Which P4 gives best OC results for the $?

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Tullphan

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Time for a new mb & cpu...mines 3 months old now...hehehe.
I've seen where people have been getting good results with the 1.6a, but I can't seem to find it now.
I've found the 1.8a @ Newegg for $13X & the 2.0ag (?) for about $20 more.
Assuming I get the Albatron (that we're patiently waiting a review from Evan on...wink wink), which would be my best value?
I've got the Samsung PC2700, but am contemplating the Corsair XMS...should I?
I've also got the Radeon 8500 & a couple of 60 gb hard drives in a Lian Li PC61 case.
Suggestions?
 
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1.8A or 2.26.

Though, the 2.4B has dropped in price and I'm sure that overclocks good as well.
 
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halkebul

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The P4 1.6A has been discontinued. The 1.8A is the best for overclocking, does 2.4GHz easy. 2.4B if ya don't overclock. If your computer runs all of your games/applications at acceptable speeds, I would wait till December/January to upgrade. In that case you would able to make a power upgrade to Sis 655 chipset motherboard and P4 3.06GHz with Hyper-threading.
 
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Not to mention Dual Channel DDR which will be the best of what's coming out in the next month or so.
 
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Yes, the 1.8A and 2.26 will overclock better from their rated speed -> end overclock yield, but it would be nice to have a chip rated at 2.4GHz instead of only 1.8. Also, seeing the 2.26 is priced higher than the 2.4B makes it less attractive.

A 2.4B runs for $191.00, 2.26 $195.00 and 1.8A's are only $138.00.

I find it funny when people think that in general, all x series P4s will overclock the same. This is not true, and this is what I'm seeing you try to say, THUG..

Now, I know you're the supposed "overclocking king", but I'll have to disagree with you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right? :p I think the 2.4B is the best buy right now, even if you're going to be overclocking.
 
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Flatbroke

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With the 1.8a that will go 2.4gig (400mhz) for $138, and 2.4b that might go 2.6gig (533mhz) for $187, wouldn't the 2.4b be the most bang for the buck? Wouldn't the 2.4b be faster? (400mhz vs 533mhz)
 
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Duvie

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Tha fact thugs is making is that all these x series chips as you put it (excluding new 2.5(400),2.6(400),2.66(533) and 2.8(533) all of which are c1 stepping chips) are all form the same stepping line and the fact is true they all have the potential of hitting the same end speed. Intel bins chips for the marketplace...this is true. A 1.6 like mine runs 2.54ghz at default so it easily could have been a higher rated chip...

Another thing 2.4ghz default on 1.8 chips was awhile back...the real average for most august or newer chips is closer to 2.6ghz...like thugs last chip....

Also Thugs is likley stating in terms of overall clock increase...So if a 1.8 with same multplier as the 2.4b and likely binned to meet market demands can reach that level at default, what is really the difference other then smaller risk for consumer of getting a dud 1.8a that wont do 2.4 at default and the fact that 1.8a saves a person 60bucks....



My take on this is get one of the lower multiplier chips like the 2.26b with its 17x muliplier and get it up to 166fsb so you can run dual channel 333ddr when the dual channel ddr mobos come out. Stay away from high 400fsb chips and also try to save cash so you can upgrade if the Hyperthreading p4's are the "cats meow" they sound like on paper.


1)2.26b (533)
2)1.8a(400)
3)2.4b(533)
4)2.0a (400)

my recommendations in order....

Hope I conveyed your thoughts right, Thugsrook!!!!
 
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Duvie

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flatbroke,

Thugs last 1.8 got to 2.61 at default vcore...an increase of 810mhz or 45percent increase over stock

now

if he gets a 2.4b for 49 more bucks (as you show it) and only gets to 2.61ghz as I have seen around here (2.4ghz isn't guaranteed no 800mhz increase like the 1.8 and I have not seen many with current b0 stepping of making it to 3ghz) he is only getting 210 more mhz over stock for 9 percent increase and pays 50 more bucks for it...With 50 more bucks this thing needs to be quite a bit higher then 2.6ghz at stock and frankly it isn't doing it from scores I see....

1.8@2.61 for 138dollars = 18.9mhz per dollar

2.4b@2.61 for 187dollars = 14.0mhz per dollar

my 1.6@2.544(at default vcore) for 130dollars = 19.6mhz per dollar

Also in testing and what I have seen once one is required to boost vcore from default they generally only get 150-200 more mhz up to 1.7v...asus mobos may vary a bit mor due to overvolting considerably even at default 1.5v in bios.
 
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Flatbroke

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Check Newegg
My question was won't 2.4b 533mhz (not overclocked, so no PCI, USB issues) be "faster" (ie: 3dMarks, all other hardware being the same) than a 1.8a at 2.6at 400mhz?
Edit, you mentioned price drop in previous reply
so.. 18x multiplier is the same for 1.8a, 2.4b (the same)
1.8a will run 2.61gig with better than average ram, and ps (what did he pay for 500w ps and Corsair ram? more than 49 bucks?) 2.4b may overclock to 2.5, 2.6 at most, so a little edge to 1.8a
2.4b is 533Mhz, 1.8a is 400mhz (doesn't that help the 2.4b?)
 
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Duvie

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First of all the 1.8@2.61 ghz wont be at 400mhz...ocing of p4 chips is all fsb...so the fsb to get to 2.61ghz will be 145mhz or 580mhz chip (quad-pumped p4 design)

But the 2.4b at 2.61ghz will also be 145fsb for the exact same 580mhz....

They are both the exact same just one is set to 133fsb or 533mhz total at the beginning....They should both performa equally with all other components the same...

As for pci and usb issues as long as you stay with intel chipset mobos this is not likely as most have agp/pci locks to keep those things from getting out of spec which tend to cause those issues.
 
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GT1999

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.. other than the fact that you aren't running your mem at a ratio like 3:4 which yields better memory throughput.
 
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Duvie

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Can you explain what you are talking about???

I mean the 1.8@2.61 and the 2.4b@2.61 will have exact 145fsb so the memory at 3:4 ratio will be the same and be 387mhz ddr...

Now if someone gets the 2.26b to get to 2.61ghz they will need a 154fsb and that is still doable with current pc3200 ddr....

I don't see where your point was aimed at...sorry if I am not understanding it correctly...please explain...


A 2.26b chip will be better off in my opinion at current with an i845g mobo that has the 4:5 ratio since if you can go to 2.6ghz at default you likely will hit 2.8ghz and that would need 165fsb and that is really pushing it with a 3:4 ratio and 440mhz drr...
 
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fluxquantum

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since the p4 1.6(a) has been phased out i am glad i got mine when i did. just hope it survives the overclocking long enough.
 
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Tullphan

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I was considering the Albatron PX845PEV Pro with the 1.8a as i'm kinda on a budget & like to try & stay a step behind in technology, but was needing to know the better of those two chips (the 1.8a & the 2.0ag).
I also have a 512mb stick of (genuine) Samsung PC2700 memory. Will it be sufficient to use if I decide to go with the above & try to reach the 2.4 mark?
 
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THUGSROOK

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Originally posted by: Geekish Thoughts
Yes, the 1.8A and 2.26 will overclock better from their rated speed -> end overclock yield, but it would be nice to have a chip rated at 2.4GHz instead of only 1.8. Also, seeing the 2.26 is priced higher than the 2.4B makes it less attractive.

A 2.4B runs for $191.00, 2.26 $195.00 and 1.8A's are only $138.00.

I find it funny when people think that in general, all x series P4s will overclock the same. This is not true, and this is what I'm seeing you try to say, THUG..

Now, I know you're the supposed "overclocking king", but I'll have to disagree with you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right? :p I think the 2.4B is the best buy right now, even if you're going to be overclocking.
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you are absolutely right ~ im just expressing my opinion, you can buy whatever you want ;)
most 2.4Bs dont do any better then a decent 1.8A tho ~ kind of a waste of $.

:)
 
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malandro

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A lot of people seem to think that Intel has different production lines for each speed available. The fact of the matter is that ALL the cpu's come out of the same silicon and the same process. So when yields are good (and recent steppings have been very good) the chips are actually "UNDERCLOCKED". It is very possible that you will buy an older 2.4Ghz chip that will overclock much less than a newer 1.8Ghz chip at the SAME default voltages. If you do your homework right you can get the underclocked chips at a bargain and run them at their true speed. Personally I don't like to take my P4 Vcore higher than 1.6v and usually I like to keep it at default voltages. Still my 2 1.6A chips are running at 2.4Ghz at DEFAULT voltages. I also have a 2.26B running at 2.8Ghz also default voltages. I am sure I can go higher if I push the Vcore and DDRAM voltages but then that would be overclocking. I just want to hit the actual "hidden" speed of my underclocked CPU.
 
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THUGSROOK

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malandro ~ thats a really nice 2.26B ya got there :D

BTW: default voltage for a 2.8 is 1.525v so you can boost yours a little bit if ya want ;)
 
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Tullphan

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Will my 512mb Samsung stick be ok to use with the Albatron/1.8a or am I going to have to bite the bullet & get the Corsair?
 
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THUGSROOK

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Tha fact thugs is making is that all these x series chips as you put it (excluding new 2.5(400),2.6(400),2.66(533) and 2.8(533) all of which are c1 stepping chips) are all form the same stepping line and the fact is true they all have the potential of hitting the same end speed. Intel bins chips for the marketplace...this is true. A 1.6 like mine runs 2.54ghz at default so it easily could have been a higher rated chip...

Another thing 2.4ghz default on 1.8 chips was awhile back...the real average for most august or newer chips is closer to 2.6ghz...like thugs last chip....

Also Thugs is likley stating in terms of overall clock increase...So if a 1.8 with same multplier as the 2.4b and likely binned to meet market demands can reach that level at default, what is really the difference other then smaller risk for consumer of getting a dud 1.8a that wont do 2.4 at default and the fact that 1.8a saves a person 60bucks....



My take on this is get one of the lower multiplier chips like the 2.26b with its 17x muliplier and get it up to 166fsb so you can run dual channel 333ddr when the dual channel ddr mobos come out. Stay away from high 400fsb chips and also try to save cash so you can upgrade if the Hyperthreading p4's are the "cats meow" they sound like on paper.


1)2.26b (533)
2)1.8a(400)
3)2.4b(533)
4)2.0a (400)

my recommendations in order....

Hope I conveyed your thoughts right, Thugsrook!!!!
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did i say all that? ;)
 
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Tullphan

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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...so anyhow...about that Samsung memory...keep it or chuck it??

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