Gamingphreek
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lopri
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Gamingphreek, I think it's the second time that I've seen you being very vocal against TT Big Typhoon. May I ask you why?
Liking something is one thing, but hating something is another. It seems like you *hate* the Big Typhoon which is merely a HSF. (Not Intel, AMD, ATI, or NVIDIA
)
I agree with a few points you made regarding the Big Typhoon: Too big/heavy for some, the bottom of the HSF is less than perfect. Installation can be bitch.
But wherever you read about it, you will see people rating it among the top HSFs as far as performance is concerned. And I agree. Here is an example from my case.
http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2727smallfft8hrs11id.jpg
http://img439.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2727smallfft8hrs25bv.jpg
37C load after 8 hours of Prime95 is pretty respectable, anyway you look at it. Indeed, I haven't seen anyone with better temps using air-cooling from the following thread.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1732211&enterthread=y
XP-120, SI-120, Scythe Ninja are all excellent HSFs. I wouldn't mind replacing my TT with any of them. But TT Big Typhoon is just as good as, if not better than, them when it comes to pure performance.
Liking something is one thing, but hating something is another. It seems like you *hate* the Big Typhoon which is merely a HSF. (Not Intel, AMD, ATI, or NVIDIA
)I agree with a few points you made regarding the Big Typhoon: Too big/heavy for some, the bottom of the HSF is less than perfect. Installation can be bitch.
But wherever you read about it, you will see people rating it among the top HSFs as far as performance is concerned. And I agree. Here is an example from my case.
http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2727smallfft8hrs11id.jpg
http://img439.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2727smallfft8hrs25bv.jpg
37C load after 8 hours of Prime95 is pretty respectable, anyway you look at it. Indeed, I haven't seen anyone with better temps using air-cooling from the following thread.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1732211&enterthread=y
XP-120, SI-120, Scythe Ninja are all excellent HSFs. I wouldn't mind replacing my TT with any of them. But TT Big Typhoon is just as good as, if not better than, them when it comes to pure performance.
ok... i have settled on the ninja because i can run fanless in my P180 and if i wish/need i can get some fans....
I think Gamingphreek already pointed out why by his tirade over his bad experience with prior thermaltake products he purchased. Take his opinion with a grain of salt though because he is being a racist against thermaltake.
Overall, the big typhoon is as good as any heatsink available. The stock fan is also pretty much silent running in the case on my desk.
Gamingphreek
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I am not. Mention thermaltake with any quality siilent enthusiast and they will laugh your ass right out of the forum. Im not biased against, them, i buy for quality and performance, Thermaltake offers me neither.
You seem hell bent on touting them as the greatest manufacturer this world has known.
That is ridiculous. Your ambient temps must be FAR FAR lower than any of ours. That CPU in the second shot is running at 80.6F. That is near perfect heat transfer. Sorry, even with the best Thermalright, Scythe, or any air cooling product for that matter that is impossible.
-Kevin
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Try to keep an open mind for just a moment. In the history of TT, they have created knockoff after knockoff, and executed with less success than the original part. This is what earned it the rep it has, at least in many circles, but in particular the SilentPCReview croud. This is what has made it impossible for anyone over there to even consider that TT might've screwed up in screwing up its knockoffs, and actually created a good product. In my mind, they would not be the first to consult in such an issue as the one at hand here.
Now, a couple of points worth noting, first is that the fan that comes with the BT is, AFAIK, made by Yate Loon, who I think is the same as Globe, who makes fans for Nexus. It doesn't get much quieter than that fan. It is also optimal for the heatsink as proven by using far noisier fans results in only one or two degrees in difference.
The second point is that, even though I have used ThermalRight heatsinks since the AX7, and I stand behind its products, apparently they finish the XP120 base before the HP are applied with solder, and the heating and cooling causes a bit of concavity in the base, thereby hurting performance somewhat. Even with the mirror finish, it is not making optimal contact from the factory, whereas you'd be hardpressed to shave with the reflection of a BT base, it is at least flat, so that the TIM is able to do its job optimally. Admittedly, I haven't looked into proof of the concavity, so this could be considered null. Though TR may not be infallibe.
However, couple the fact that the BT is cheaper than its competition, and comes with an optimal fan I will just say it. Even though its mounting is iffy and its weight (even with most of it concentrated in the base and HP rather than the aluminum fins) is unsafe for portable systems, it is the best bang for the buck in the pricerange, and is the only choice for socket A systems with mounting holes.
Also the BT can be improved a couple of degrees by bending its fins like so to fill the voids. The jury is still out on whether the gaps were intentional to relieve backpressure and that this mod can cause undue stress on the fan and added noise, but it's interesting.
Now, a couple of points worth noting, first is that the fan that comes with the BT is, AFAIK, made by Yate Loon, who I think is the same as Globe, who makes fans for Nexus. It doesn't get much quieter than that fan. It is also optimal for the heatsink as proven by using far noisier fans results in only one or two degrees in difference.
The second point is that, even though I have used ThermalRight heatsinks since the AX7, and I stand behind its products, apparently they finish the XP120 base before the HP are applied with solder, and the heating and cooling causes a bit of concavity in the base, thereby hurting performance somewhat. Even with the mirror finish, it is not making optimal contact from the factory, whereas you'd be hardpressed to shave with the reflection of a BT base, it is at least flat, so that the TIM is able to do its job optimally. Admittedly, I haven't looked into proof of the concavity, so this could be considered null. Though TR may not be infallibe.
However, couple the fact that the BT is cheaper than its competition, and comes with an optimal fan I will just say it. Even though its mounting is iffy and its weight (even with most of it concentrated in the base and HP rather than the aluminum fins) is unsafe for portable systems, it is the best bang for the buck in the pricerange, and is the only choice for socket A systems with mounting holes.
Also the BT can be improved a couple of degrees by bending its fins like so to fill the voids. The jury is still out on whether the gaps were intentional to relieve backpressure and that this mod can cause undue stress on the fan and added noise, but it's interesting.
The XP-120 is difficult to mount. I think you meant you're trying to decide between SI-120 and the Typhoon.
The xp-120 has compatibility issues with some boards but it's incredibly easy to mount if it fits on your board. For ease of mounting comparison, the xp-120 takes about 2 minutes to mount, the big typhoon takes about 20, if you know what you're doing,
Because it so big and heavy. The BT weighs in at 813g. Thats almost a kilo! And it acts as a cantalever on the motherboard. Not a great design for a heavy HS, but it cools very well.
but i thought the fact that you had the backplate got rid of all the problems.... as long as you use all your mobo mounting holes you should be fine right?
Gamingphreek
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Originally posted by: lopri
What are you trying to say?
Im saying that if your temps are ~70F you have near perfect heat transfer, which is near impossible. A 10F delta between ambient temperature and the temperature of an electrical part that outputs >100Watt of electricity is ludicrous. No air cooling system is that perfect.
I am not saying that the BT is a bad cooler. It is a very good cooler, and probably the best in TT's dismal history. However, when comparing it to Thermalright, Zalman, and Scythe it is no competition. Thermaltake has dug itself a hole by:
[il]Lying about specs (CFM, Dba, Power)
[il]Copy the exact designs of other manf
[il]Endorsing poor worksmanship (Rigid HS surfaces, poor Soldering jobs)
The BT seems to be an exception to this, with the exception of the build quality, from what i have heard and read it is a nice unit, however Tt's reputation kills it.
-Kevin
lopri
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So I guess I'm doing something impossible with a BT? That's nice to hear.
If you think the absolute temps are borked, you can simply look at the delta, which gives enough information about quality of the cooler. In my case, at default voltage with single-core Opterons, the delta between idle/load has been consistently 9~14C. With Zalman 7000Cu, it was something like 16~21C.
If you think the absolute temps are borked, you can simply look at the delta, which gives enough information about quality of the cooler. In my case, at default voltage with single-core Opterons, the delta between idle/load has been consistently 9~14C. With Zalman 7000Cu, it was something like 16~21C.
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