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Which nation has the best military?

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: StevenYoo
Originally posted by: JS80
1. Israel
2. US
The rest are irrelevant.
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yeah, i have to agree with Israel.

if they had a military the size of ours, we'd be speaking Hebrew
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Israel would be nothing without us.
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Not true. Israel won the war of 1948 against the collective Arab nations with no help from the US. In fact, the US had imposed an arms embargo in 1947 on the entire region.

Israel won it's Independence against all the Arab nations on it's own.

Many of the Arab nations had British support in the form of weapons and soldiers.

Israel, on the other hand, was forced to smuggle weapons, principally from Czechoslovakia.

It is just a flat out myth that Israel needs, or needed the US. Yes, the support offered after the 1948 war was great for them, but in 1948 they proved they could do it alone.

In fact, the only reason the US offered support during the cold war is that many of the Arab nations were being supported by the USSR. However, Israel could have just as easily found weapons from another western nation.
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They won in 1948 not because they were powerful, but because the Arab 'forces' were a joke. They were joined by their hate of Israel, but they didn't commit much further.

However, currently, I don't see Israel surviving if we hadn't built them up with technology, information, and weaponry.
 
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
US, our technology is probably 3 or 4 decades above and beyond anyone elses. Israel is #2 because their level of training is superior. However Israel wouldn't have any guns to shoot or planes to fly w/o the US, and 1000 guys throwing sticks cant beat even 1 humvee.
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apparently you've never been on the wrong end of a stick throwing 🙁
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: StevenYoo
Originally posted by: JS80
1. Israel
2. US
The rest are irrelevant.
Click to expand...

yeah, i have to agree with Israel.

if they had a military the size of ours, we'd be speaking Hebrew
Click to expand...

Israel would be nothing without us.
Click to expand...
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Not true. Israel won the war of 1948 against the collective Arab nations with no help from the US. In fact, the US had imposed an arms embargo in 1947 on the entire region.

Israel won it's Independence against all the Arab nations on it's own.

Many of the Arab nations had British support in the form of weapons and soldiers.

Israel, on the other hand, was forced to smuggle weapons, principally from Czechoslovakia.

It is just a flat out myth that Israel needs, or needed the US. Yes, the support offered after the 1948 war was great for them, but in 1948 they proved they could do it alone.

In fact, the only reason the US offered support during the cold war is that many of the Arab nations were being supported by the USSR. However, Israel could have just as easily found weapons from another western nation.
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there would be no modern israel without the U.S....
 
Originally posted by: Mickey Eye
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
USA... our technology destroys anything else on the planet.. hell, we have battleship cannons that will fire 50 miles with accuracy. that's like camping with an awp in CS on an open plane map 😛
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Norway and Sweden have stealth ships. I know the US does too but Norway and Sweden also managed to put weapons on theirs. A small but important detail.


It's true though, the army that fits the location it is needed in is automatically the best if numbers are even.

There was a US admiral visitng with part of a Nato sea group that was very impressed with the size of Norwegian subs. They are really really small... and can fire into the fjord sealanes from comparitably shallow water. Useless in an ocean but they rule their local waters. And again with the Skjold norwegian stealth boat, it's fitted with a missile the can only travel as far as the longest stretch of fjord... doesn't need to go further, it's not like it's going to be hit back. It's cheaper to produce and more reliable.

You can keep your battleship, its an easy target.
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Not with several subs under the water protecting it, and fighters in the air from the carrier in it's battle group.
 
Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: StevenYoo
Originally posted by: JS80
1. Israel
2. US
The rest are irrelevant.
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yeah, i have to agree with Israel.

if they had a military the size of ours, we'd be speaking Hebrew
Click to expand...

Israel would be nothing without us.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

Not true. Israel won the war of 1948 against the collective Arab nations with no help from the US. In fact, the US had imposed an arms embargo in 1947 on the entire region.

Israel won it's Independence against all the Arab nations on it's own.

Many of the Arab nations had British support in the form of weapons and soldiers.

Israel, on the other hand, was forced to smuggle weapons, principally from Czechoslovakia.

It is just a flat out myth that Israel needs, or needed the US. Yes, the support offered after the 1948 war was great for them, but in 1948 they proved they could do it alone.

In fact, the only reason the US offered support during the cold war is that many of the Arab nations were being supported by the USSR. However, Israel could have just as easily found weapons from another western nation.
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there would be no modern israel without the U.S....
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Yes. The US was instrumental in giving the Israelis the nuclear bomb. :roll: The US does not perpetuate Israel but rather pacifies Israel somewhat by giving it the means to defend itself militarily without resorting to nuclear attacks. Without the US aid, the middle east would probably be a large sheet of glass by now.
 
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
US, our technology is probably 3 or 4 decades above and beyond anyone elses. Israel is #2 because their level of training is superior. However Israel wouldn't have any guns to shoot or planes to fly w/o the US, and 1000 guys throwing sticks cant beat even 1 humvee.
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I would bet the Iraqi insurgency aren't as well trained as the Israelis, and they're blowing up humvees.
 
I don't think you can compare overall, because you more or less have to compare other major factors. Let's look at a few basic things.

China has the largest standing army, but they can't move the thing outside of China, so they lose as soon as they have to move.

North Korea has a huge standing army, but most of their equipment is old and decrepit. Other than the rockets they're constantly working on, they'd be lucky if anything worked.

Israel is extremely dominent in the air, but they don't have overwhelming dominence on land. When they go on raids into Gaza or the West Bank, they tend to take quite a few casualties.

We, on the other hand, can completely cripple a state without going in it. The Marines are simply awesome at what they do. Additionally, we have the capacity to move thousands of soldiers and equipment across the globe in record timing.

The U.K. has the SAS, which are, well, they just own at what they do.
 
Originally posted by: Reel
Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: StevenYoo
Originally posted by: JS80
1. Israel
2. US
The rest are irrelevant.
Click to expand...

yeah, i have to agree with Israel.

if they had a military the size of ours, we'd be speaking Hebrew
Click to expand...

Israel would be nothing without us.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

Not true. Israel won the war of 1948 against the collective Arab nations with no help from the US. In fact, the US had imposed an arms embargo in 1947 on the entire region.

Israel won it's Independence against all the Arab nations on it's own.

Many of the Arab nations had British support in the form of weapons and soldiers.

Israel, on the other hand, was forced to smuggle weapons, principally from Czechoslovakia.

It is just a flat out myth that Israel needs, or needed the US. Yes, the support offered after the 1948 war was great for them, but in 1948 they proved they could do it alone.

In fact, the only reason the US offered support during the cold war is that many of the Arab nations were being supported by the USSR. However, Israel could have just as easily found weapons from another western nation.
Click to expand...

there would be no modern israel without the U.S....
Click to expand...

Yes. The US was instrumental in giving the Israelis the nuclear bomb. :roll: The US does not perpetuate Israel but rather pacifies Israel somewhat by giving it the means to defend itself militarily without resorting to nuclear attacks. Without the US aid, the middle east would probably be a large sheet of glass by now.
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Actually, France helped with Dimona, not us.

As for the aid, yeah, it's more like a "don't go too far" leash. They don't really need it, but it gives us a bit of control of how far Israel will go with anything.
 
Hers a quick fact.

2 US billion dollar Stealth planes were shot down with a bazooka in serbia during the bombings. hah!
 
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
US, our technology is probably 3 or 4 decades above and beyond anyone elses. Israel is #2 because their level of training is superior. However Israel wouldn't have any guns to shoot or planes to fly w/o the US, and 1000 guys throwing sticks cant beat even 1 humvee.
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I would bet the Iraqi insurgency aren't as well trained as the Israelis, and they're blowing up humvees.
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Like Vietnam, they know their terrain.
 
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Reel
Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: StevenYoo
Originally posted by: JS80
1. Israel
2. US
The rest are irrelevant.
Click to expand...

yeah, i have to agree with Israel.

if they had a military the size of ours, we'd be speaking Hebrew
Click to expand...

Israel would be nothing without us.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

Not true. Israel won the war of 1948 against the collective Arab nations with no help from the US. In fact, the US had imposed an arms embargo in 1947 on the entire region.

Israel won it's Independence against all the Arab nations on it's own.

Many of the Arab nations had British support in the form of weapons and soldiers.

Israel, on the other hand, was forced to smuggle weapons, principally from Czechoslovakia.

It is just a flat out myth that Israel needs, or needed the US. Yes, the support offered after the 1948 war was great for them, but in 1948 they proved they could do it alone.

In fact, the only reason the US offered support during the cold war is that many of the Arab nations were being supported by the USSR. However, Israel could have just as easily found weapons from another western nation.
Click to expand...

there would be no modern israel without the U.S....
Click to expand...

Yes. The US was instrumental in giving the Israelis the nuclear bomb. :roll: The US does not perpetuate Israel but rather pacifies Israel somewhat by giving it the means to defend itself militarily without resorting to nuclear attacks. Without the US aid, the middle east would probably be a large sheet of glass by now.
Click to expand...

Actually, France helped with Dimona, not us.

As for the aid, yeah, it's more like a "don't go too far" leash. They don't really need it, but it gives us a bit of control of how far Israel will go with anything.
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Yeah I am aware. Sorry for not being clear. The eye roll was meant to imply sarcasm.
 
Originally posted by: Molondo
Hers a quick fact.

2 US billion dollar Stealth planes were shot down with a bazooka in serbia during the bombings. hah!
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Unit cost of a F-117 is about 1/10th of that and the downing was made by an SA-3 battery with some creative command thinking + luck.
 
The immortal penguin army of Antarctica is a true force to reckon with.
If you can survive the inhospitable terrain long enough to fight the penguins, the penguins will just kill you with their antimatter blasters.
If you have an antimater blast shield, their allies, the polar bear sniper brigades, will shoot fangs of justice at you and kill you with one shot!
Last but not least, the penguin King, A.K.A. Tux, has applied lasers to sharks. The highly trained sharks with fricken laser beams will cause total devastation to all enemy navel forces.
 
Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
Originally posted by: Molondo
Hers a quick fact.

2 US billion dollar Stealth planes were shot down with a bazooka in serbia during the bombings. hah!
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Stealth Shot Down

http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/f117.htm

Unit cost is 120 million

Your quick fact sucks

EDIT: Actually unit cost is only 45 Million. 120 must be fully equiped or something.
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The B2 Stealth bomber costed about 2.2 billion each, but I don't think they've ever been shot down.
 
South Korea

RoK Marines


Originally posted by: StevenYoo
Vietnam?

they've never lost.

hahahaha
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Link to some more info[/quote]

That was confirmed by Dale Andrade.
In his book Historical Atlas of the Vietnam War, Harry G. Summers,
Jr wrote:

"...And it was its enemies who paid it the greatest compliment.
According to historian Dale Andrade, one captured Viet Cong
document warned that "contact with the Koreans is to be avoided
unless victory is 100 percent certain."
 
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