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Newegg had them marked down for a while but I haven't checked lately but the price difference was enough to make you skip the 270x.
 
ZanCrow said:
ok, i guess what you say is right, but would it be a good thing to apu + r9 270 crossfire in the future?
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No, not at all. The APU is so much slower than the R9 270 that it'll just drag it down. In 3 years you'd rather just upgrade the GPU than add an APU.
 
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The proper units for the 5.6 number is GB/s(gigabytes per second), and measure of data bandwidth.

That number is derived by multiplying the memory clock(in MHz) by some number derived from the RAM timings(not sure of the exact units).
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5.6 GB/s would be insanely slow for a memory bus, so that does not pass the sniff test.

I double checked and the R9 270 really does have 5.6 GHz memory after QDR. The nominal clock rate is 1.4GHz, but that doesn't matter as all operations happen at QDR. The memory bus is 256 bits wide, which means that it can do 179 GB/s in streaming operations.
 
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I am not a big gamer and I don't mind lowering settings.... I play tf2, tribes ascends, rift primarily . Let's say I go with 760k + r9 270, I can play high settings with good FPs on all these games right? But I'm not that a big gamer* so is it really worth it? I guess the 760k+ r9 270 would be more future proof, but when I will upgrade, I'll have to change my mobo, my ram, my CPU and my gpu?

If I go with a10-7850k, there are benchmarks on youtube showing the guy can play bf at 30 FPs (is 30fps ok When gaming?). And he uses the iGPU only. I guess that would be perfectly fine with me and when I upgrade, Ill just have to change the apu?
 
ZanCrow said:
I am not a big gamer and I don't mind lowering settings.... I play tf2, tribes ascends, rift primarily . Let's say I go with 760k + r9 270, I can play high settings with good FPs on all these games right? But I'm not that a big gamer* so is it really worth it? I guess the 760k+ r9 270 would be more future proof, but when I will upgrade, I'll have to change my mobo, my ram, my CPU and my gpu?

If I go with a10-7850k, there are benchmarks on youtube showing the guy can play bf at 30 FPs (is 30fps ok When gaming?). And he uses the iGPU only. I guess that would be perfectly fine with me and when I upgrade, Ill just have to change the apu?
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I don't know where you are coming up with this stuff.

With either system you will have the option to change any of those items except if you get the r9-270 you will gain the option to change out just the video card only.

With the APU option you must change out both the CPU and GPU because they are on the same die.
 
ZanCrow said:
If I go with a10-7850k, there are benchmarks on youtube showing the guy can play bf at 30 FPs (is 30fps ok When gaming?). And he uses the iGPU only. I guess that would be perfectly fine with me and when I upgrade, Ill just have to change the apu?
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Replacing a video card is the easiest thing in the world. It's going to be years before an APU has the power of a even a 7790, so why would you sock yourself with a slow APU now and wait years for the performance just so you can say, "It's an APU upgrade," when you can get that performance now by buying a 7790?
 
lakedude said:
I don't know where you are coming up with this stuff.

With either system you will have the option to change any of those items except if you get the r9-270 you will gain the option to change out just the video card only.

With the APU option you must change out both the CPU and GPU because they are on the same die.
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http://youtu.be/vISWl-XdQzo

The guy is playing bf4 with average 30fps

Now, this is what I am thinking right now ( everything might sound stupid or smart, depending on how you see it)

Lets say I go Athlon 760k+ r9 270 + 1600mhz ram. When I will want to upgrade( probably in 2-3 years) , I'll have to change the CPU, the gpu, the mobo and the ram , right? Because there will be ddr4, I'll have to change my ram and mobo. And because 2-3 years have passed, I'll have to change CPU and gpu too( this is the time when people upgrade their PC , right?not sure for 2-3years). Also, next gen mobo will probably be released already or announced (let's call it fm3 socket mobo). I realized I can't go athlon 760k + r9 270 and then upgrade later to an apu+ old r9 270 because there is going to be bottlenecking.

Now, let's say I go with a10-7850k or a8-7600 + 2400mhz ram. When I will want to upgrade ( probably in 2-3 years), I'll have to change the apu( amd will probably have released better apus...) , the mobo and the ram. I'll have to get ddr4 memory, *fm3* mobo and new apu.

Wouldn't going with the second option be cheaper in the long run?

Also, I think the second option might be better for me since I'm not big gamer ( tf2, rift, and tribes ascends aren't high demanding games right?). And for bf4, the guy is playing with 30fps on low settings. I don't know if 30fps is good but I don't mind playing with low settings. I have to say everyone in the thread think I should go with 760k+r9 270.... Cuz you guys say apu is shitty for gaming ( benchmarks show it)

I'm probably thinking too much for nothing and saying stupid stuffs right now since I'm a new builder.

Anyways, THANK YOU so much if you can help me clarify these things thoughts because I'm kind of confused right now 😕



Mhm.... I don't mind going with Intel. I only considered these two options because they're the best price/performance with overclocking and slight futureproofing for 600-650$. No fx-6300 please... Amd said they would stop on upgrading them....
 
If you are planning on using your system as a HTPC with some "light" gaming then an APU makes sense. Also if your dGPU craps out you have a back up GPU in the IGPU.

If you are planning to do more than "light" gaming, the Athlon II X4 760 makes much better sense since it allows more of your budget to go towards the dGPU. You will have an inexpensive quad core that maybe able to oc bit more than the APU
It really doesn't matter which way you go, if you wait long enough you have to replace most of your core computer parts anyways.
 
30 fps is the bare minimum for a satisfactory gaming experience. If AMD sticks to their roadmap, Carrizo will also be FM2+ and DDR3 compatible. http://www.hardwarepal.com/amd-carrizo-apu-2015-intels-skylake-feature-rich/

I doubt Carrizo will top an R9 270's processing power. Carrizo won't have 1280 stream processors and only the GDDR5 mobos will enable the IGP to match their discrete counterparts. An R9 270 will still last longer than Kaveri's IGP and PCIe x16 slots will always be included on mobos.
 
Sure you can save some money now by getting an APU like the a10-6800 and skipping the video card.

I wouldn't bother worrying too much about the future. AMD might not even be around in 3 years...

If you lived by a Micro Center you could pick up an a10-6800 and a motherboard for a total of only about $140 US compared to almost $400(CND?) for the MB, CPU, and GPU you picked out.

It depends on your budget and what you are trying to accomplish. The separate parts are going to perform much better than an APU but they are more expensive.

A a10-7850 with a MB is running right at $200USD @ Micro Center if you can find one.
 
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I checked out the video and they are running a low screen res of only 720p, which is fine but one would normally run their screen's native resolution.

What is your monitor's res?
 
lakedude said:
I checked out the video and they are running a low screen res of only 720p, which is fine but one would normally run their screen's native resolution.

What is your monitor's res?
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I guess 720p cuz it's a really old monitor but I will upgrade to a 1080p monitor
 
pcsavvy said:
If you are planning on using your system as a HTPC with some "light" gaming then an APU makes sense. Also if your dGPU craps out you have a back up GPU in the IGPU.

If you are planning to do more than "light" gaming, the Athlon II X4 760 makes much better sense since it allows more of your budget to go towards the dGPU. You will have an inexpensive quad core that maybe able to oc bit more than the APU
It really doesn't matter which way you go, if you wait long enough you have to replace most of your core computer parts anyways.
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Are the games I'm gonna play considered light gaming? Tribes ascends, tf2 and rift. I know rift is CPU-demanding , I heard..
 
Since you are only driving 720p an APU wouldn't be the worst thing if you could find one for cheap. It all comes down to value for your dollar.

Your build centered around the AMD A10-7850K

AMD A10-7850K $211 @ NewEgg CAN
Your MB $100
Your crazy RAM $125

Total $436 for a system that scores about 800-1600 G3D Marks which is barely enough for gaming.


Now lets look at DominionSeraph's build

AMD Athlon II X4 750K $90
ASRock FM2A55M-HD+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard $55
Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $75
Asus GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card $140

Total $ 360 for a system that scores about 2700 G3D Marks

His build is cheaper and has much better GPU performance than your system.

Toss the r9 270 into DominionSeraph's build and you are spending about the same cash as your system but your score is up around 4200 G3D Marks!

Now all these scores and whatnot are approximate but the overall theme is that your APU is overpriced and under-performing.

The only way an APU makes any sense at all is if you can get a deal on one, like the a10-6800 with MB at MicroCenter USA for $140 including a MB. Now you are talking $215 total for CPU/APU, MB, and RAM which is worth considering. Since you are in Canada this most likely isn't an option for you.
 
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Ram is 75$. Its just that i couldnt find it on pcpartpicker, so i took a similar ram with the same exact specs but with different brand.

Ill get seraph's mobo because i dont plan on buying 2 additionnel sticks of ram soon and when i do, ddr4 will be out there so ill have to change the mobo anyways.i just want to know if its great for overclocking

But there is a problem too. Ddr4 is coming out soon right? Like...this month? Should i wait for it? Btw im gonna order my build in 2 weeks.... Maybe im planning too soon.

Im gonna write a timeline of 3 years on a sheet and compre these two options because something is bothering me.... I feel like the a10-7850k will be more future proof then the athlon 760k with the r9 270.
 
Ok , i think i got it.

If i go with an APU, i would have to upgrade sooner right?, cuz its just ok performance and not future proof. ill have to change the APU, the mobo and the ram. This would be in around 1-2 years.

But if i go with the athlon 760k+ r9 270, i can keep on longer without upgrading since its more better than the APU , maybe 2-3 years. Since i will be going with an fm2 mobo only, i will pay a little bit less than if i go with an fm2+ mobo. But when i upgrade, ill have to pay more because ill have to change cpu, gpu, ram, mobo.

If i get an fm2/fm2+ mobo, in 2 years, i can still keep my mobo and use a fm2+ cpu on my next upgrade. Ill save my mobo for next upgrade. And if i go with 2400mhz ram, it has a chance of Being the regular speed for cpu+ gpu in 3 years. So i can save that too?
In the end, paying more for my mobo and ram right now could save me some cash on my next upgrade. Ill just have to upgrade gpu and cpu to fm2+ compatible. And fm2+ just got out so it wouldnt be surprising if its still used in 2years.

So now, its all about if i can get a cpu+ gpu for the same price of an APU or wait till the gpu price goes down to 150$.( i dont think it will go 150$ in two-three weeks...)

Does it sound like a stupid idea? Try to get 2400mhz ram + fm2/fm2+ mobo and re-use them in two years. I estimate 2400mhz ram will be average in 2 years and *fm3* will be coming out, but the fm2+ will still be average like the am3+ right now.
 
ZanCrow said:
But it just came out >_>
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That doesn't make it fast. It's a mainstream APU for mainstream non-gaming PCs.

ZanCrow said:
But if i go with the athlon 760k+ r9 270, i can keep on longer without upgrading since its more better than the APU , maybe 2-3 years. Since i will be going with an fm2 mobo only, i will pay a little bit less than if i go with an fm2+ mobo. But when i upgrade, ill have to pay more because ill have to change cpu, gpu, ram, mobo.
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The critical flaw in your thinking is that you believe that you have to upgrade all the parts at the same time. You don't. With a discrete GPU can upgrade the GPU independently of the CPU/mobo/RAM. Whenever the GPU is to slow for games, you can upgrade just the GPU. The CPU/mobo/RAM will last a lot longer.

ZanCrow said:
If i get an fm2/fm2+ mobo, in 2 years, i can still keep my mobo and use a fm2+ cpu on my next upgrade. Ill save my mobo for next upgrade. And if i go with 2400mhz ram, it has a chance of Being the regular speed for cpu+ gpu in 3 years. So i can save that too?
In the end, paying more for my mobo and ram right now could save me some cash on my next upgrade. Ill just have to upgrade gpu and cpu to fm2+ compatible. And fm2+ just got out so it wouldnt be surprising if its still used in 2years.

Does it sound like a stupid idea? Try to get 2400mhz ram + fm2/fm2+ mobo and re-use them in two years. I estimate 2400mhz ram will be average in 2 years and *fm3* will be coming out, but the fm2+ will still be average like the am3+ right now.
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Yes, this is a stupid idea. You would be spending more money on parts that may or may not even be reusable. There is no guarantee what socket the APUs of 2017 will use and you will look silly holding onto useless DDR3 2400MHz for that long.

So basically stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Stick with Dominion's build, it is faster and cheaper than what you're proposing.
 
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