Which Presidents do you think were TRUE conservatives? Which ones are Marxists?

[Rock Hydra]

I'd say Warren G Harding, John Tyler, and Grover Cleveland. Grover Cleveland is listed under "conservatives" (along with Ron Paul and Ann Coulter) in wikipedia, and Harding's leanings were said to be conservative.

By "TRUE conservative", I mean Presidents who supported sound money, a non-interventionist foreign policy, states' rights/10th Amendment, balanced budgets, and limitations on immigration.

I'd say the most New Left President was Herbert Hoover--he was the closest to Karl Marx (far-left), other than his pro-prohibition stance and the Mexican Repatriation.

An early neocon was probably James Polk. LBJ was a neocon, as he was not hostile to the welfare state and he was a staunch supporter of foreign intervention and Israel.

George Bush and Reagan weren't very conservative (neither socially nor economically), but rather they're very neoconservative.

It doesn't matter, IMO. People who call themselves Government have no duty to protect, nor have a statutory obligation do anything and make us pay for their campaigns via thef-....er taxation. I think the group people that call themselves "Government" have outlived their usefulness.


It's tough. though to answer your question, Kennedy (my opinion) was probably the best (some brackets, he cut taxes 50%, opposed private off-shore central banking [the Federal Reserve] and secret societies) after all the wars this centry concocted by the Military Industrial Complex and the huge banking cartels. I mean...the MIC and LBJ wiped him out so he had to be pretty good. and...LBJ....he's like the epicenter of "Government" sponsored terrorism, along with all those other Bilderburger eugenicists, and Bohemian Grove circle-jerkers.

I do have to hand it to Clinton though....it takes a lot of balls to declassify the fact that Gulf of Tonkin was a lie.

 

[Rock Hydra]

Considering our President's serve only 4 years, and at most 8 years its better to ask which Senators are Conservative vs Marxist. The Senate can and usually does serve for life [unlimited term limits], and their influence by being there for "life" vs a meager 4 years is immense on national policy over time. Thats not to say a really strong President cannot have a effect, they can. But in general the Senate is where the power really lies. If any group is "pulling" the strings from behind the scene it is them.

Shatter the left-right paradigm. also, PDD51 = President is a Dictator and Congress is ceremonial, Homeland Security usurps everything. Thanks, Pappy Bush. :vomit:

You need to re-think that bolded part....whichever institution prints the fiat money pulls the strings of whoever uses it. [FED, World Bank, IMF]

 

[Siddhartha]

I can tell you which posters are truly ignorant when it comes to the definition of "Marxist".

Yeah, I was thinking that the OP needs to look up the definition of "Marxist". Or maybe he is trying to use the Red Scare on past POTUS with whom he disagrees.

 

[ShawnD1]

You are a tool. One you think its cool a President got shot and two, clearly you never got out of high school, because you don't have the faintest clue what marxism is.

hillary clinton is a marxist because he supports taking money from pay checks to give to union police fat cats who offer protection to everyone regardless of their wage. in an ideal liberal society i would carry a revolver on my hip and let it deal justice as needed. people who can't buy their own gun don't deserve that kind of protection because they're too lazy to get real jobs to afford one.

 

[Thump553]

I'd say Warren G Harding, John Tyler, and Grover Cleveland. Grover Cleveland is listed under "conservatives" (along with Ron Paul and Ann Coulter) in wikipedia, and Harding's leanings were said to be conservative.

By "TRUE conservative", I mean Presidents who supported sound money, a non-interventionist foreign policy, states' rights/10th Amendment, balanced budgets, and limitations on immigration.

I'd say the most New Left President was Herbert Hoover--he was the closest to Karl Marx (far-left), other than his pro-prohibition stance and the Mexican Repatriation.

An early neocon was probably James Polk. LBJ was a neocon, as he was not hostile to the welfare state and he was a staunch supporter of foreign intervention and Israel.

George Bush and Reagan weren't very conservative (neither socially nor economically), but rather they're very neoconservative.

I never cease to be amazed at the stuff Anacharist420 spouts-it's like he has a bunch of disassociated factoids in his head and links them together in random form.

Herbert Hoover was rigidly conservative-in fact it was his rigidness that turned a relatively routine stock market crash and recession into the Great Depression. He did what teabaggers urge today-cut governement spending-at the absolute worst time. He was the classic conservative of his time-small government, gold standard, protectionist tariffs.

BTW, the prohibition was supported by factions from both the left and right, ranging as far as the KKK and the suffergate movement. Read Last Call: The Rise and Fall of Prohibition by Daniel Okrent, one of the best political books I have read in many a year. He charts out how a dedicated minority manuvered their way into getting a Constitutional amendment (2/3 of Senate and states must approve). There was nothing left or right, as such, about the Prohibition-it was all about demon rum and legislating morality.

 

[Fern]

This is a good question. Anarchist420 is like the Ron Paul of this forum. I really want to see the conservatives' response.

As a conservative my response is that we've never had a marxist president. IMO, it's pretty silly to even suggest that we have.

Fern

 

[peonyu]

Shatter the left-right paradigm. also, PDD51 = President is a Dictator and Congress is ceremonial, Homeland Security usurps everything. Thanks, Pappy Bush. :vomit:

You need to re-think that bolded part....whichever institution prints the fiat money pulls the strings of whoever uses it. [FED, World Bank, IMF]

Well the question in general from the OP is far to vague. With the current system a President can be a closet Marxist and so what. Hes gone in a few years. The Life term Senate on the other hand sticks around [the Kennedys come to mind for power whoring].

You can change your underwear but if you dont shower your still going to stink. President = Underwear. Senate = Showering. As far as the FED, World Bank, and IMF goes they do have obscene influence but thats another topic in itself.

 

[zinfamous]

I'd say Warren G Harding, John Tyler, and Grover Cleveland. Grover Cleveland is listed under "conservatives" (along with Ron Paul and Ann Coulter) in wikipedia, and Harding's leanings were said to be conservative.

why do you list some of the most unremarkable presidents?

in fact, Harding wasn't exactly unremarkable--he is often considered the worst president.

 

[zinfamous]

As a conservative my response is that we've never had a marxist president. IMO, it's pretty silly to even suggest that we have.

Fern

The New Deal was probably the closest thing to "true Marxism" that we have seen in this country.

 

[zinfamous]

If ATOT were around in 1773, Spidey would be telling Samuel Adams to quit hassling the honest hard-working men of the East India Company, shut his crazy hippie mouth, and get a real job.

lol

 

[Rainsford]

As a conservative my response is that we've never had a marxist president. IMO, it's pretty silly to even suggest that we have.

Fern

It's as ridiculous as asking whether or not we've ever had a "Nazi" president, with the notable difference that you don't hear that accusation nearly as much.

 

[dualsmp]

Last president to support sound money was Kennedy issuing ~4 billion in silver certificates to compete with the Fed Reserve note. Probably the main reason he was assassinated. Banksters don't like competition.

 

[Anarchist420]

why do you list some of the most unremarkable presidents?

in fact, Harding wasn't exactly unremarkable--he is often considered the worst president.

That's because he stopped a depression with minimal government interference, and mainstream scholars don't like that.

The New Deal was probably the closest thing to "true Marxism" that we have seen in this country.

I disagree. The New Deal had a lot of corporatist elements.

It's as ridiculous as asking whether or not we've ever had a "Nazi" president, with the notable difference that you don't hear that accusation nearly as much.

FDR was the closest to a Nazi. Like Adolf Hitler, he had a New Deal. Like Adolf Hitler, he had a group of people sent to concentration camps. Like Adolf Hitler, he believed all firearms should belong to the state.

If we had a President who actually cared about people at that time, then the Holocaust wouldn't have happened.

 

[hal2kilo]

That's because he stopped a depression with minimal government interference, and mainstream scholars don't like that.


I disagree. The New Deal had a lot of corporatist elements.

FDR was the closest to a Nazi. Like Adolf Hitler, he had a New Deal. Like Adolf Hitler, he had a group of people sent to concentration camps. Like Adolf Hitler, he believed all firearms should belong to the state.

If we had a President who actually cared about people at that time, then the Holocaust wouldn't have happened.

When ones mind is like a sieve, it's amazing what information gets filtered out.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Last president to support sound money was Kennedy issuing ~4 billion in silver certificates to compete with the Fed Reserve note. Probably the main reason he was assassinated. Banksters don't like competition.

Nice try.
Silver Certificates were Federal Reserve notes; they were a demand note, which could be redeemed on demand for silver.

 

[dualsmp]

Nice try.
Silver Certificates were Federal Reserve notes; they were a demand note, which could be redeemed on demand for silver.

Silver certificates are not *notes*.

A "note", according to The Dictionary of Banking Terms, 4th Ed., by Thomas P. Fitch, is "legal evidence of a debt or obligation".

 

[CallMeJoe]

Silver certificates are not *notes*.
A "note", according to The Dictionary of Banking Terms, 4th Ed., by Thomas P. Fitch, is "legal evidence of a debt or obligation".

Nice pictures. Exactly what do you think they prove?

A Silver Certificate is indeed a "note", specifically a Federal Reserve Note which, until March 25, 1964, was redeemable for silver dollars and until June 24, 1968 was redeemable for silver bullion. You imply that, prior to 1964, Silver Certificates were circulated in competition with Federal Reserve Notes - which they were not.

 

[dualsmp]

You've said a silver certificate is a note three times. I can't help you. Look on a silver certificate and find the word "note". Now pull out all the debt obligations in your wallet. They are all "notes". It says "note" on the top of every denomination.

 

[CallMeJoe]

You've said a silver certificate is a note three times. I can't help you. Look on a silver certificate and find the word "note". Now pull out all the debt obligations in your wallet. They are all "notes". It says "note" on the top of every denomination.

I doubt it says "dense" on your forehead, either.

"In Silver payable to the bearer on demand". How is that not a "debt or obligation"?

 

[dualsmp]

I doubt it says "dense" on your forehead, either.

"In Silver payable to the bearer on demand". How is that not a "debt or obligation"?

Did you find the word "note" on the silver certificate yet? Let me know.

 

[dali71]

Nice pictures. Exactly what do you think they prove?

A Silver Certificate is indeed a "note", specifically a Federal Reserve Note which, until March 25, 1964, was redeemable for silver dollars and until June 24, 1968 was redeemable for silver bullion. You imply that, prior to 1964, Silver Certificates were circulated in competition with Federal Reserve Notes - which they were not.

A 1934 5 dollar Silver Certificate:

A 1934 5 dollar Federal Reserve Note:

Both were in circulation well before 1964, so I'm not sure what you were trying to say.

 

[Rainsford]

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FDR was the closest to a Nazi. Like Adolf Hitler, he had a New Deal. Like Adolf Hitler, he had a group of people sent to concentration camps. Like Adolf Hitler, he believed all firearms should belong to the state.

If we had a President who actually cared about people at that time, then the Holocaust wouldn't have happened.

FDR is also frequently called a socialist as well...he can't be both.

In any case, Hitler also supported a strong military. Many Republicans support a strong military. Therefore many Republicans are Hitler? Clearly there is a problem with this logic...

 

[CallMeJoe]

Did you find the word "note" on the silver certificate yet? Let me know.

So it's not a "note" unless it has the word "note" explicitly printed on it...

 

[CallMeJoe]

A 1934 5 dollar Silver Certificate:...
A 1934 5 dollar Federal Reserve Note:...
Both were in circulation well before 1964, so I'm not sure what you were trying to say.

I stand corrected.
I remember when Federal Reserve Notes were issued in replacement of Silver Certificates in 1964, and did not recall ever seeing Federal Reserve Notes in circulation before that.

I note (per Wikipedia) that prior to 1934 Reserve Notes were redeemable for gold or silver, but starting in 1934 they were redeemable for United States citizens only in silver. That may be why explicit Silver Certificates were issued starting in 1934; do you know if bills printed "Federal Reserve Note" were issued between 1934 and 1964?

 

[dualsmp]

So it's not a "note" unless it has the word "note" explicitly printed on it...

That is correct. Federal reserve notes are a for profit enterprise and are debt obligations, hence the word "note".