::::------- Which one to buy AMD R9 290 or Leadtek GTX 780 (same price) -------:::

[Serious Gamer]

Hi,
I sign up in this forum ,because i am little bit confused and hopefully there's someone is gonna decide for me (and because it's too Active ), i am planing to buy a new graphic card basically everyone advice me to buy one of this two cards R9 290 4GB DDR4 or Leadtek GTX 780 OC 3GD5 because in my country i've found them almost with the same price and because they are beyond my money budget, i know that the R9 290 is better in games then the 780 GTX more FPS and better performance ,and that convinced me to buy the R9 290 but after a little research i've found that the 780 GTX OverClock is way much better then the R9 290 OverClock beside that it's less heated and noise, so that's got me think again of which one to buy and am i really gonna need the OverClock, i hope someone can give me an advice in which one the best in all comparisons starting with playing games in Ultra Settings and good for Graphics Programs like After Effects and 3D's Max ect ..., and if there's another cards with the same price and better then those please mention them ,and last but not least if u are in my place which one u'll choose to buy if u found them with the same price and why, any reply will be appreciated thanks in advance.

 

[.vodka]

These are the latest TPU charts

As you can see the 780 leads the 280x/7970Ghz by a dissapointing 9% at 1080p, if you game at a higher resolution that shrinks to 5%, while the 290 extends its lead. Yes, the vanilla 780 has a lot of overclocking headroom, but then it isn't as powerful a card it used to be before the PS4/XB1, its new games, and Maxwell cards (970/980) arrived. Its performance has fallen off a cliff these days.


You aren't telling us what 290 you have in mind. If you're considering an aftermarket 290, the fact that it's well cooled eliminates powertune's throttling, not to mention they usually come with a small factory OC... add these two together, and such a 290 performs at a stock 290x's level. The 290 is usually good for another 10-15% overclock without getting too power greedy. So guide yourself by the 290x's position in these charts... As you can see the 780 has nothing to do against an aftermarket 290 = 290x.


If you're looking at a reference 290 with the stock blower of hell, then don't bother unless you can get better cooling for it... or you use headphones.

 

[raghu78]

OP if you can get Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X or R9 290 Vapor-X I would say its a no-brainer. The GTX 780 performance in recent games has been unimpressive. In the last 6 months the Kepler architecture has not been performing well in the latest games like Farcry 4, Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor, Dying Light and Evolve is far from competitive.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1533020/gamegpu-gamegpu-2014-video-games-benchmark
http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/19925-geforce-gtx-960-fran-asus-gigabyte-och-msi/17#pagehead

Farcry 4

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/01/07/far_cry_4_video_card_performance_review/6#.VQT7QY4XaZc
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/01/07/far_cry_4_video_card_performance_review/7#.VQT7xo4XaZc

Dying Light
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/dying_light_vga_graphics_performance_review,8.html

Evolve
http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/20031-snabbtest-grafikprestanda-i-evolve/3
http://www.techspot.com/review/962-evolve-benchmarks/page3.html
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-02/evolve-benchmarks-14-grafikkarten-im-vergleich/

 

[loccothan]

The R290 has Full H/W Support for DX11.1 and Up to DX11.3 + DX12 Tier2 (tier 3 will be in R390X series the Next GCN) nV has Only from Fermi to Maxwell DX11 (Look at games with Green Logo, I know that for sure cuz i have those games ;-)
DX11.1 is in BF4, NFS Rivals, Alien Isol. StarCitizen + Other games with AMD Logo.
So i think the choice is R290 and you will be happy... New Omega CAT. are Great !

PS. Im talking about H/W supp. not API support ! lol DX11.2 maby, but there is no game using it now !
nV has only API support for DX11.2
AMD has Full H/W support 11.2 + More

 

[Serious Gamer]

Thanks a lot for your quick replays ,so yes i guess i will get the R9 290 ,but excuse if i am gonna put some links and i want to ask you which one of them that u recommended since there's a ton of the same card ,i am a noob sorry for that, those are the links:

http://www.ouedkniss.com/carte-grap...-4-alger-centre-algerie-informatique-d6139512

http://www.ouedkniss.com/carte-grap...90-alger-centre-algerie-informatique-d6129974

http://www.ouedkniss.com/vga-amd-msi-r9-290-4gd5-gaming-alger-centre-algerie-informatique-d6049449

http://www.ouedkniss.com/msi-amd-r9-290-4gd5-gaming-oran-oran-algerie-informatique-d6048900

http://www.ouedkniss.com/asus-amd-r9-290-dc2oc-4go-oran-oran-algerie-informatique-d6042994

 

[Serious Gamer]

Thanks for the quick replays guys, so it will be the R9 290 ,excuse me if i am gonna put some links of R9 290 that i have found selling in my country since there's a ton of Marks for the same cards ;i am noob sorry for that i hope u can choose for me one of this in the links bellow:
http://www.ouedkniss.com/asus-r9290...b-512-oran-oran-algerie-informatique-d6344723
http://www.ouedkniss.com/carte-grap...-4-alger-centre-algerie-informatique-d6139512
http://www.ouedkniss.com/carte-grap...90-alger-centre-algerie-informatique-d6129974
http://www.ouedkniss.com/vga-amd-msi-r9-290-4gd5-gaming-alger-centre-algerie-informatique-d6049449
http://www.ouedkniss.com/msi-amd-r9-290-4gd5-gaming-oran-oran-algerie-informatique-d6048900
http://www.ouedkniss.com/asus-amd-r9-290-dc2oc-4go-oran-oran-algerie-informatique-d6042994
thanks.

 

[3DVagabond]

The Asus and MSI are not the best models. Can you get either Sapphire Tri-X, Powercolor PCS+, or XFX DD models? Those have high performance coolers specifically designed for Hawaii (R9 290(X)) GPU's and do a better job.

 

[raghu78]

The Asus and MSI are not the best models. Can you get either Sapphire Tri-X, Powercolor PCS+, or XFX DD models? Those have high performance coolers specifically designed for Hawaii (R9 290(X)) GPU's and do a better job.

i agree. OP try and get the Sapphire Tri-X. Without a doubt the best cooler behind the Sapphire Vapor-X which is a bit more costly. PCS+ is next in terms of cooling. I do not recommend XFX as the VRM cooling is not good.

btw which country are you from ? are there other online PC component retail sites from which you can buy ?

 

[3DVagabond]

i agree. OP try and get the Sapphire Tri-X. Without a doubt the best cooler behind the Sapphire Vapor-X which is a bit more costly. PCS+ is next in terms of cooling. I do not recommend XFX as the VRM cooling is not good.

btw which country are you from ? are there other online PC component retail sites from which you can buy ?

Just a footnote on VRM cooling. True that the XFX is not as good, but it's still perfectly adequate. It's almost a mistake for AMD to have VRM sensors report temps because it causes a lot of concern by people who don't understand that 100°C is not a problem for VRM temps.

BTW my list is in descending order of preference. Sapphire>Powercolor>XFX.

 

[Serious Gamer]

there's no much sites to look in, i am from Algeria and for the cards that u've recommended i guess they're more costly from what i've. just a guess i didn't look yet on there prices, i am willing to purchase the R9 290 because as i told u it's beyond my budget ,and for the R9 290X i guess i can't afford it. can u give images or links of the cards that u all have recommended because i am noob haha so i can know the card from it's cover or look ,and let's say those cards Saphire ,PowerColor ,XFX they aren't available is there any other cards thanks waiting for your replay.

 

[loccothan]

And also my List -> XFX DD Black >Sapphire Tri-X > MSI Twin FrozorII
XFX has Best RMA on Market tis days ;-)
How it looks? hmm 2 weeks and you have Brand New XFX in'da'house
I know, cuz i have XFX 7970Ghz Ed and after 2 years one of the fans run out of power ;-) So they send me brand New XFX 280X DD Black in replacement....
XFX is the GPU You Need ! No-Worry with them

 

[raghu78]

there's no much sites to look in, i am from Algeria and for the cards that u've recommended i guess they're more costly from what i've. just a guess i didn't look yet on there prices, i am willing to purchase the R9 290 because as i told u it's beyond my budget ,and for the R9 290X i guess i can't afford it. can u give images or links of the cards that u all have recommended because i am noob haha so i can know the card from it's cover or look ,and let's say those cards Saphire ,PowerColor ,XFX they aren't available is there any other cards thanks waiting for your replay.

here are reviews of Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7601/sapphire-radeon-r9-290-review-our-first-custom-cooled-290

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-and-290x,3728-8.html

 

[Serious Gamer]

Haha nice ,i don't think we have this option in my country especially when it's comes to Graphic cards , from all your replays u've ordered the cards into a different ways. what's the different between Sapphire and Sapphire Tri-X ,XFX DD Black and XFX. i am glad that u putted the MSI Twin FrozorII in your list because i saw it before in some stores .
I found the MSI Twin Frozr II
http://www.ouedkniss.com/msi-amd-r9-290-4gd5-gaming-oran-oran-algerie-informatique-d6048900
can you confirm if this the cards that u're referring to!

 

[badb0y]

These are the latest TPU charts

As you can see the 780 leads the 280x/7970Ghz by a dissapointing 9% at 1080p, if you game at a higher resolution that shrinks to 5%, while the 290 extends its lead. Yes, the vanilla 780 has a lot of overclocking headroom, but then it isn't as powerful a card it used to be before the PS4/XB1, its new games, and Maxwell cards (970/980) arrived. Its performance has fallen off a cliff these days.


You aren't telling us what 290 you have in mind. If you're considering an aftermarket 290, the fact that it's well cooled eliminates powertune's throttling, not to mention they usually come with a small factory OC... add these two together, and such a 290 performs at a stock 290x's level. The 290 is usually good for another 10-15% overclock without getting too power greedy. So guide yourself by the 290x's position in these charts... As you can see the 780 has nothing to do against an aftermarket 290 = 290x.


If you're looking at a reference 290 with the stock blower of hell, then don't bother unless you can get better cooling for it... or you use headphones.

Wow, what happened to the GTX 780? IIRC, it was trading punches with 290X when the 290X launched. How the hell is the the 7970 Ghz so close to it in performance?

 

[Kenmitch]

Wow, what happened to the GTX 780? IIRC, it was trading punches with 290X when the 290X launched. How the hell is the the 7970 Ghz so close to it in performance?

AMD driver improvements. Some say Kepler driver neglect. Some say Kepler is tapped out. AMD's offerings are ageing gracefully no matter how you look at it.

 

[Serious Gamer]

Can please answer My last reply because i am going to buy the card today ,i forgot to tell you my other component:
Mother Board: P8Z77-V PRO
Ram: 2x(4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz
Processor: I5 2500K 3.3Ghz
Graphic Card: Nvidia GeForce 520GT 1GB
am i gonna have any problem with R9 290 ??

 

[Spanners]

Power supply details?

 

[Serious Gamer]

Power supply details?

Yes please ,and has a lower price haha thanks, i guess every power supply with 500W or 650W from corsair or cooler master will do the trick right? i hope i can find it with the blue color ,because i have a blue mother board

 

[loccothan]

Yeah 550- to 1000W are great (Gold One) cuz they working in 40-60% with 89-93 efficiency so the power are great ;-)
Look at my Monster lol I can easily feeed the 2x 295x2 and OC CPU as well as GPU's lol

 

[Serious Gamer]

Yeah 550- to 1000W are great (Gold One) cuz they working in 40-60% with 89-93 efficiency so the power are great ;-)
Look at my Monster lol I can easily feeed the 2x 295x2 and OC CPU as well as GPU's lol

hahah u're taking care well of your monster, i have no clue about the power supplies ,what i should be looking for ? i will told the buyer i want Gold 650W for Example, what about the models should i really look for Cooler Master or Corsair ?and What's 80Plus ?? thanks

 

[Serious Gamer]

I've Found those:
Cooler master GX 750W 80 + Bronze edition 9000 DA
Cooler Master M2 850W 80+ Silver edition 12500 DA
Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000W 80+ Bronze edition 14500 DA
Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000W 80+ GOLD edition 16500 DA
Cooler Master Silent Pro 1200W 80+ GOLD edition 19500 DA

Thermaltake 600W 7000 DA seulement!
Everest 900W 80+ 12500 DA
Everest 850W Bronze 10000 DA
What do you think which one to choose ?

 

[Valantar]

If you're running a single GPU, please don't even consider a PSU over 650W - you'll just be throwing money out the window. Also, efficiency would be way down, as you would be running it at <40% loads even while gaming, which means you're outside of the ideal efficiency band of your PSU. For an R9 290 with a decent OC, 500-550W is perfectly sufficient. 650W if you're heavily OC'ing your cpu and have a ton of drives, lights and other stuff in your case.

 

[Serious Gamer]

If you're running a single GPU, please don't even consider a PSU over 650W - you'll just be throwing money out the window. Also, efficiency would be way down, as you would be running it at <40% loads even while gaming, which means you're outside of the ideal efficiency band of your PSU. For an R9 290 with a decent OC, 500-550W is perfectly sufficient. 650W if you're heavily OC'ing your cpu and have a ton of drives, lights and other stuff in your case.

So every one that i've proposed are wasted of money?? can u give me some good names for the power supplies

 

[Serious Gamer]

We Have only the MSI R9 290 4GD5 GAMING Or The Asus R9 290 in my country, or Basically in most the stores ,wich one should i pick, and the same thing for the R9 290X

 

[wand3r3r]

Personally I like the MSI. It's not the best 290, but it's not a bad card. There were some complaints about the fan oil, I'm not sure how that has panned out. I believe the asus had some heatpipes missing the gpu, plus their warranty is terrible (in the US, which I note you aren't purchasing from).

I personally would rather have overkill in the PSU department, if you ever decide to go SLI/Crossfire then you have the capability to do so. Where those the only PSUs available locally? Get a high quality PSU and it will outlast the rest of your PC. Seasonic and the brands which rebrand (XFX might have been one of them) them are generally regarded as excellent PSUs. PSUs have efficiency curves and it's been a while since I read about them in depth but I have the opinion that they are still very efficient even if you only use a portion of the rated wattage.

I'd go with a 800-1000w PSU if you'll ever consider dual gpu. If not then a high quality 600w would be plenty.