Which Operating System. Win 2K or XP

Slo2upgrad

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Building the next upgrade computer in our house. And I need to know which OS is going to the best for our needs. Currently have Win98SE upgrade. It has some some strange querkyness, partly the platform age its on. I realize WInk 2000K is from the NT Kernal and I think XP is too? either way either Win2k or XP will be the OS of choice. Does Win2k support current hardware, drivers, P&P, multi-media, Video (8x), DVD, etc the way XP is said to do? I just now have had some exposure to XP OS interface and so far I am not impressed. Seems cluttered? confusing, I'm not use to the file structure and how its graphicaly displayed or maintaince. Any advice for which OS WB best?
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Lonyo

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I installed 2k, then later tried out XP, safe to say I love 2k. I uninstalled XP after a very short while, Win 2k is so much better in my opinion.
It's more like Win 98, so less change, more streamlined, nicer generally, and just a joy to have.
You can do pretty much whatever you need/want with it, I would definately recommend Win 2k over XP.

As I said though, many people will disagree, it's like Intel vs AMD, or nVidia vs ATi.
 

Sunner

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Of course someone will start yelling at me for saying this, but anyway...

If I were you I'd get hold of both of them from "alternate channels", try them out, and then go pick up the one you like.
Like downloading a demo of a game, cept there are no demos of Windows.

Illegal, yes, but as long as you buy the one you keep, it should be good enough to give peace of mind in the end :)
 

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I honestly have no idea why people recommend 2000 over XP. Having used both, XP seems quicker in use and is more compatible. You can basically make XP "into" 2000 with some option changes if you don't like the modified GUI.
 

BmXStuD

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XP all the way. Ifs a family pc go for xp, if its not go it xp anyway, make sure you have more than 256mb ram to run xp smooth.
 

crisp82

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LMAO Fisher Price!!!!

XP and 2000 have pretty much the same kernel amd are both very solid and stable. Xp has a few more features, in-built extractor and the like, and has a pretty interface, but in my opinion it comes down to preference.
 

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LOL!!

Sums up XP basically!!

I prefer Win2K over XP mainly because XP installs various programs which I'd never use, such as Movie Maker and all that and IMO, they just clutter up the hard disk.

Win2K is basically XP without all the fancy stuff, which suits me because if I require certain programs, then I can install and remove them at will.

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rkoenn

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I run a small business building PCs and servicing them. I would recommend XP for most users now. You can revert to the classic Win menus, which I find more efficient, and turn off all the eye candy for best performance. I have not had a crash with it on my or my wife's machine since I did a clean install with my Nvidia chipset motherboard over 6 weeks ago. However, no MS product is crash proof, they just keep getting a little better with each iteration. However, if it is a business machine strictly, Win2K might be the better choice. Just finished a dual Xeon system for a good friend and he is going with 2K. It is strictly for business running high end CAD/CAM and numerical analysis programs and he hates the multimedia stuff in XP. For most users I install XP now though, the home version.
 

Slo2upgrad

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Thanks all some good info. I've had a chance to look agsain at XP on a laptop. Still haven't decided btwix 2K and XP though. Seems most hints and tips in current print is aimed at XP and not much on 2K. How much of XP help/tips/tricks can be applied/used on Win 2K?
 

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I moved to XP Home in January 2002.....and hated it, itwas so unstable, crashes....it just didn't like my system so I went back to Win2k and was much happier. But recently I have moved to XP Pro....now that we have SP1 and I have a newer Rig and have been very happy, very stable (I would stay 98% as stable as 2000 in my experience)....plus SOOOOOO much faster to load up and shut down, not to mention easier to work with....although some user friendly parts can actually be an annoyance to those of us technically minded.

XP Home is XP Pro without some features of course so proves to be just as stable on all the Home PC's I have built.

Corm
 

videobruce

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Originally posted by: propellerhead
W2K = XP - (Fisher-Price Interface + Product Activation);
Thank you, you hit the nail on the head! With SP3 you are basically as up to date as XP w/sp1!


XP is for boys with immature games!
2000 is for men!

(That should start something..............) Anyone for a AMD vs Wintel thread?
 

prosaic

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Originally posted by: videobruce
Originally posted by: propellerhead
W2K = XP - (Fisher-Price Interface + Product Activation);
Thank you, you hit the nail on the head! With SP3 you are basically as up to date as XP w/sp1!


XP is for boys with immature games!
2000 is for men!

(That should start something..............) Anyone for a AMD vs Wintel thread?

Anyone who thinks that Windows XP is nothing but Windows 2000 with a different UI and product activation added hasn't investigated this issue very closely. Do some research, guys. The information has been out there for some time. I know it's very manly to say that real men use Windows 2000. (There were guys who said the same about NT4 when Windows 2000 came out, and about horses when cars first appeared on the streets.) There are some rather important functional improvements for both home and corporate users incorporated in Windows XP. The changes aren't all negative. If the search function is working, you can find lots of threads where this stuff has been discussed fairly thoroughly. The naysayers are always talking about the appearance of the interface. The proponents of XP are talking about more functional issues.

I can name quite a number of important improvements where the change to the WinXP version of a single particular function is enough to justify the upgrade all by itself if you need that function. And I'm not talking about eye or ear candy. I'm talking about security features, networking features and other very basic functions of the OS.

No one who knows me thinks that I upgrade operating systems just to have the latest and to be a good little consumer. I have good reason for having upgraded every personal (Windows) desktop or notebook system I own to Windows XP. The only common situation that would make me choose Win2K Pro over WinXP Pro would be where there were only bad device drivers available for a mission critical device on a system. Bad drivers will turn Windows XP into a steaming pile of dog pooh. Even more so than with Windows 2K. It's all about the homework.

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techwanabe

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Originally posted by: propellerhead
W2K = XP - (Fisher-Price Interface + Product Activation);

Gotta love it! My Windows 2k instructer called it the "Sesame Street" interface! He said the same thing... basically W2K with SS interace... yes, and it does boot and reboot quicker, which is nicer if you gotta do that alot!

Me, I think I can live without the "Gum Drop" / Apple hippy clone interface and definitely the product activation...
 

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i installed xp about a week ago. The main reason i wanted it over 2k was becuase xps load/shutdown time is 100x faster than 2k. however, this maybe becuase i was running fat32 on 2k and i am now running NTFS. i reccomend if you format to use NTFS, much better imo than fat32. go for 2k, i am worried about this product activation crap.
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: Slo2upgrad
Thanks all some good info. I've had a chance to look agsain at XP on a laptop. Still haven't decided btwix 2K and XP though. Seems most hints and tips in current print is aimed at XP and not much on 2K. How much of XP help/tips/tricks can be applied/used on Win 2K?

Quite a lot of tips/tricks don't NEED to be applied to Win 2k, since it runs like a dream by default.
 

prosaic

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Windows XP loads faster (on most systems) than Windows 2000 because of the methods by which it loads drivers and services (somewhat in parallel) at startup and because it uses a strategy called prefetching. (Prefetching also loads some application components into memory at boot time, so, in that way, it also may add a few seconds to boot time compared to what the boot time might be without prefetching if MS Office is installed, for instance.) I'm a big believer in NTFS over FAT32, but big-time speed improvements are NOT an advantage of NTFS over FAT32 on most personal systems. It's a little faster on some systems, and a little slower on others. On a huge database server I would expect NTFS formatting to provide some fairly significant performance gains over FAT32 (assuming anyone was dumb enough to set up such a server with a FAT32 file system).

Why would you be worried about product activation?

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prosaic

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: Slo2upgrad
Thanks all some good info. I've had a chance to look agsain at XP on a laptop. Still haven't decided btwix 2K and XP though. Seems most hints and tips in current print is aimed at XP and not much on 2K. How much of XP help/tips/tricks can be applied/used on Win 2K?

Quite a lot of tips/tricks don't NEED to be applied to Win 2k, since it runs like a dream by default.

And quite a lot of tips/tricks CAN'T be applied to Win2K, since it doesn't have the underpinnings to provide some pretty important functions. That's as true for home use as it is for use on a domain.

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TheCorm

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Both 2000 & XP are good, I would say that 2000 is more technically aimed and is a little more stable but the features, overall behind the scenes design and speed are better with XP.

I don't mind the interface but it is a little colourful for many peoples liking....plus the activation is a bit of a pain but I have not had an issue with it yet.

Corm
 

smitty99

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And quite a lot of tips/tricks CAN'T be applied to Win2K, since it doesn't have the underpinnings to provide some pretty important functions. That's as true for home use as it is for use on a domain.

Like...?

Most of the advances in XP were targetted at bringing the NT world of joy to the home user. The Welcome screen (with it's attendant multiple logins) and CD burning are a few examples of this. The Welcome screen is entirely non-functionel in a domain environment, and CD burning is hardly a killer app on the enterprise desktop. The best feature I can think of is the Terminal Services/Remote Desktop setup, which is rather well-implemented IMHO.

Otherwise, there's NetMeeting! And the Media bar in IE! And integrated .NET support (don't forget the all-new ads in Windows Messenger!) I especially love the Search (A.K.A. Spy) Companion! As my (hopefully apparent) sarcasm shows, most of the new amazing features are really not that great. They're little interface tweaks that focus on the new user more than anything.
 

prosaic

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Originally posted by: smitty99

Like...?

Most of the advances in XP were targetted at bringing the NT world of joy to the home user. The Welcome screen (with it's attendant multiple logins) and CD burning are a few examples of this. The Welcome screen is entirely non-functionel in a domain environment, and CD burning is hardly a killer app on the enterprise desktop. The best feature I can think of is the Terminal Services/Remote Desktop setup, which is rather well-implemented IMHO.

Otherwise, there's NetMeeting! And the Media bar in IE! And integrated .NET support (don't forget the all-new ads in Windows Messenger!) I especially love the Search (A.K.A. Spy) Companion! As my (hopefully apparent) sarcasm shows, most of the new amazing features are really not that great. They're little interface tweaks that focus on the new user more than anything.

Hmmm. Sarcasm works better when there's a viable target. Not one "issue" you mention really holds water. If you become a bit more familiar with WinXP you won't be so inclined to knock it?

NetMeeting can be very valuable in the corporate environment as well as the home environment. I doubt that I can make that any clearer to you than a brief perusal of the features would. Besides, what does NetMeeting have to do with WinXP in the particular??? I've seen it hanging around since Win95, haven't I? (And I wasn't even a Windows user until after Windows 2000 was released.)

Media bar in IE??? Again, not specific to Windows XP. Specific to IE. No one twists your arm to use it. It isn't active by default (unless, maybe, some of the OEMs make it that way on their junky images?). What the hey?

Search Companion: Surely you jest. It's true that the default setup is silly, but probably reasonably well-suited to the needs of Joe Average who couldn't care less about searching through system files or such. But reverting it to classic behavior is ridiculously easy to do. Where's the beef? As for it being spyware? Huh? You have to specifically give the thing permission to access the Internet, and then you have to specifically give it permission to send information about your system to MS. Same as with the Help system. And it ain't sending your credit card numbers or even your browsing habits or your identity out. So?

Okay, so no target.

Now how about what WinXP has that Win2K doesn't. The list is too long to bother with more than a few. I don't care if you don't believe me. If the search function still isn't working that's just tough. I have made long lists of the features too many times to bother with it again. So have many others on this forum. But you don't need the forum to find the differentiation. I had learned most of the important differences within a month after I started using Windows XP.

But a few real killers:

Your notebook is stolen. You have vital data on board that is encrypted. Can't get to it in Win2K? Nonsense. Someone uses a boot disk to change the password of the Admin account. The Admin is the Recovery Agent. Bingo! You crack the password on a Windows XP system and the encrypted data is history. The password you cracked was part of the encryption key. Sorry! Not to mention that the admin isn't the default recovery agent. Depending upon how you were set up, which user encrypted the info, and who the recovery agent was set up as (which might not even be a local user) no one will see the data unless they guess the right user name and the right password. Could take a while to do if the system owner was serious about security.

Ever use RUNAS? Works a heck of a lot better with a /savecred switch. Otherwise, you have to tell the end user whose access you wanted to limit a real password to a real account with a higher permissions level. That's what you have to do in Windows 2000. It's what you don't have to do in Windows XP. This sucker works great for family use as well as for corporate use.

Ever examine the differences between the included security templates in the two operating systems?

Ever notice how hard it can be to get back into a bunged Windows 2000 installation without a current ERD? You don't need an ERD in Windows XP. And then there's System Restore, which actually works. And Driver Rollback, which actually works.

Eh, I don't feel like going on. I guess I shouldn't have posted. It's just that, after having been through this a gazillion times here and elsewhere, I get kind of irritated seeing all of the naysaying about Windows XP from people who don't seem to have really researched the matter at all thoroughly. There can be good reasons for choosing Windows 2000 over Windows XP, and I've said so many times. But a blanket dismissal of Windows XP as being differentiated from Windows 2K merely by GUI changes is just silly.

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LotharJade

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Im in engineering. Many programs are set up to only/mainly run in W2k. Also my school and work both use W2k. Not much of a choice for me. Although to me XP adds a lot of fluff I don't need. I find that if I need anything I either buy it or download it, and usually it is at a higher level than what is packaged with the operating system to razzle dazzle the newbie home user. I might try XP, but there seems to be no point to me. Unlike NT, W2k does everything I ever need it too, and it plays games too.

I would like to dis W98 though. I have a computer with a split boot system between W98 and W2k. When in W98, the motto is "When in doubt, REBOOT, and for anything else REBOOT". 98 is a steaming pile of monkey doo. Constant reboots, crashes, and slowdowns. The W2K on the same system on the other hand ROCKS. NO PROBLEMS PERIOD!:D
Soon that 98 part is going to be deep sixed.:D
 

videobruce

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Prosaic;
Most of what you said is somewhat over my head, but I did see you mentioned System Restore in XP! Wasn't that a major reason why ME was a flop? I know one of the first things I did when I ran ME was to disable System Restore and I found ME wasn't any worse than 98SE that everyone said it was!

Your post was the first I read about driver roolback, which sounds like a good idea (of course so did Restore sound like a good idea in ME). How effective is that?
 

prosaic

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System Restore is (IMHO) a crucial feature of Windows XP, and it works very well, indeed. Same with Driver Rollback. People who disable System Restore in this operating system are blowing away one of its most valuable features.

- prosaic