Which one?

[futuristicmonkey]

Hello. I wil soon ditch this POS 1.7 Celeron (at 2.0) on the POS Willamette core , in favour of one of two possible processors. I am thinking of either getting a 2.4C and overclocking it, or getting a 2.4A and o/cing the garbage out of it. The reason I am considering the 2.4A is because I don't want to get new RAM. I was looking around and found a P4 2.4A (Prescott) for 166CDN at ncix.com. Should I get this (and be able to use my pc3200 that I already have), or should I get a 2.4C for like 214.99CDN? I could get the 2.4C, o/c it, and use my current ram, but I don't want to have to run a 5:4 ratio. Any help would be appreciated

 

[Mik3y]

mobile xp

 

[futuristicmonkey]

It was because of that processor, that I'm sad I went with Intel.

 

[BW86]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
mobile xp

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Any useful answers?

 

[jhites]

I would recommend the 2.4C and there is nothing wrong with running the 5:4 ratio on the ram. I upgraded my PC3500 ram that was running 5:4 to PC4000 to get the 1:1 and only got about a 2% gain on a i875 platform. The 1Mb cache of the 2.4A is nice but the 2.4C will still out perform when compared.

 

[cirthix]

mobile xp

 

[Avalon]

For a $50 price premium, I would not recommend the 2.4C, as that's borderline ridiculous. If they were $10 apart, then I'd say get the 2.4C with HT. If you were just looking to game, then hyperthreading wouldn't have been much use to you. If you were to be doing quite a few other big things with your system, then it may have came in handy, but still, not worth a $50 price premium at all. Besides, I hear these 2.4A Prescott chips overclock very well, so I suspect you'd get a better overclock out of them than a 2.4C chip, which would overcome any benefits of hyperthreading that you'd see. Get the 2.4A

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: cirthix
mobile xp

 

[Zebo]

hehe 2.4C if you must stay Intel

But you've taken up the ying yang once why do it again? Mobile XP.

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: Avalon
For a $50 price premium, I would not recommend the 2.4C, as that's borderline ridiculous. If they were $10 apart, then I'd say get the 2.4C with HT. If you were just looking to game, then hyperthreading wouldn't have been much use to you. If you were to be doing quite a few other big things with your system, then it may have came in handy, but still, not worth a $50 price premium at all. Besides, I hear these 2.4A Prescott chips overclock very well, so I suspect you'd get a better overclock out of them than a 2.4C chip, which would overcome any benefits of hyperthreading that you'd see. Get the 2.4A

Thank you. that price difference is ridiculus....wtf was I thinking......

 

[Zebo]

You'll need a $50 HSF to overclock any apprciable amount, negating any increase in cost. Not to mention you loose HT and a faster core clock for clock. But hey it's your money, just don't come crying about 65C and 3.1Ghz max.

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: Zebo
You'll need a $50 HSF to overclock any apprciable amount, negating any increase in cost. Not to mention you loose HT and a faster core clock for clock. But hey it's your money, just don't come crying about 65C and 3.1Ghz max.

I won't come crying, but $50 for a new HSF - nope, I can lap, use AS5, and a custom-made (by me) duct, that'll help reduce temps by a few degrees. And, Hardocp seems to think that the 2.4A doesn't get all that hot, and it's able to achieve a o/c of 3.2 on stock cooling. Well, I'm not guaranteed that, but, I'm hopeful.

 

[Zebo]

LOL Hards OC was'nt even stable... I'm just waiting for the intel guys to check in maybe you'll listen to them. I realise you think a lot of spam is in this thread, but the choice is so clear cut it's not even funny. The mobile XP is cheaper, will OC better, ie cooler, and will be faster. The 2.4C, while pricy, has the same type of performance signature if not better overclcoked.

 

[TStep]

What kind of mobo do you have? IIRC, a Willy will not run on an 865/875 chipset, though I have never tried. First make sure the board will accept the cpus you are looking at. If you have a VIA, SIS, or an 845, just end it now and sell as they are all missing something (oc ability, dual channel which P4 really needs, etc)

In one of my systems, I've got a P4 2.4C @3.3ish which means you will need a 275fsb if you are looking for these kinds of results, therefore a quality board is needed. I don't have any Prescott experience, so no opinion there. Also, asynch DDR is no big deal so long as it is tight timed.

IMHO, if you have not already invested in a quality 865/875 chipset and decent DDR, take the advice from above. BTW, that is alot of $$ for either cpu, have you considered used cpus?

Edit: really need more info to properly assess your situation.

 

[THUGSROOK]

how many times do we have to say it?
there should be a freaking sticky at the top of this forum at this point!

>do not get a prescott<

especially the 2.4a and 2.8a

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: TStep
What kind of mobo do you have? IIRC, a Willy will not run on an 865/875 chipset, though I have never tried. First make sure the board will accept the cpus you are looking at. If you have a VIA, SIS, or an 845, just end it now and sell as they are all missing something (oc ability, dual channel which P4 really needs, etc)

In one of my systems, I've got a P4 2.4C @3.3ish which means you will need a 275fsb if you are looking for these kinds of results, therefore a quality board is needed. I don't have any Prescott experience, so no opinion there. Also, asynch DDR is no big deal so long as it is tight timed.

IMHO, if you have not already invested in a quality 865/875 chipset and decent DDR, take the advice from above. BTW, that is alot of $$ for either cpu, have you considered used cpus?

Edit: really need more info to properly assess your situation.

I have a P4P800-Deluxe. I'm sorry I forgot to post this. And as for old willy....the p4p800-Deluxe was the only quality board, that I was looking at (also the MSI 865peNeo2-fis2r), that would accept the Willamette core. Used cpus, well....I don't want a used one.

I think that I am going to get the 2.4A at his point. I mean, after tax (only one of them ) and s+h, it'll be something like 199.xx. For the 2.4C, it'd be like 243.xx after tax (both of them ) But, I'd have to wait for the 2.4A to arrive.

how many times do we have to say it?
there should be a freaking sticky at the top of this forum at this point!

>do not get a prescott<

especially the 2.4a and 2.8a

Are you saying this from 1st or 2nd-hand exprience?


Edit: Please don't keep saying the mobile xp. Please, don't post anymore useless posts.

 

[TStep]

P4P800 makes a world of difference. It's this article that gives me heartache when i think about scrapping my P4 setup for a mobile xp setup. Maybe if I was starting new, I would consider it, but not when you have a decent overclocking P4.

I imagine you want super high clocks, but I recently got my hands on a used P4M 1.6 that will do 12x221 on an AI7. High memory speeds, full 512k cache at 2650 (no HT though). Paid $50 used. If your hard up on a budget, that may be an option for you.

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: TStep
P4P800 makes a world of difference. It's this article that gives me heartache when i think about scrapping my P4 setup for a mobile xp setup. Maybe if I was starting new, I would consider it, but not when you have a decent overclocking P4.

I imagine you want super high clocks, but I recently got my hands on a used P4M 1.6 that will do 12x221 on an AI7. High memory speeds, full 512k cache at 2650 (no HT though). Paid $50 used. If your hard up on a budget, that may be an option for you.

Thanks for the info...I still think I'm going to get the 2.4A.

Y'know...I always knew that XP mobos were cheap, as were their corresponding processors...but I just checked out ncix.com again, and learned that I could get a A7N8XE Deluxe and a mobile xp-2500 for 259CDN + s+h. Damn. that's all I can say. Just Damn.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey

Originally posted by: TStep
P4P800 makes a world of difference. It's this article that gives me heartache when i think about scrapping my P4 setup for a mobile xp setup. Maybe if I was starting new, I would consider it, but not when you have a decent overclocking P4.

I imagine you want super high clocks, but I recently got my hands on a used P4M 1.6 that will do 12x221 on an AI7. High memory speeds, full 512k cache at 2650 (no HT though). Paid $50 used. If your hard up on a budget, that may be an option for you.

Thanks for the info...I still think I'm going to get the 2.4A.

Y'know...I always knew that XP mobos were cheap, as were their corresponding processors...but I just checked out ncix.com again, and learned that I could get a A7N8XE Deluxe and a mobile xp-2500 for 259CDN + s+h. Damn. that's all I can say. Just Damn.

After everything we have said why in the hell do you still think you are going to get the 2.4A. The prescott is ONLY good if you are going to clock it around 4-5GHZ. Below that it is useless as the P4C's beat the crap out of it!! Also to reach those OCs you need exotic cooling such as dry ice, phase change or liquid nitrogen so unless you wanna spend 1000's of dollars on a prescott to get it good go AMD or Northwood.

I have the Asus board. Do not get it for OC. Get it for features and stability. For high OCs and features and performance the only board to get is the DFI NFII Ultra Infinity. Also youll need good cooling to make it so i suggest an SLK-947U or an SP-97 HS and a Panaflo 80mm or 92mm low-medium speed fan.

-Kevin

-Kevin

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

After everything we have said why in the hell do you still think you are going to get the 2.4A. The prescott is ONLY good if you are going to clock it around 4-5GHZ. Below that it is useless as the P4C's beat the crap out of it!! Also to reach those OCs you need exotic cooling such as dry ice, phase change or liquid nitrogen so unless you wanna spend 1000's of dollars on a prescott to get it good go AMD or Northwood.

I have the Asus board. Do not get it for OC. Get it for features and stability. For high OCs and features and performance the only board to get is the DFI NFII Ultra Infinity. Also youll need good cooling to make it so i suggest an SLK-947U or an SP-97 HS and a Panaflo 80mm or 92mm low-medium speed fan.

-Kevin

-Kevin

I am not going to pay $50 more just to have a few more fps, and hyperthreading. Would you?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Socket 754 Sempron

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

After everything we have said why in the hell do you still think you are going to get the 2.4A. The prescott is ONLY good if you are going to clock it around 4-5GHZ. Below that it is useless as the P4C's beat the crap out of it!! Also to reach those OCs you need exotic cooling such as dry ice, phase change or liquid nitrogen so unless you wanna spend 1000's of dollars on a prescott to get it good go AMD or Northwood.

I have the Asus board. Do not get it for OC. Get it for features and stability. For high OCs and features and performance the only board to get is the DFI NFII Ultra Infinity. Also youll need good cooling to make it so i suggest an SLK-947U or an SP-97 HS and a Panaflo 80mm or 92mm low-medium speed fan.

-Kevin

-Kevin

I am not going to pay $50 more just to have a few more fps, and hyperthreading. Would you?

Who ever said about spending 50 dollars more. All i said was to get the P4C over the Prescott. That 2.4C is A LOT better than the 2.4A. Not only HT but also 800mhz FSB northwood architecture, less heat, better OCing. It is much better. Like i said before the only reason to buy a prescott processor is if you are using exotic cooling.

Personally i would go AMD right now... but nonetheless intels chips are getting more competitive day by day.

-Kevin

 

[bunnyfubbles]

you mean the pricing is getting more competitive, because performance wise its clearly the other way around

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
Thanks for the info...I still think I'm going to get the 2.4A.

You gonna be sorry. Not a single post that recommends the 2.4A over the 2.4C, so why did you ask if you were not really going to listen to the recommendations. I would get an AMD XP before a 2.4A processor.