 at their current speeds aren't any different.
id go with the NW as you get stability and unsurpassed quality.
the AMD might be faster in some apps. but once sse2 gets implemented in software they wont
the AMD might be faster in some apps. but once sse2 gets implemented in software they wont
< the AMD might be faster in some apps. but once sse2 gets implemented in software they wont >
Already heard those promises and the results in programs where it has been done has not lived up to the billing...By the time it is so readily available in most programs intel will introduce some other sse3 or something that will make the internet run even faster...Some sites have shown most compiling is only making a 10-15 percent difference, which why it is something it does not make up for the major disadvantage in the fpu area...
I would get the athlon if you are going to use it for any 3d or cadd workstation...
If you like to oc, I would have to lean towards the p4 2.2ghz northwood...It is slighly faster then the athlon xp 2000+, but if many can get this bad boy up to 2.7ghz then that would take a helluva overclock by the xp 2000+ to match it, if it could be done...This is ofcourse if you like to play with things...no gaurantee the rest of the system will like the fsb speed though...
Already heard those promises and the results in programs where it has been done has not lived up to the billing...By the time it is so readily available in most programs intel will introduce some other sse3 or something that will make the internet run even faster...Some sites have shown most compiling is only making a 10-15 percent difference, which why it is something it does not make up for the major disadvantage in the fpu area...
I would get the athlon if you are going to use it for any 3d or cadd workstation...
If you like to oc, I would have to lean towards the p4 2.2ghz northwood...It is slighly faster then the athlon xp 2000+, but if many can get this bad boy up to 2.7ghz then that would take a helluva overclock by the xp 2000+ to match it, if it could be done...This is ofcourse if you like to play with things...no gaurantee the rest of the system will like the fsb speed though...
Since you are fortunate enough to be in a MINO position (Money Is No Object), then the key to top performance is memory - and here RDRAM PC800 running at 400MHz is king, followed by DDR PC2100 @ 266 MHz and finally SDRAM PC133 @ 133MHz. This is not to argue what is the best value for the money - simply what runs the fastest. So I would go with the NW 2.2GHz and 1GB RDRAM.
I would go for the Northwood system if it were me, it costs a bit more but you cannot beat the stability of an Intel based system. The Athlon XP is an excellent CPU but, IMO SiS, VIA, and ALi just are not up to par with Intel with their chipsets and are a crippling factor for the Athlon XP.
I'm sure there are people that will disagree with me but I be I could find other posts from half of them with questions as to why their Athlon XP system has issues.
I'm sure there are people that will disagree with me but I be I could find other posts from half of them with questions as to why their Athlon XP system has issues.
Now that AMD has left the chipset business the 761 is a thing of the past an not an option for someone building a system today. Your choices are VIA, SiS, and ALi period. Personally I wish AMD would have continued to make chipsets, they were getting good at it.
I'd go with the XP. You might even be able to go dual CPU AMD and MPX chipset mobo for about the same price as the P4 system if you cut it to "only" 1GB of RAM.
Your choices are VIA, SiS, and ALi period.
Lol, really? I guess AMD and Nvidia don't count, especially since people are reporting excellent stability with both these companies chipsets. Give me a break Yosshi.
I can see where you would whine about VIA chipsets (and ALi maybe), but you're wrong about SiS, they've done a great job with their core logic. If you've had any experience with these motherboard chipsets, then you'd know.
If I were you DocSmarts, I would get an AMD 760MPX motherboard (~$200) and two Athlon XP 1900+ CPU's (~$450 for 2 1900+'s). You'll get the best stability on the market and the performance will be enough to slap around any single 2.2GHz NW setup, and for less money.
Good luck!
Lol, really? I guess AMD and Nvidia don't count, especially since people are reporting excellent stability with both these companies chipsets. Give me a break Yosshi.
I can see where you would whine about VIA chipsets (and ALi maybe), but you're wrong about SiS, they've done a great job with their core logic. If you've had any experience with these motherboard chipsets, then you'd know.
If I were you DocSmarts, I would get an AMD 760MPX motherboard (~$200) and two Athlon XP 1900+ CPU's (~$450 for 2 1900+'s). You'll get the best stability on the market and the performance will be enough to slap around any single 2.2GHz NW setup, and for less money.
Good luck!
I'll give you that I forgot about nVidia's new chipsets, but it's not like they are knocking down the market with them at this time. Also, I for one would not go out and buy thier first generation product, especially if stability and reliability are at stake.
As for SiS, their chipset may be great but who is offering a good board using it. Half the people on this fourm spend their time bitching about their ECS K7S5A giving them headaches.
If you go the dual Athlon route don't forget about the beefy power supply needed to run two of those babies, I bet those are a chunk of change. Not to mention that hardly anyone runs software at home to justify or even utilize two CPU's. And if dual CPU's are required I would trust a chipset from AMD.
In the end I stand by my opinion, there are a lot of half-assed looking AMD platforms out there. Every review I have seen of the P4 with Intel i845D DDR or i850 RDRAM platform says it is rock stable. To me that is worth it over the extra couple percent of performance.
There is your break.
BTW I currently have an i440BX running with a 133Mhz FSB and a PIII for two years with no problems, yeah it's old but I'm looking forward to a Northwood based upgrade later in the year. I have a VIA KT133 setup with a Duron in the other room that constantly needs new 4 in 1 drivers and is plagued by minor issues.
As for SiS, their chipset may be great but who is offering a good board using it. Half the people on this fourm spend their time bitching about their ECS K7S5A giving them headaches.
If you go the dual Athlon route don't forget about the beefy power supply needed to run two of those babies, I bet those are a chunk of change. Not to mention that hardly anyone runs software at home to justify or even utilize two CPU's. And if dual CPU's are required I would trust a chipset from AMD.
In the end I stand by my opinion, there are a lot of half-assed looking AMD platforms out there. Every review I have seen of the P4 with Intel i845D DDR or i850 RDRAM platform says it is rock stable. To me that is worth it over the extra couple percent of performance.
There is your break.
BTW I currently have an i440BX running with a 133Mhz FSB and a PIII for two years with no problems, yeah it's old but I'm looking forward to a Northwood based upgrade later in the year. I have a VIA KT133 setup with a Duron in the other room that constantly needs new 4 in 1 drivers and is plagued by minor issues.
Whatever dude, now you are practically being a troll. Reviewers rave about the stablility and I don't see anyone around here complaining about them...chances are they are stable.
And in regards to your MPX comment above, AMD will quit producing that when someone else releases a chipset to do the job. AMD made if very apparent that they are in business to make CPUs not chipsets. Really it is sad.
And in regards to your MPX comment above, AMD will quit producing that when someone else releases a chipset to do the job. AMD made if very apparent that they are in business to make CPUs not chipsets. Really it is sad.
I've had hands-on experience with an Intel i815e, nForce 420D and AMD 761 system. They've all been equally stable.
A friend with an nForce system says it is every bit as stable as his old 440BX system, which is commonly considered to be the most stable chipset to come out in the past few years.
Anyone who talks about the instability of AMD systems has either had really really bad luck and got a "bad" component(although unlikely), or they just can't setup a computer. Of course, I'd bet most of the Intelverts haven't ever touched an AMD powered system.
Bottom line is that both AMD and Intel make fast and stable chips, and Intel charges more for the same performance(which is a fact, not opinion).
A friend with an nForce system says it is every bit as stable as his old 440BX system, which is commonly considered to be the most stable chipset to come out in the past few years.
Anyone who talks about the instability of AMD systems has either had really really bad luck and got a "bad" component(although unlikely), or they just can't setup a computer. Of course, I'd bet most of the Intelverts haven't ever touched an AMD powered system.
Bottom line is that both AMD and Intel make fast and stable chips, and Intel charges more for the same performance(which is a fact, not opinion).
For W/station...XP seems a better option. Its cheaper & stable. Most AMD chipset mobo has matured & stability issues I would say is NOT a major concern. Performance wise...AMD is always slightly better than Intel on "W/station" application. Gaming on AMD is good as well.
<<I don't see anyone around here complaining about them>>
thats because few people here have them, and if they do, their system was probably made by dell
and we all have to admit that there are some morons on this board that can set up their athlon systems correctly
thats because few people here have them, and if they do, their system was probably made by dell
and we all have to admit that there are some morons on this board that can set up their athlon systems correctly
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