I was wondering if a new PSU would be much better than my generic 450 watt psu that came with my case. I might be able to get one used for around $30. Would this be a good idea? Edit: Scroll down to see my list of choices. Any other good values are welcome too.
Which of these psu's should I get?
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It would be better, my issues with antec are primarily down to life span. They are much better than generic ones and less likely to die.
Do you still want a new psu? What are your specs? Chances are a good 400w psu is better than the 450w that came with your case. I'll tell you a few if you shoot me the specs.
Baked
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Been using a TP480 in my AMD system for about 4 years. Barton 2500+ @ 3200+. Solid. I guess the old Antec PSUs are just better made.
If you need a quality PSU that's affordable, check out the Fortron 400W at newegg. It's around $44 shipped. There's a better version for $49.
If you need a quality PSU that's affordable, check out the Fortron 400W at newegg. It's around $44 shipped. There's a better version for $49.
JEDIYoda
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based on what facts??
I usd an OKIA 450 that came with another case of mine and it powered 2 harddrives and Geforce 6600...a DVD burner and floppy disk and a Zip drive as wll as the mobo and besides that the system was over clocked quite abit and then it also powered 4 -- 120mm fans and 3 -- 80mm fans. That was a few years ago...it is now in use in my brothe-in Laws computer until he orders his PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610.
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
based on what facts??
I usd an OKIA 450 that came with another case of mine and it powered 2 harddrives and Geforce 6600...a DVD burner and floppy disk and a Zip drive as wll as the mobo and besides that the system was over clocked quite abit and then it also powered 4 -- 120mm fans and 3 -- 80mm fans. That was a few years ago...it is now in use in my brothe-in Laws computer until he orders his PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610.
Dude, you don't know what you're saying. Are you trying to say that a rosewill 450w is better than the 5140gh enhance? Cuz I'm saying the vise versa.
Originally posted by: acegazda
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
based on what facts??
I usd an OKIA 450 that came with another case of mine and it powered 2 harddrives and Geforce 6600...a DVD burner and floppy disk and a Zip drive as wll as the mobo and besides that the system was over clocked quite abit and then it also powered 4 -- 120mm fans and 3 -- 80mm fans. That was a few years ago...it is now in use in my brothe-in Laws computer until he orders his PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610.
Dude, you don't know what you're saying. Are you trying to say that a rosewill 450w is better than the 5140gh enhance? Cuz I'm saying the vise versa.
Sadly the jedi accademy seems to have removed statistics and probability from the syllabus.
JEDIYoda
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Originally posted by: acegazda
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
based on what facts??
I usd an OKIA 450 that came with another case of mine and it powered 2 harddrives and Geforce 6600...a DVD burner and floppy disk and a Zip drive as wll as the mobo and besides that the system was over clocked quite abit and then it also powered 4 -- 120mm fans and 3 -- 80mm fans. That was a few years ago...it is now in use in my brothe-in Laws computer until he orders his PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610.
Dude, you don't know what you're saying. Are you trying to say that a rosewill 450w is better than the 5140gh enhance? Cuz I'm saying the vise versa.
chances are you are putting words into my mouth...the facts are very simple.....
I will type slow so you don`t have to try to read to fast..ok??
there are alot of people myself including now and previously who at one time had a case or several that came with generic power supplies.
So far you understand correct?
Am I typing to fast???
As they got into computers and starting adding stuff they never bothered to even think about the PSU becuase after all its just there..
So far you understand correct?
Am I typing to fast???
Too this day they still use the generic ACME..OKIA etc....
With no ill effects.....are you going to tell me they should get rid of there power supply and buy a new one just because its a generic power supply???
get real...will you!!
I switched becaus i finally added too many fans and I was having random reboots....
But until my PSU arrived my computer continued to work just fine as long as I did not add another fan...
So far you understand correct?
Was I typing to fast???
JEDIYoda
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Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Originally posted by: acegazda
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
based on what facts??
I usd an OKIA 450 that came with another case of mine and it powered 2 harddrives and Geforce 6600...a DVD burner and floppy disk and a Zip drive as wll as the mobo and besides that the system was over clocked quite abit and then it also powered 4 -- 120mm fans and 3 -- 80mm fans. That was a few years ago...it is now in use in my brothe-in Laws computer until he orders his PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610.
Dude, you don't know what you're saying. Are you trying to say that a rosewill 450w is better than the 5140gh enhance? Cuz I'm saying the vise versa.
Sadly the jedi accademy seems to have removed statistics and probability from the syllabus.
sadly if you could direct me to a sight where i could se those statistic concerning failure rates of generic PSU`s I would be much obliged...
I do understand what you are trying to say...but your are trying to be a smart ahss......when you know there are a hell of alot more people using generic power supplies who are having no issues at all......explain that please?
using your so called confirmed statistics......
Then you must try to say or implie that probablility has a part in this which by all accounts the only part probablity plays is to enforce my belief that alot of people who have generic PSU`s that came with there computer have no idea that there PSU is generic or that there could or ever will be a future PSU problem.
Why? Becuase they really don`t care as long as there computer works.
JEDI - 1 BTL --0
then we deal with a different segment that actually want to over clock and play games other than Canasta and desire to fix and work on there own computers.
Those are the people who care about what components they have...
The others who easily out number those of us who are on these forums and such just don`t care thus the generic PSU works just fine for them.....
Every computer my family and myself have ever had has run on a generic power supply. To this day there has still not been a single failure.
Simple rule of if it's not broke don't fix it, but if you have "dirty" power and the particular generic PSU is a known bad power handling then an upgrade would be warranted to protect components.
But, on topic, my gen 1 Tru 480 runs great but a bit noisey.
But, on topic, my gen 1 Tru 480 runs great but a bit noisey.
Jjoshua2
you can run ANY system on a crappy, underpowered PSU supply for an nfinite amount of time. With any luck, it won't die and take out your mobo, hdd and vid-card.
A crappy psu will act normal (to an extent) until it dies. Sometimes the death is gradual and non-catastrophic. Sometimes it costs you $$$. It is normally expensive when a cheap PSU dies because it likely has fewer safety considerations during it's failure mode.
As for PSU brands? My old favorite is getting sloppy and cheap on some models, so the old ones I would reccomend are the Zalmans for a reasonable price, and of course ZIppy, and their competitors.
you can run ANY system on a crappy, underpowered PSU supply for an nfinite amount of time. With any luck, it won't die and take out your mobo, hdd and vid-card.
A crappy psu will act normal (to an extent) until it dies. Sometimes the death is gradual and non-catastrophic. Sometimes it costs you $$$. It is normally expensive when a cheap PSU dies because it likely has fewer safety considerations during it's failure mode.
As for PSU brands? My old favorite is getting sloppy and cheap on some models, so the old ones I would reccomend are the Zalmans for a reasonable price, and of course ZIppy, and their competitors.
JEDIYoda
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I`m sorry Slammy1 but thats just not true!! Define dirty power? In the context of the average person who does not care and who has had no problems with there PC and has no aspirations to do more than surf the internet and be on yahoo messenger and maybe play canasta your comments are baseless.
So simple rule also applies there...If its not broke don`t fix it...even if you have dirty power....
rofl@dirty power...everybody has there own definition of dirty power....lol
If you have a failure rate of 10% with generic PSUs and you have 5 machines then there is a very good chance that you won't have any problems. Of course the longer you use the PSU for the greater the chance of failure as well. If you don't use it that much then it'll extend the lifespan further.
As to Yoda's attempt at logic, most people use store built computers which are made with decent quality parts. Not the generic crap that you get with cases or that gets Rosewill stuck on the label. It's not flawed logic, there's no logic there at all.
Dirty power would be the potential for surges, like with old or improperly done wiring (plus environmental conditions like lightning play a role). I think anyone requesting advice on these boards would be considered a somewhat advanced user, esp if they have the tech savvy to install to a generic case and/or to replace their PSU.
I used to live in a heavy storm area. I had a generic 400W and a lightning storm hit. The lightning hit close, fried my PSU (fortunately, the generic PSU gave it's life for my system, didn't fry anything else). So I upgraded to an Enermax 365FC (350W) and started turning my PC off during storms. I was listening to music really loud one day, and I walked out of the sound field and a lightning bolt struck nearby. The lights went out for a few seconds, I immediately went back to my PC and found it not only stayed on but did not error in any way (even checked the log after the storm, nothing). That system is still running at a friend's. no problems at all. The generic PSU did its job (we salute you, mon ami) but the Enermax definitely was a lot less scary.
Should they upgrade as a matter of recourse? Of course not but when purchasing a case or PSU, quality should be an important consideration. Remember when Sparkle was considered a great PSU? Not meaning to get involved in the argument, I'd say both sides have merit and that neither is absolute.
I used to live in a heavy storm area. I had a generic 400W and a lightning storm hit. The lightning hit close, fried my PSU (fortunately, the generic PSU gave it's life for my system, didn't fry anything else). So I upgraded to an Enermax 365FC (350W) and started turning my PC off during storms. I was listening to music really loud one day, and I walked out of the sound field and a lightning bolt struck nearby. The lights went out for a few seconds, I immediately went back to my PC and found it not only stayed on but did not error in any way (even checked the log after the storm, nothing). That system is still running at a friend's. no problems at all. The generic PSU did its job (we salute you, mon ami) but the Enermax definitely was a lot less scary.
Should they upgrade as a matter of recourse? Of course not but when purchasing a case or PSU, quality should be an important consideration. Remember when Sparkle was considered a great PSU? Not meaning to get involved in the argument, I'd say both sides have merit and that neither is absolute.
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: acegazda
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
based on what facts??
I usd an OKIA 450 that came with another case of mine and it powered 2 harddrives and Geforce 6600...a DVD burner and floppy disk and a Zip drive as wll as the mobo and besides that the system was over clocked quite abit and then it also powered 4 -- 120mm fans and 3 -- 80mm fans. That was a few years ago...it is now in use in my brothe-in Laws computer until he orders his PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610.
Dude, you don't know what you're saying. Are you trying to say that a rosewill 450w is better than the 5140gh enhance? Cuz I'm saying the vise versa.
chances are you are putting words into my mouth...the facts are very simple.....
I will type slow so you don`t have to try to read to fast..ok??
there are alot of people myself including now and previously who at one time had a case or several that came with generic power supplies.
So far you understand correct?
Am I typing to fast???
As they got into computers and starting adding stuff they never bothered to even think about the PSU becuase after all its just there..
So far you understand correct?
Am I typing to fast???
Too this day they still use the generic ACME..OKIA etc....
With no ill effects.....are you going to tell me they should get rid of there power supply and buy a new one just because its a generic power supply???
get real...will you!!
I switched becaus i finally added too many fans and I was having random reboots....
But until my PSU arrived my computer continued to work just fine as long as I did not add another fan...
So far you understand correct?
Was I typing to fast???
Alright, granted you may not have said that it was better, but the fact remains that you killed your typing joke after the 2nd time you said it, and the chances that the psu such as a rosewill or okia dies is far greater than even an antec and vastly greater than a quality psu. Lets all just agree w/ sammy, buy a new psu when it dies and pray it doesn't blow up!
Well, I wish I had your self control...
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
chances are you are putting words into my mouth...the facts are very simple.....
I will type slow so you don`t have to try to read to fast..ok??
there are alot of people myself including now and previously who at one time had a case or several that came with generic power supplies.
So far you understand correct?
Am I typing to fast???
As they got into computers and starting adding stuff they never bothered to even think about the PSU becuase after all its just there..
So far you understand correct?
Am I typing to fast???
Too this day they still use the generic ACME..OKIA etc....
With no ill effects.....are you going to tell me they should get rid of there power supply and buy a new one just because its a generic power supply???
get real...will you!!
I switched becaus i finally added too many fans and I was having random reboots....
But until my PSU arrived my computer continued to work just fine as long as I did not add another fan...
So far you understand correct?
Was I typing to fast???
W. T. F. are you talking about boy? Are you an electronic engineer? Because there are plenty of people here who are electronic engineers who will tell you that there are plenty of problems caused by cheap power supplies, and there is such a thing as dirty power. And "rofl@dirty power" ... "everybody has there own definition of dirty power" ... ? WTF? 'Dirty power' is power which fluctuates by a significant margin from the set voltage, did you think he was making it up?!?
Did you mean "if you could direct me to a site where I could see those statistics concerning failure rates of generic PSUs, I would be much obliged"? Are you incapable of writing a sentance?
Since you also seem incapable of using google - here is such a 'sight':
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2005/07/11/stress_test/
Witness the failures.
I'm still looking for a power supply. Do you think buying used is a bad idea or ok? Which one of these is the best value if I am going to upgrade? I have a DFI Ultrad- a x800xl and opty 144 @ 2.8ghz. I'd like to upgrade to opty 165 in the close future.
Thermaltake Silent PurePower 480W (OEM) - $20 + S/H
Power supply: Enermax EG565P-VE(24P) EPS12V, SLi ready -- $55 shipped
Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-450 ATX12V 450W Power Supply 115/230 V UL -- $40 shipped
Any other good values welcome too.
Thermaltake Silent PurePower 480W (OEM) - $20 + S/H
Power supply: Enermax EG565P-VE(24P) EPS12V, SLi ready -- $55 shipped
Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-450 ATX12V 450W Power Supply 115/230 V UL -- $40 shipped
Any other good values welcome too.
SparkyJJO
Lifer
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Correction - most but not all of those systems are built with decent quality stuff. Emachines is one that is not
Bestec PSUs are in no way "decent" - I just opened one up not that long ago that died and the number of components - or lack thereof - was aweful. Seems those things like taking out the mobos as well.Jjoshua2 of those three I'd say the enermax, but for another $10 you can get a nice 500W Enhance PSU. That should give you enough power and upgradeability for now
SparkyJJO
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I'm serious, Howard here has a link in his sig to a PSU guide and enhance is in the list. I get the impression that they are more like the underdog, good stuff for a lesser price. Maybe they used to be not so good but their PSUs now are fine from what I've been reading.
They used to be a stricly OEM mfg, however, now they've stepped it up and produced some really excellent psus. Check out jonnyguru.com. He has a review of the 5140gh, great budget unit for single gfx cards.
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