Which person do you think mastered his/her sport better than anyone else?

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: rh71
I'm so sick of seeing gretzky recognized as "the great one". Sure he had great passing ability but a lot of the points came against goalies who were half the size of today's and couldn't make a semi-difficult stop to save their life. They flopped around and hoped the puck hit them. Anyone with any amount of skill (above the avg NHLer) could pile up points.

92 goals? Try that against today's athletic & strong defensemen and goalies. Record-books my @$$.

In his prime, Mario was better than Gretzky. Not his fault he was injured.

 

[Homerboy]

I dunno Jim Thorpe pretty much owned anyone in anything the guy tried.

 

[sao123]

m jordan loses 5 points for trying to play baseball for the whitesox.


m lemieux
L armstrong
m tyson in his prime
b bonds

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: sao123
m jordan loses 5 points for trying to play baseball for the whitesox.


m lemieux
L armstrong
m tyson in his prime

While a cycling fan myself (especially during Lance's reign) with the entire sport being tainted in drug/doping scandals, I just can't nominate him. If TRULY clean (as much as any athlete truly is) he destroyed. But tainted? I just can't give it to him

Tyson was a freaking wrecking. No question.

 

[Safeway]

Lance Armstrong doped. 100%. In order to be a contender in the world of competitive cycling, you have to dope. End of story.

A team manager once told a friend of mine, "Look. We dope. They dope. Everybody dopes. And if you are going to stay on this team, you will dope, too."

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: oboeguy
As for my vote: Lance Armstrong. Seven Tours de France in a row? Nuts. In short, the guy knew how to win.

Nice choice of words there....

I don't know enough about cricket to comment, but the guy in the OP seems decent at it. Wilt the Stilt is a fairly obvious choice, but he was also 8 inches taller than most players in the league when he was playing, so the competition wasn't as fierce as it could have been. Michael Jordan played amongst some of the best players to ever grace the game of basketball and still dominated the game, so I think his achievements are arguably greater than Wilt's.

Carl Lewis was pretty damn badass. Gold medals in four consecutive Olympic games? That's hardcore.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: sao123
m jordan loses 5 points for trying to play baseball for the whitesox.


m lemieux
L armstrong
m tyson in his prime
b bonds

Barry fucking Bonds? Are you shitting me? Guys like Willie Mays destroy the game before steroids came into play. Bonds, meanwhile, needs to use artificial substances to get his performance to match that of Mays. Fuck that. On the list of greatest athletes ever, dopers need not apply.

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: Safeway
Lance Armstrong doped. 100%. In order to be a contender in the world of competitive cycling, you have to dope. End of story.

A team manager once told a friend of mine, "Look. We dope. They dope. Everybody dopes. And if you are going to stay on this team, you will dope, too."

Do you have any proof? God, you're a fuckin retard. They tried time and time again to prove that he doped, and NO ONE COULD. My dad was riding with him a couple weeks ago on some mtb trails and he said Lance just smoked him and a few of the others - and the other pro that was riding with Lance had trouble keeping up ... on a track that everyone but Lance has been riding for 5-7 years ... oh and it was Lance's first time.

 

[gsellis]

Senna > Shuie

Add Mike Stewart and Kelly Slater.

 

[OdiN]

Roger Federer, Andre Agassi, Pete Sampras

Agassi has to be on that list simply because of the level of sportsmanship and class - top notch guy.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: dandruff

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Michael Schumacher.

\thread

MS ... end thread!

I give props to Formula One, b/c unlike Nascar, it is racing. But I wouldn't put drivers in the same categories as athletes--same with golfers. Individuals can certainly dominate their game (golf is a game, not a sport ), not all should be considered athletes. Schumacher is certainly a badass, as is Tiger, but not really comparable to athletes.

I will say this about Tiger: if there ever was a golfer with the skill and conditioning to match an athlete, it would be him. c'mon...they don't even carry their own freaking clubs!

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
So many candidates in the US alone... MJ, Ali, Gretzky, Woods, Ruth, Brown.. but it's not any one of them.

Where is Gretzky from? Silly me, I thought he was from Ontario.

I was thinking this myself...

I still have The Great One at the top of my list.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
So many candidates in the US alone... MJ, Ali, Gretzky, Woods, Ruth, Brown.. but it's not any one of them.

Where is Gretzky from? Silly me, I thought he was from Ontario.

Right... United States Lite.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: dandruff

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Michael Schumacher.

\thread

MS ... end thread!

F1 noobs :roll:
Even Schumacher admits Fangio was better.

 

[sourceninja]

I'm tellin ya, it's this guy http://www.youtube.com/results...ch_type=&search=Search

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Michael Schumacher.

\thread

winnar!

This thread is about who has the best equipment in their sport, right?

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Michael Schumacher.

\thread

winnar!

This thread is about who has the best equipment in their sport, right?

Ron Jeremy?

 

[chuckywang]

I'd like to add Cael Sanderson to this list.

You can't argue with 159-0.

 

[Kirby]

Bo Jackson?

 

[Midnight Rambler]

I give props to Formula One, b/c unlike Nascar, it is racing. But I wouldn't put drivers in the same categories as athletes--same with golfers.

What a silly statement - about racers, agree on golf though.

With the exception of NASCAR and similar series, most drivers have to be in fantastic physical condition to withstand the cornering AND braking G-forces, extremely hostile conditions (heat, etc.), intense pressure, etc. Many drivers are becoming excellent tri-athletes, cyclists, etc., just in the process of their racing conditioning.

Michael Andretti, in the latter part of his career as a racer, became a major fitness buff (helps when you marry a 20 yr. old fitness instructor !). Anyways, one of the major fitness mags did an extensive article on his regimen, backed up with their own testing of him. Some pretty impressive stuff/figures, esp. for a guy in his early 40's. And during the Indy 500 he AVERAGED over 160 heartbeats/min. That's for several hours mind you. Average person = dead.

And try an F1 car under braking if you're not in shape. They'll be looking for your head somewhere in the infield ... after it snapped off during the braking.

As for the person who is dead certain Lance doped, do you work for L' Equipe ? Just food for thought ... in 1999, 2 yrs. before EPO testing was approved, let alone implemented, the Tour and WADA tested Lance 24 TIMES FOR EPO leading up to, and during the race. No user could ever pass the hundreds of tests Lance has, not every single one every single time. Of course, those who think otherwise also believe Floyd Landis doped. I'd just like to know how, after 14 days' worth of negative tests, you just suddenly have a massive testosterone spike on Day 17, and that day only. No "accuser" can explain that. And no "experienced steroid user" is stupid enough to think that a single day's administation could provide even an inkling of benefit.

On the subject of Tiger Woods ... yeah, he's good, but waaaaaaaaay overrated. Take away today's high tech equipment, "perfect courses", etc., and he would not have beaten "The Golden Bear" or Arnie. I think that's the big thing with Tiger, he has no competition of high enough merit to justify equating him to Jack or Arnie, whereas Jack and Arnie went head to head.

Finally, major kudos to the person who noted Jim Thorpe ...

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: Midnight Rambler

I give props to Formula One, b/c unlike Nascar, it is racing. But I wouldn't put drivers in the same categories as athletes--same with golfers.

What a silly statement - about racers, agree on golf though.

With the exception of NASCAR and similar series, most drivers have to be in fantastic physical condition to withstand the cornering AND braking G-forces, extremely hostile conditions (heat, etc.), intense pressure, etc. Many drivers are becoming excellent tri-athletes, cyclists, etc., just in the process of their racing conditioning.

Michael Andretti, in the latter part of his career as a racer, became a major fitness buff (helps when you marry a 20 yr. old fitness instructor !). Anyways, one of the major fitness mags did an extensive article on his regimen, backed up with their own testing of him. Some pretty impressive stuff/figures, esp. for a guy in his early 40's. And during the Indy 500 he AVERAGED over 160 heartbeats/min. That's for several hours mind you. Average person = dead.

And try an F1 car under braking if you're not in shape. They'll be looking for your head somewhere in the infield ... after it snapped off during the braking.

As for the person who is dead certain Lance doped, do you work for L' Equipe ? Just food for thought ... in 1999, 2 yrs. before EPO testing was approved, let alone implemented, the Tour and WADA tested Lance 24 TIMES FOR EPO leading up to, and during the race. No user could ever pass the hundreds of tests Lance has, not every single one every single time. Of course, those who think otherwise also believe Floyd Landis doped. I'd just like to know how, after 14 days' worth of negative tests, you just suddenly have a massive testosterone spike on Day 17, and that day only. No "accuser" can explain that. And no "experienced steroid user" is stupid enough to think that a single day's administation could provide even an inkling of benefit.

But with racing, the driver isn't doing anything athletic. In golf, the golfer is doing something athletic.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Midnight Rambler

I give props to Formula One, b/c unlike Nascar, it is racing. But I wouldn't put drivers in the same categories as athletes--same with golfers.

What a silly statement - about racers, agree on golf though.

With the exception of NASCAR and similar series, most drivers have to be in fantastic physical condition to withstand the cornering AND braking G-forces, extremely hostile conditions (heat, etc.), intense pressure, etc. Many drivers are becoming excellent tri-athletes, cyclists, etc., just in the process of their racing conditioning.

Michael Andretti, in the latter part of his career as a racer, became a major fitness buff (helps when you marry a 20 yr. old fitness instructor !). Anyways, one of the major fitness mags did an extensive article on his regimen, backed up with their own testing of him. Some pretty impressive stuff/figures, esp. for a guy in his early 40's. And during the Indy 500 he AVERAGED over 160 heartbeats/min. That's for several hours mind you. Average person = dead.

And try an F1 car under braking if you're not in shape. They'll be looking for your head somewhere in the infield ... after it snapped off during the braking.

As for the person who is dead certain Lance doped, do you work for L' Equipe ? Just food for thought ... in 1999, 2 yrs. before EPO testing was approved, let alone implemented, the Tour and WADA tested Lance 24 TIMES FOR EPO leading up to, and during the race. No user could ever pass the hundreds of tests Lance has, not every single one every single time. Of course, those who think otherwise also believe Floyd Landis doped. I'd just like to know how, after 14 days' worth of negative tests, you just suddenly have a massive testosterone spike on Day 17, and that day only. No "accuser" can explain that. And no "experienced steroid user" is stupid enough to think that a single day's administation could provide even an inkling of benefit.

But with racing, the driver isn't doing anything athletic. In golf, the golfer is doing something athletic.

did you miss the part about the fantastic physical condition that is required of (F1)racers?

cause you need to be in great shape for golf, right? after all, you're just hitting a ball :disgust:

 

[RaistlinZ]

Bobby Fisher

 

[coldmeat]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Midnight Rambler

I give props to Formula One, b/c unlike Nascar, it is racing. But I wouldn't put drivers in the same categories as athletes--same with golfers.

What a silly statement - about racers, agree on golf though.

With the exception of NASCAR and similar series, most drivers have to be in fantastic physical condition to withstand the cornering AND braking G-forces, extremely hostile conditions (heat, etc.), intense pressure, etc. Many drivers are becoming excellent tri-athletes, cyclists, etc., just in the process of their racing conditioning.

Michael Andretti, in the latter part of his career as a racer, became a major fitness buff (helps when you marry a 20 yr. old fitness instructor !). Anyways, one of the major fitness mags did an extensive article on his regimen, backed up with their own testing of him. Some pretty impressive stuff/figures, esp. for a guy in his early 40's. And during the Indy 500 he AVERAGED over 160 heartbeats/min. That's for several hours mind you. Average person = dead.

And try an F1 car under braking if you're not in shape. They'll be looking for your head somewhere in the infield ... after it snapped off during the braking.

As for the person who is dead certain Lance doped, do you work for L' Equipe ? Just food for thought ... in 1999, 2 yrs. before EPO testing was approved, let alone implemented, the Tour and WADA tested Lance 24 TIMES FOR EPO leading up to, and during the race. No user could ever pass the hundreds of tests Lance has, not every single one every single time. Of course, those who think otherwise also believe Floyd Landis doped. I'd just like to know how, after 14 days' worth of negative tests, you just suddenly have a massive testosterone spike on Day 17, and that day only. No "accuser" can explain that. And no "experienced steroid user" is stupid enough to think that a single day's administation could provide even an inkling of benefit.

But with racing, the driver isn't doing anything athletic. In golf, the golfer is doing something athletic.

did you miss the part about the fantastic physical condition that is required of (F1)racers?

cause you need to be in great shape for golf, right? after all, you're just hitting a ball :disgust:

Astronauts and firefighters need to be in excellent shape too.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
Bobby Fisher

Garry Kasparov