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Which Processor??

T

The Green Bean

Diamond Member
Im thiking of upgrading my processor...I have 3 choices...

1. A64 2800 newcastle for Rs.10000
2. A64 3200 clahammer Rs15000
3. A64 3400 newcastle Rs20000

So which one?
 
budget?
what will you be using it for?

seems a bit weird to ask like this.
most people would just say "3400" since it's fastest, butthe 2800 could be fine for what you use the PC for, and save you $.
 
Originally posted by: Abix
None. 3000+ Winchester.
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He asked an opinion based on those choices.

A64 3400 newcastle is faster than a 3500 Winchester for multithreading and runs at a higher speed.
 
just get the 2800

the 3200 is not worth 1.5* as much as the 2800, and the 3400 is definately not worht twice as much as the 2800
 
Ill wait...I might be able to get a 3000+ winchester in a week or two....Probably is as expensive as the 3200 clawhammer...

Is the A64 2800+ a decent upgrade over my current proc? And whats the OC potential? And 1$ = 60Rs ...Intel chips are more closer to US prices but intel sux for gaming...I play games like HL2, Pacific Assault, zero hour, at 1024*1280....Any point upgrading my proc??? And I am getting 8,500Rs for my current mobo and proc..
 
A64 3400 newcastle is faster than a 3500 Winchester for multithreading and runs at a higher speed
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Can you explain why the Newcastle is faster than the Winchester? I was under the impression that the Winchesters were slightly faster.
 
Originally posted by: CalvinHobbes
A64 3400 newcastle is faster than a 3500 Winchester for multithreading and runs at a higher speed
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Can you explain why the Newcastle is faster than the Winchester? I was under the impression that the Winchesters were slightly faster.
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higher clock speeds is probably what does it 🙂
 
Originally posted by: CalvinHobbes
A64 3400 newcastle is faster than a 3500 Winchester for multithreading and runs at a higher speed
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Can you explain why the Newcastle is faster than the Winchester? I was under the impression that the Winchesters were slightly faster.
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Benchmarks have shown Winchester is faster than Newcastle. As for multithreading, Newcastle has neither dual cores or Hyperthreading so I have no clue where is got this crazy Idea came from.

Edited, for dislexic reasons.
 
2. A64 3200 clahammer Rs15000 , Why when a 3200 winchester is clock for clock faster and cheaper. Also winchester fixes some of the problems that were present in previous generations of the hammers and newcastles. My Pick is a winchester 3500+ for $280 last time i checked Newegg.com
 
My pick is still the 3000+ Winchester for a mere $151 OEM at Newegg instead of $299 for the 3500+. I dont see any reason to get a 3200 or 3500 when almost everyone has been getting overclockages well over the 2.0/2.2Ghz that the 3200/3500 comes at stock. The *average* overclockage with the 3000 seems to be about 2.6ghz or so.

Of course, that *is* overclocked and you *could* damage your CPU by doing it. If you dont feel confident overclocking, or you really just want to double the price of the CPU, then go for the 3500+, otherwise, grab the sexy 3000+.
 
Originally posted by: Abix
My pick is still the 3000+ Winchester for a mere $151 OEM at Newegg instead of $299 for the 3500+. I dont see any reason to get a 3200 or 3500 when almost everyone has been getting overclockages well over the 2.0/2.2Ghz that the 3200/3500 comes at stock. The *average* overclockage with the 3000 seems to be about 2.6ghz or so.

Of course, that *is* overclocked and you *could* damage your CPU by doing it. If you dont feel confident overclocking, or you really just want to double the price of the CPU, then go for the 3500+, otherwise, grab the sexy 3000+.
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Not all of us want to overclock our hardware, some would rather have data integrity and system stability over cheap thrills.

Also while you maybe able to overclock a 3000+ to 3500+. But a 3500 will overclock(3ghz) much higher than a 3000(2.2-2.3ghz).
 
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Abix
My pick is still the 3000+ Winchester for a mere $151 OEM at Newegg instead of $299 for the 3500+. I dont see any reason to get a 3200 or 3500 when almost everyone has been getting overclockages well over the 2.0/2.2Ghz that the 3200/3500 comes at stock. The *average* overclockage with the 3000 seems to be about 2.6ghz or so.

Of course, that *is* overclocked and you *could* damage your CPU by doing it. If you dont feel confident overclocking, or you really just want to double the price of the CPU, then go for the 3500+, otherwise, grab the sexy 3000+.
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Not all of us want to overclock our hardware, some would rather have data integrity and system stability over cheap thrills.

Also while you maybe able to overclock a 3000+ to 3500+. But a 3500 will overclock(3ghz) much higher than a 3000(2.2-2.3ghz).
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Cheap thrills?

Lets review:
3000+ - $151, 1.8Ghz stock. Can overclock to ~2.6Ghz
3500+ - $299, 2.2Ghz stock. Can overclock to ~3.0Ghz

A 3000+ can easily hit stock 3500+ speeds(2.2Ghz[a $299 value]) with air cooling and stock vcore. Easily overclocking a CPU that costs $151 to the speed of a processor that costs $299 is "cheap thrills?" Please. Also, if you know what youre doing with the amazing 3000+ Winchester, a overclock from 1.8Ghz to 2.2Ghz shouldnt give you a single "data integrity" or "system stability" problem.

The issue here is best bang for buck. The 3000+ wins. The 3500+ loses. But hey, if you want your rendering/compiling/FPS just a tad bit faster/faster/higher, go with the overpriced 3500+ and overclock.
 
Originally posted by: CalvinHobbes
A64 3400 newcastle is faster than a 3500 Winchester for multithreading and runs at a higher speed
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Can you explain why the Newcastle is faster than the Winchester? I was under the impression that the Winchesters were slightly faster.
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Faster clock speed

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http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/images/chart_006.png
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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: CalvinHobbes
A64 3400 newcastle is faster than a 3500 Winchester for multithreading and runs at a higher speed
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Can you explain why the Newcastle is faster than the Winchester? I was under the impression that the Winchesters were slightly faster.
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Benchmarks have shown Winchester is faster than Newcastle. As for multithreading, Newcastle has neither dual cores or Hyperthreading so I have no Idea where is got this crazy one.
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I have no Idea where is got this crazy one.... Dual core? Where does it say anywhere that the Winchester is going dual core?

I just put up about 10 benches showing the 3400 Newcastle beating the 3500 Winchester in tests. Thanks.
 
Winchester isnt going dual core. Socket 939 is going to get dual core processors. Socket 754 is not going to get dual core processors.

PS - Your linkages got owned Chosonman.
 
Originally posted by: Abix
Winchester isnt going dual core. Socket 939 is going to get dual core processors. Socket 754 is not going to get dual core processors.
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And yes, the rumors I've heard was the Winchester core will NOT be going dual core. But AMD might make a 939 socket processor that may be used for dual core but not based on the Winchester core.
 
Originally posted by: Abix
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Abix
My pick is still the 3000+ Winchester for a mere $151 OEM at Newegg instead of $299 for the 3500+. I dont see any reason to get a 3200 or 3500 when almost everyone has been getting overclockages well over the 2.0/2.2Ghz that the 3200/3500 comes at stock. The *average* overclockage with the 3000 seems to be about 2.6ghz or so.

Of course, that *is* overclocked and you *could* damage your CPU by doing it. If you dont feel confident overclocking, or you really just want to double the price of the CPU, then go for the 3500+, otherwise, grab the sexy 3000+.
Click to expand...


Not all of us want to overclock our hardware, some would rather have data integrity and system stability over cheap thrills.

Also while you maybe able to overclock a 3000+ to 3500+. But a 3500 will overclock(3ghz) much higher than a 3000(2.2-2.3ghz).
Click to expand...
Cheap thrills?

Lets review:
3000+ - $151, 1.8Ghz stock. Can overclock to ~2.6Ghz
3500+ - $299, 2.2Ghz stock. Can overclock to ~3.0Ghz

A 3000+ can easily hit stock 3500+ speeds(2.2Ghz[a $299 value]) with air cooling and stock vcore. Easily overclocking a CPU that costs $151 to the speed of a processor that costs $299 is "cheap thrills?" Please. Also, if you know what youre doing with the amazing 3000+ Winchester, a overclock from 1.8Ghz to 2.2Ghz shouldnt give you a single "data integrity" or "system stability" problem.

The issue here is best bang for buck. The 3000+ wins. The 3500+ loses. But hey, if you want your rendering/compiling/FPS just a tad bit faster/faster/higher, go with the overpriced 3500+ and overclock.
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I was not reffering to the cost, when I said "cheap thrills"
 
Originally posted by: Abix
Winchester isnt going dual core. Socket 939 is going to get dual core processors. Socket 754 is not going to get dual core processors.

PS - Your linkages got owned Chosonman.
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Answer:
Toledo will be dual core, It will contain Two San Diago Cores. San Diago will replace Wincheser and support sse3, It will also be tweaked with SOI and other goodies. San Diago will also fix some of the revision problems in Winchester. The same way Winchester fixed Problems that Newcastle had.

Sandiego is due out in the first quarter of '05. Still waiting.

In responce to the other question asked:
Winchester 3000+ is clocked slower but maintains its 3000+ rating because it was built on a smaller process. That smaller process (90nm) alows electrons to pass through the chip faster than Newcasle's 130nm process. That is how Winchester 3000+ is faster than Newcasle despite it's slower speed and performs on PAR or better than newcastle in benchmarks.

Winchester 3500+ and Newcastle 3500+ both run at 2.2ghz, but Winchester again is 5-15% faster than newcastle because of the smaller manufactureing process.
 
Originally posted by: Chosonman
Originally posted by: Abix

PS - Your linkages got owned Chosonman.
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Please explain?
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When *I* click the links you gave, I get a nice little picture of a Hammer with 'tom's hardware guide' writeen underneath. Im relatively sure you didnt mean to post that 10 times.

Originally posted by: GoogerI was not reffering to the cost, when I said "cheap thrills"
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Then what were you referring to?
 
Originally posted by: Abix
Originally posted by: Chosonman
Originally posted by: Abix

PS - Your linkages got owned Chosonman.
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Please explain?
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When *I* click the links you gave, I get a nice little picture of a Hammer with 'tom's hardware guide' writeen underneath. Im relatively sure you didnt mean to post that 10 times.

Originally posted by: GoogerI was not reffering to the cost, when I said "cheap thrills"
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Then what were you referring to?
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The joy some people get out of overclocking and compromising there systems.
 
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