Which Presidents do you think were TRUE conservatives? Which ones are Marxists?

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Anarchist420

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I'd say Warren G Harding, John Tyler, and Grover Cleveland. Grover Cleveland is listed under "conservatives" (along with Ron Paul and Ann Coulter) in wikipedia, and Harding's leanings were said to be conservative.

By "TRUE conservative", I mean Presidents who supported sound money, a non-interventionist foreign policy, states' rights/10th Amendment, balanced budgets, and limitations on immigration.

I'd say the most New Left President was Herbert Hoover--he was the closest to Karl Marx (far-left), other than his pro-prohibition stance and the Mexican Repatriation.

An early neocon was probably James Polk. LBJ was a neocon, as he was not hostile to the welfare state and he was a staunch supporter of foreign intervention and Israel.

George Bush and Reagan weren't very conservative (neither socially nor economically), but rather they're very neoconservative.
 
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Yawn. Everybody knows that there aren't any classical conservatives left any more. There aren't any "real" liberals either. Labels like "conservative" and "liberal" are like fashion. Whatever fashion is at the moment, that's fashion. It doesn't matter that fashion now is different than fashion ten years ago. So when you say someone is out of fashion, you implicitly mean that they are out of today's fashion and not out of yesterday's fashion. So neoconservatism is conservatism. Clinton liberalism is liberalism. Both of these stances have elements that are in direct conflict with the conservatism and liberalism of days yore.

Remember that once upon a time being a conservative meant that you supported King George and George Washington was a crazy liberal!

In other news: war between federalism and states rights over! All politicians sellouts! Politicians will say anything to get into office!
 
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Bill Clinton was the closest president I can remember to an actual physcal conservative. Mainly he just cut the military and did almost nothing while he was in office.

I am not saying that debt is bad if it is kept within limits. Maybe we need to keep the debt within some kind of mathematical formula.
 
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zephyrprime said:
Remember that once upon a time being a conservative meant that you supported King George and George Washington was a crazy liberal!
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If ATOT were around in 1773, Spidey would be telling Samuel Adams to quit hassling the honest hard-working men of the East India Company, shut his crazy hippie mouth, and get a real job.
 
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The ones you dont hear about. Killers and huge govt makers are the famous ones. Lincoln, Wilson, FDR etc
 
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Considering our President's serve only 4 years, and at most 8 years its better to ask which Senators are Conservative vs Marxist. The Senate can and usually does serve for life [unlimited term limits], and their influence by being there for "life" vs a meager 4 years is immense on national policy over time. Thats not to say a really strong President cannot have a effect, they can. But in general the Senate is where the power really lies. If any group is "pulling" the strings from behind the scene it is them.
 
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dainthomas said:
If ATOT were around in 1773, Spidey would be telling Samuel Adams to quit hassling the honest hard-working men of the East India Company, shut his crazy hippie mouth, and get a real job.
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And LegendKiller would be saying that we should lend the East India company some money or else we will all suffer the consequences!
 
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Anarchist420 said:
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An early neocon was probably James Polk. LBJ was a neocon, as he was not hostile to the welfare state and he was a staunch supporter of foreign intervention and Israel.
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you obviously have no idea about the historical beginnings of neocons.
 
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Rainsford

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THESE are the two choices? Either you can be a "true conservative" or you can be a Marxist? Not only is the idea of only two options pretty ridiculous, but it's even worse when the only two choices are at totally opposite ends of the political spectrum.
 
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Anarchist420 said:
I'd say Warren G Harding, John Tyler, and Grover Cleveland. Grover Cleveland is listed under "conservatives" (along with Ron Paul and Ann Coulter) in wikipedia, and Harding's leanings were said to be conservative.

By "TRUE conservative", I mean Presidents who supported sound money, a non-interventionist foreign policy, states' rights/10th Amendment, balanced budgets, and limitations on immigration.

I'd say the most New Left President was Herbert Hoover--he was the closest to Karl Marx (far-left), other than his pro-prohibition stance and the Mexican Repatriation.

An early neocon was probably James Polk. LBJ was a neocon, as he was not hostile to the welfare state and he was a staunch supporter of foreign intervention and Israel.

George Bush and Reagan weren't very conservative (neither socially nor economically), but rather they're very neoconservative.
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President Groucho was a Marxist.
 
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classy

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ShawnD1 said:
obamacare is true marxist. hillary clinton too. good thing jfk was shot before he brought marxism to the US.
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You are a tool. One you think its cool a President got shot and two, clearly you never got out of high school, because you don't have the faintest clue what marxism is.
 
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