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which option is the best to go with?

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mfenn said:
That doesn't make it fast. It's a mainstream APU for mainstream non-gaming PCs.



The critical flaw in your thinking is that you believe that you have to upgrade all the parts at the same time. You don't. With a discrete GPU can upgrade the GPU independently of the CPU/mobo/RAM. Whenever the GPU is to slow for games, you can upgrade just the GPU. The CPU/mobo/RAM will last a lot longer.



Yes, this is a stupid idea. You would be spending more money on parts that may or may not even be reusable. There is no guarantee what socket the APUs of 2017 will use and you will look silly holding onto useless DDR3 2400MHz for that long.

So basically stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Stick with Dominion's build, it is faster and cheaper than what you're proposing.
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Ok, stopped thinking that i have to upgrade everything at the same time xD, thx 🙂.

Well, i guess i would look stupid with taking 2400 MHz ram BUT. Its only 5$ more than the ram seraph chose for me. 5$ is worth it, right?😉 other than that, i guess i was really trying to fit a square peg into a square hole lol. Im gonna change the mobo to one that is not out of stock and onboard usb 3.0.
 
ZanCrow said:
But it just came out >_>
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I bought a system on 4/2/2010 with and i5-750 and a HD 5770 that is roughly equivalent to your A10 and that is 3 systems back. My old system with an i5 2500k and dual HD 6950s from 4/19/2011 would destroy any a10. Never mind even talking about my current system...

I'm not trying to brag it is just that the a10 is not all that.
 
ok, so if i compare these two builds :

cpu+gpu build
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/ZanCrow/saved/3h6L
total:605$

idk what happened to pcpartpicker canada, so many ram types are missing.

apu build
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/ZanCrow/saved/3uSP
total:486$

the a10-7850k is not out on pcpartpicker, but the a10-6800k is almost the same thing anyways, just cheaper


so what you guys are telling me is that the first build is gonna destroy the second build right?

should i still go with an fm2/fm2+ mobo on the first build? or change it to an fm2 mobo only?

should i get 1600mhz ram for 65$ or 2400mhz ram for the first build?

i can save 120$ if i go with the second build. is the performance difference really worth the additionnal 120$? is the first option like twice or three times better than the second one?
 
It sounds to me like you really have your heart set on that a10. Go ahead and get it if you really want to. It might be just fine for your needs. You can always add a video card to the a10 system same as the other. It will make for a good experiment/learning experience on your part.

Going Intel might be a better way to go but I'm having enough trouble getting off the APU thing as is...
 
lakedude said:
It sounds to me like you really have your heart set on that a10. Go ahead and get it if you really want to. It might be just fine for your needs. You can always add a video card to the a10 system same as the other. It will make for a good experiment/learning experience on your part.

Going Intel might be a better way to go but I'm having enough trouble getting off the APU thing as is...
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Well, its not that i really wanna go with the APU. I originally decided on going with the cpu+gpu but my friend told me going with an APU is a good idea. most forums Say to go with cpu+gpu tho. I dont understand why he would recommend me the APU. Trying to find why. Maybe its because he thinks i dont game a lot. Also, i know APUs are rated with i3 intel cpus in benchmarks, but from what i can see on youtube benchmarks, it looks good to me. (I cant compare benchmarks from popular forums to youtube videos...right?)

Mhm, i dont know a lot about intel. What is going on theirside? I know they will released ddr4 soon. I know about some of the popular cpus of them and i know intel generally beats amd in most stuffs.
 
 
ZanCrow said:
ok, so if i compare these two builds :

so what you guys are telling me is that the first build is gonna destroy the second build right?

should i still go with an fm2/fm2+ mobo on the first build? or change it to an fm2 mobo only?

should i get 1600mhz ram for 65$ or 2400mhz ram for the first build?

i can save 120$ if i go with the second build. is the performance difference really worth the additionnal 120$? is the first option like twice or three times better than the second one?
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yes

fm2+

1600mhz

yes and yes



With this rig you are set to get a 1080/1200 res monitor. Do get one soon..... you will be very happy you did.
 
Dear Zan,

I can see you are having trouble believing that AMD would have just put out a chip that is not all that great. The new a10 isn't bad it just has limited value in today's competitive marketplace. The a10 is a great chip for a "normal" or "average" computer that is not ever going to have a "real" video card. The a10 eliminates the need for a low end video card but it does not compete with mid or high end discrete video cards.

Please do not take my word for this. The information is out there. Do your own research: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7677/amd-kaveri-review-a8-7600-a10-7850k/10

This review does a good job of showing how the faster RAM does nothing for the CPU but it does help with the GPU: http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AMD-A10-7850K-Performance-Review-529/

An excellent summery:

Our results show two very different outcomes for AMD’s products. Low power performance is far better, with the 45W A8-7600 APU posting respectable performance figures all the way around. At the high-end, however, the A10-7850K’s gains are largely undone by scaling issues. It’s possible that AMD could respin the core and deliver a faster variant, but after discussing the situation with the company, we’re not optimistic. We may see incremental improvements of ~10% on frequency over time, but AMD would have to hit 5GHz base on Steamroller to dramatically change the nature of its CPU competition with Intel. We’ve asked AMD about the chances of seeing such a part and been told that the characteristics of 28nm bulk silicon make it impossible.
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from here: http://www.extremetech.com/computin...he-wait-for-the-first-true-heterogeneous-chip
 
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lakedude said:
Dear Zan,

I can see you are having trouble believing that AMD would have just put out a chip that is not all that great. The new a10 isn't bad it just has limited value in today's competitive marketplace. The a10 is a great chip for a "normal" or "average" computer that is not ever going to have a "real" video card. The a10 eliminates the need for a low end video card but it does not compete with mid or high end discrete video cards.

Please do not take my word for this. The information is out there. Do your own research: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7677/amd-kaveri-review-a8-7600-a10-7850k/10

This review does a good job of showing how the faster RAM does nothing for the CPU but it does help with the GPU: http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AMD-A10-7850K-Performance-Review-529/

An excellent summery:



from here: http://www.extremetech.com/computin...he-wait-for-the-first-true-heterogeneous-chip
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Ok, imma go for the 760k+r9 270 combo. Apus are going to be good later, not now and if they do get better ( probably in years) , I'll just change my complete build

How long do you think my build could last? Considering I'm just a casual gamer, that I plan to overclock a little bit and that I don't mind lowering settings.

is it ok if I build a new PC every 5 years? Or I should upgrade it every 2-3 years?
 
The APU's main benefit is consolidation of parts one buys in the "basket of goods"(CPU and GPU) and supposedly offer a lower price than if the parts were bought separately. Rather than buy an i3 for $120 or a FX-4300 for $110 and a Radeon R7 250 for $90, I can just buy an A10-5800K for $130. No discrete GPU to install, and for lower risk of the graphics being dead on arrival.

Limitations due to memory bandwidth and thermals prevent them from matching performance offered by discrete graphics cards with more processing power than the APU.

Kaveri's GPU does not even beat mainstream GPUs like the R7-260X or HD 7700. The means fewer frames per second(fps) or lower details. The Anantech review used a 6750 discrete card to see its performance, and Kaveri trailed it significantly. Now, perhaps you aren't too picky, but playing a game at low details could result in an unsatisfactory experience, and if that happens, you have to go out and buy a discrete card anyway.
 
Regarding upgrades, well it really depends on what is happening with your budget, technology and with the specific games you like to play.

I was upgrading every year or two for no reason other than I could afford to when I was single. This is a very bad way to do it. The constant upgrades are expensive and the performance comes in little jumps. The longer you wait the more amazing the new system is going to be.

Technology is a reason to upgrade. The graphics world was stuck at 40nm seemingly forever. When they finally switched to 28nm there were tremendous improvements.

CPUs made a big jump when Intel went to "Core" technology. Lately CPUs have made smaller improvements. For example if you own a 2600k Sandy Bridge you most likely don't feel a huge need to jump on the Haswell bandwagon.

The biggest reason to upgrade is when your system can't play the games you want to play to your satisfaction. If your system seems fine to you than it is fine no matter how old it is.

Word of advice to any old system users, stay away from electronics stores and away from friend's houses who own newer faster systems else you may be jonesing for a new setup.
 
lakedude said:
Regarding upgrades, well it really depends on what is happening with your budget, technology and with the specific games you like to play.

I was upgrading every year or two for no reason other than I could afford to when I was single. This is a very bad way to do it. The constant upgrades are expensive and the performance comes in little jumps. The longer you wait the more amazing the new system is going to be.

Technology is a reason to upgrade. The graphics world was stuck at 40nm seemingly forever. When they finally switched to 28nm there were tremendous improvements.

CPUs made a big jump when Intel went to "Core" technology. Lately CPUs have made smaller improvements. For example if you own a 2600k Sandy Bridge you most likely don't feel a huge need to jump on the Haswell bandwagon.

The biggest reason to upgrade is when your system can't play the games you want to play to your satisfaction. If your system seems fine to you than it is fine no matter how old it is.

Word of advice to any old system users, stay away from electronics stores and away from friend's houses who own newer faster systems else you may be jonesing for a new setup.
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Ok thanks, this info really helped me. I'll just go for the best price/performance 600$-650$ build I can find now on the market.

The 6300 is the best price/performance CPU right now even if am3+ are dying.
I guess I'd go with that instead. Games started to require 6 cores (correct me if I'm wrong here) and 90% of the games right now are perfectly fine with quad-core.

I'm still gonna get the r9 270 , the hyper 212 evo, my case, my psu and my hdd.

I only have to change mobo and get a 1600mhz ram
 
lakedude said:
The biggest reason to upgrade is when your system can't play the games you want to play to your satisfaction. If your system seems fine to you than it is fine no matter how old it is.
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:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I'd make this stronger and say that the only reason to upgrade a gaming PC is when it can't play the games you want.
 
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...24%24%24%24%24

take look at these three motherboards. i think theyre the best i can get for 100$ to pair up with an amd fx-6300. most of people go for the ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0 ( that is what i concluded after watching around 10 different builds of the 6300 on youtube and on forums. some people also go for the asrock extreme 3-4 but i heard they have junk customer service ).

what does it have that makes it better than the GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3P? personally, i dont get why. the GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3P offers more stuff for the same price. also, the MSI 970A-G46 offers the same features as the ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0 for 10$-. i know the
ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0 has good overclocking, but is that all?

are the GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3P and MSI 970A-G46 good for overcloking btw? i mean, compared to the ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0.
 
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