Which of these psu's should I get?

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Jjoshua2
So what do you think of that $20 thermaltake one, is thermaltake a good brand?

I think it won't push an Opty 165, at least not an overclocked one. Get the Enermax, and you won't be sorry. Psu's that go bad have a way of taking the motherboard with them, sometimes other components, especially hard drives.

 

[dBTelos]

Originally posted by: Jjoshua2
So what do you think of that $20 thermaltake one, is thermaltake a good brand?

The Toughpower series is decent, the rest are crap.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: Oxaqata
Every computer my family and myself have ever had has run on a generic power supply. To this day there has still not been a single failure.

If you have a failure rate of 10% with generic PSUs and you have 5 machines then there is a very good chance that you won't have any problems. Of course the longer you use the PSU for the greater the chance of failure as well. If you don't use it that much then it'll extend the lifespan further.

As to Yoda's attempt at logic, most people use store built computers which are made with decent quality parts. Not the generic crap that you get with cases or that gets Rosewill stuck on the label. It's not flawed logic, there's no logic there at all.

Again your trying to put human reasoning behind the fact you have no confirmed written verified facts to support your statement!!

 

[dBTelos]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: Oxaqata
Every computer my family and myself have ever had has run on a generic power supply. To this day there has still not been a single failure.

If you have a failure rate of 10% with generic PSUs and you have 5 machines then there is a very good chance that you won't have any problems. Of course the longer you use the PSU for the greater the chance of failure as well. If you don't use it that much then it'll extend the lifespan further.

As to Yoda's attempt at logic, most people use store built computers which are made with decent quality parts. Not the generic crap that you get with cases or that gets Rosewill stuck on the label. It's not flawed logic, there's no logic there at all.

Again your trying to put human reasoning behind the fact you have no confirmed written verified facts to support your statement!!

When your talking about a blanked statement you can't always back it up with facts. Listing the PSU included in every 'computer store built computer' is simply impossible.

 

[acegazda]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: Oxaqata
Every computer my family and myself have ever had has run on a generic power supply. To this day there has still not been a single failure.

If you have a failure rate of 10% with generic PSUs and you have 5 machines then there is a very good chance that you won't have any problems. Of course the longer you use the PSU for the greater the chance of failure as well. If you don't use it that much then it'll extend the lifespan further.

As to Yoda's attempt at logic, most people use store built computers which are made with decent quality parts. Not the generic crap that you get with cases or that gets Rosewill stuck on the label. It's not flawed logic, there's no logic there at all.

Again your trying to put human reasoning behind the fact you have no confirmed written verified facts to support your statement!!

It's more of a probability, like someone pointed out before, and it all comes back to quality. Most people skimp on the psu, you must have said this at one point. It is really a very important part of the pc. Even if a "crap" psu is running the rig so-so, eh... it can still reboot randomly and/or cause problems. As for your cold hard fact fettish... I'll dig up some depreciation curve numbers.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Jjoshua2

you can run ANY system on a crappy, underpowered PSU supply for an nfinite amount of time. With any luck, it won't die and take out your mobo, hdd and vid-card.

A crappy psu will act normal (to an extent) until it dies. Sometimes the death is gradual and non-catastrophic. Sometimes it costs you $$$. It is normally expensive when a cheap PSU dies because it likely has fewer safety considerations during it's failure mode.

As for PSU brands? My old favorite is getting sloppy and cheap on some models, so the old ones I would reccomend are the Zalmans for a reasonable price, and of course ZIppy, and their competitors.

Lets change your words around so you will understand what i am saying as well as others....ready??-- here goes.....

you can run ANY system on a descent, underpowered--you cannot assume that all generic PSU`s are underpowered....they may not put out what there rated wattage is but in the scheme of things thats not an issue if they power whatever they are suppose to power!! PSU supply for an nfinite amount of time. With any luck, it won't die and take out your mobo, hdd and vid-card.

A descent or good psu will act normal (to an extent) until it dies. Sometimes the death is gradual and non-catastrophic. Sometimes it costs you $$$. It is normally expensive when a cheap PSU dies because it likely has fewer safety considerations during it's failure mode.-- sounds true of almost all PSU`s when they start to go bad..hmmmAs for PSU brands? My old favorite is getting sloppy and cheap on some models, so the old ones I would reccomend are the Zalmans for a reasonable price, and of course ZIppy, and their competitors. -- I can agree somewhat...

 

[acegazda]

Hmmm... pretty good, zalmans are rebadged fortrons so presumably they are good, though very new. Just a note: while it is true that all psus are dangerous when they fail, the likelyhood of an OKIA failing as opposed to a seasonic or something is far greater, thus more dangerous and insensible.

 

[dBTelos]

Hmmm... pretty good, zalmans are rebadged fortrons so presumably they are good, though very new.

I feel that the Zalman PSU's are wayyy over priced considering they are rebadged FSPs. You could pick up a Seasonic for the price of a Zalman!

 

[maluckey]

Originally posted by: dBTelos

Hmmm... pretty good, zalmans are rebadged fortrons so presumably they are good, though very new.

I feel that the Zalman PSU's are wayyy over priced considering they are rebadged FSPs. You could pick up a Seasonic for the price of a Zalman!

Yup!! You can.

Also, inside the Zalmans you'll see that they are more than just rebadged in many cases. Because of the focus on silence, Zalman is often forced to use better caps at critcal areas, as well as better heatsinks so if you simply add a better fan, you get an upgraded FSP at a reasonable price for parts and labor!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: acegazda
Hmmm... pretty good, zalmans are rebadged fortrons so presumably they are good, though very new. Just a note: while it is true that all psus are dangerous when they fail, the likelyhood of an OKIA failing as opposed to a seasonic or something is far greater, thus more dangerous and insensible.

again thats nonsense to millions of people who have used the same computer for years without ever looking inside the case!!!

What do you say to all those people?
Get a new PSU immediately...lololl....show me statistics that back up what you are saying about the likelyhood of OKIA`s failing....

Ahh I get it your just blowing smoke...
Albeit I will agree that Seasonic is a better product I will tell you unless you need to replace a generic PSU then a Seasonic is not much use to somebody who doesn`t need a PSU!!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: Oxaqata
Every computer my family and myself have ever had has run on a generic power supply. To this day there has still not been a single failure.

If you have a failure rate of 10% with generic PSUs and you have 5 machines then there is a very good chance that you won't have any problems. Of course the longer you use the PSU for the greater the chance of failure as well. If you don't use it that much then it'll extend the lifespan further.

As to Yoda's attempt at logic, most people use store built computers which are made with decent quality parts. Not the generic crap that you get with cases or that gets Rosewill stuck on the label. It's not flawed logic, there's no logic there at all.

Actually most store bought PC`s are actually built with PSU`s that come with the case....

so now its JEDI --2 BTL -- 0...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: acegazda

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: Oxaqata
Every computer my family and myself have ever had has run on a generic power supply. To this day there has still not been a single failure.

If you have a failure rate of 10% with generic PSUs and you have 5 machines then there is a very good chance that you won't have any problems. Of course the longer you use the PSU for the greater the chance of failure as well. If you don't use it that much then it'll extend the lifespan further.

As to Yoda's attempt at logic, most people use store built computers which are made with decent quality parts. Not the generic crap that you get with cases or that gets Rosewill stuck on the label. It's not flawed logic, there's no logic there at all.

Again your trying to put human reasoning behind the fact you have no confirmed written verified facts to support your statement!!

It's more of a probability, like someone pointed out before, and it all comes back to quality. Most people skimp on the psu, you must have said this at one point. It is really a very important part of the pc. Even if a "crap" psu is running the rig so-so, eh... it can still reboot randomly and/or cause problems. As for your cold hard fact fettish... I'll dig up some depreciation curve numbers.

nobody is saying a quality PSU is not preferable to a crappy generic one....
What is being said is there are millions of people who have PC`s who havenever looked inside the case and never will who unbwknowst to them have generic PSU`s!!!


Once again you can usse such words as statistic and probability all you want....they mean nothing of the is nothing wrong with the PC........correct me if I am wrong plz....

There is no reason at all to pop open your PC and pull a perfectly fine working PSU out and replace it just because......is there?

 

[acegazda]

Jeez this is stupid. I had this same argument with you over something that toolius posted. This thread is done.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Boyo
I'm not going to get into a flame war

Well, I wish I had your self control...

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
chances are you are putting words into my mouth...the facts are very simple.....

I will type slow so you don`t have to try to read to fast..ok??

there are alot of people myself including now and previously who at one time had a case or several that came with generic power supplies.
So far you understand correct?
Am I typing to fast???
As they got into computers and starting adding stuff they never bothered to even think about the PSU becuase after all its just there..
So far you understand correct?
Am I typing to fast???
Too this day they still use the generic ACME..OKIA etc....
With no ill effects.....are you going to tell me they should get rid of there power supply and buy a new one just because its a generic power supply???
get real...will you!!
I switched becaus i finally added too many fans and I was having random reboots....
But until my PSU arrived my computer continued to work just fine as long as I did not add another fan...
So far you understand correct?
Was I typing to fast???

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I`m sorry Slammy1 but thats just not true!! Define dirty power? In the context of the average person who does not care and who has had no problems with there PC and has no aspirations to do more than surf the internet and be on yahoo messenger and maybe play canasta your comments are baseless.

So simple rule also applies there...If its not broke don`t fix it...even if you have dirty power....

rofl@dirty power...everybody has there own definition of dirty power....lol

W. T. F. are you talking about boy? Are you an electronic engineer? Because there are plenty of people here who are electronic engineers who will tell you that there are plenty of problems caused by cheap power supplies, and there is such a thing as dirty power. And "rofl@dirty power" ... "everybody has there own definition of dirty power" ... ? WTF? 'Dirty power' is power which fluctuates by a significant margin from the set voltage, did you think he was making it up?!?

sadly if you could direct me to a sight where i could se those statistic concerning failure rates of generic PSU`s I would be much obliged

Did you mean "if you could direct me to a site where I could see those statistics concerning failure rates of generic PSUs, I would be much obliged"? Are you incapable of writing a sentance?

Since you also seem incapable of using google - here is such a 'sight':

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2005/07/11/stress_test/

Witness the failures.

Sadly you are mistaken...in your assumption that there a many many electrical engineers on these forums!!
There are a few and then there are 100`s of wannabees......

You pull good ole Tomshardware out of the old hat as proof.....
what proof is that?
Even other reputable sites saaid alot of Tom`s testing perameters were flawed....
In fact Tom`s reputation has hit the shizza can if ya know what I mean....

Now you try to come across with what you say is proof again...
Now you try to speak in coherant english yet my point satill holds true 100% true by the way!!

What do you say to those millions of households where generic PSU`s are in use day in and day out with no issues arising from having a PSU that might not be able to like up to its 450 watt billing or might have a tremndous amount of line ripple...yet these people who use them only care about one thing!!
My computer works day after day after day with NO errors or reboots...etc...etc

BTW -- you obviously don`t comprehend english very well....
Tom`s site does NOT give any statistics at all concerning the failure rate amoung millions of generic PSU`s.....if it does show me?

You cannot base statistics or even probability on the basis of one PSU from 16 different brands???

Cheap power is what? Dirty power is od what level of inportance to those who really only know that when they get up in the moring there computer works boots up and they can use it all day if need be?

Again...dirty power...rofl......

If you would like I can type slower so you can understand....

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: acegazda
Jeez this is stupid. I had this same argument with you over something that toolius posted. This thread is done.

YES it is stoopid that so many cannot see that they are--mys4lf included in the minority when it comes to using a quality PSU vs a generic PSU!!

My point always goes back to this-- as lomg as somebody is happy it does not matter what PSU they have and they probably don`t really care as long as their computer works!!

nuff said!!

 

[acegazda]

Great! Then why are you still talking? OP will stick with the came-with-the-case psu untill it dies and then he WILL get a new quality psu!

 

[xgsound]

To the OP: Here's neweggs listing for the Enermax at $84. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103512 It shows 50 customer reviews to look over. While I'd prefer the single ?33A 12v rail 465, this looks like a solid choice to me at that price. It seems the biggest complaint is that storing and routing the long wires is a problem in a small case.

As to these other comments ... Well, you guys keep typing it in and I'll keep reading it ... I don't know why, but I'll keep reading it.


Jim