Which LCD should i buy for gaming?

[Schadenfroh]

DELL UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide

or

Dell UltraSharp 2001FP 20.1-inch

Say i could get either for the same price

my question, im used to running 100hz refresh rate @ 1024X768, i assume 1280X960 is the same ratio. Will i notice any ghosting or any other issues when it comes to running a low refresh rate on these monitors? about 60hz. Also, i notice from the 2005FPW thread that the 2001FP is larger in terms of area, but the other is wide. I dont understand how my games would able to look like a normal monitor on the wide screen without doing some sorta wierd ratio. Also, what does native mean in LCDs?

What is dell's warranty on these things? I refuse to spend this much cash on something with a POS 90 day warranty that does not cover bad pixels

thanks

 

[McArra]

I vote 2001FP. Native resolution is the one where the monitor looks best, and you should use it for great IQ. Also the resolution of this TFT is much more common and games won't get the strange looking they get in wide screens.
Refresh rates of 60Hz in LCDs looks very good, it works in a different way than in CRTs, you won't notice it is 60Hz, looks like 100+Hz for sure.

 

[imported_Fr0zen]

Id say go with the 2005FPW for sure its newer its widescreen has a much higher contrast ratio and brightness lower response time on grey/grey overall its newer and a better monitor. As time progress's games will be fully optioned to support all kinds of resolutions for widescreen displays even now almost all new games can be forced to display 1680x1050.

I orderd my 2005FPW and are still awaiting its delivery.

 

[Schadenfroh]

As time progress's games will be fully optioned to support all kinds of resolutions for widescreen displays even now almost all new games can be forced to display 1680x1050.

not good for me then, i run many legacy games

 

[imported_Fr0zen]

Well then sacrifice the contrat ratio and brightness and newer widescreen technology for older games. I dont play old games besides bf1942 and others and all of those can be forced to 1680x1050.. I just went with this monitor over the VP201B becuase of the contrast ratio and widescreen ratio.

Its all up to your preference now I guess both are good but the 2005FPW has the edge on the 2001FP.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Fr0zen2k4
Well then sacrifice the contrat ratio and brightness and newer widescreen technology for older games. I dont play old games besides bf1942 and others and all of those can be forced to 1680x1050.. I just went with this monitor over the VP201B becuase of the contrast ratio and widescreen ratio.

Its all up to your preference now I guess both are good but the 2005FPW has the edge on the 2001FP.

what does BF1942 look like when you force it to that resolution?

again, thanks for your input

 

[imported_Fr0zen]

My monitor should be comming in today or tommorow so im not sure yet. But I have played on a widescreen TV before by forcing the resolution and it looked fine. Most games now UT2k4, Doom3 etc.. support widescreen and custom resolutions. I needed a new monitor I have 17" crt now which is junk and I was originally going for the VP912B but it has been out of stock everywhere for over 3 weeks then I looked at the VP201B but I wasnt to happy with the stats 400:1 contrast ratio etc... So I found this dell and was set, the stats and size and widescreen just couldnt be beat for the price also.

I honestly dont think widescreen resolutions and gaming will be a problem as its not hard for developers to add custom resolutions into games.. There are many hacks for older games for widescreen resolutions. I cant remember the url but I seen it posted on the forums here for a website full of hacks for older games.

 

[imported_Fr0zen]

Here are the websites I was speaking of.

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/index.php
http://www.tigerdave.com/wgl/

Like I said before I doubt it will be a problem with newer games even though the resolution is kind of funky because the panel is 20.1 and not 24-24 like some of the widescreen panels.

 

[kogase]

Actually, both ATI's and nVidia's drivers allow you to use a resolution like 1028x768 without scaling it to your monitor. So you can use a 4:3 resolution on a widescreen monitor. Or a taller monitor (both 17" and 19" LCDs use 1280x1024, which is not a 4:3 resolution).

 

[Schadenfroh]

well, turns out i was wrong about prices, ended up getting the Dell UltraSharp 2001FP. Saved $70 over the other.

thanks guys

 

[JBT]

I'd go 2001FP. It scales great to other resolutions. I run most games at 1152x864 though because it uses 75hz rather than 60hz that it uses at anything highier. I ALWAYS use vsync so it helps alot in that respect esspecially when double buffering comes into play. Of course I have to bump up AA with the res so low but thats really no problem with my GT. You will LOVE your's I'm sure. I can't say enough about mine.

The thing with widescreen monitors is that you can get almost any game to run at any res you just have to do a bit ow teaking to some files depending on the game so that shouldn't really be a problem. But this should really be problem since you got the 2001 anyways. GL with the monitor, you should love it.

 

[Schadenfroh]

out of curiosity, is 60hz on an LCD as bad on the eyes and as noticable as 60hz on a CRT?

 

[Mem]

out of curiosity, is 60hz on an LCD as bad on the eyes and as noticable as 60hz on a CRT?

No way as bad,this is because LCDs don`t refresh like CRTs ,more info here.

Since LCD monitors do not employ phosphors, refresh rate is not a concern. Basically, the transistors in the LCD remain open or closed as needed until the image changes. This can be a point of confusion for some consumers, however, since most graphics cards still "ask for" a refresh rate setting. This is due to the analog nature of existing graphic cards (see "Inputs" section) and their support for CRT displays. While refresh rates do not apply to LCD monitors, most LCDs are set up to accept any settings from 60Hz and above.

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[imported_Fr0zen]

You cant go wrong with both really so glad you got the 2001fp they had great deals on them now. Did you get the next day air shipping for $3.00 ?

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
out of curiosity, is 60hz on an LCD as bad on the eyes and as noticable as 60hz on a CRT?

Mem is right. There is no eye strain at 60hz, with an LCD. I only use 75 because I always use vsync and it gets me another 15fps. Some may say You can't really tell when your FPS are that high but I certainly can tell the difference.

 

[Ackmed]

Schadenfroh, you have a PM.

 

[crobb100]

Interesting-these both look nice, great prices-but I can't seem to locate the response time anywhere in the 2001 info. Am I just missing it, or did they hide it somewhere?

Thanks

 

[SynthDude2001]

I was considering these two monitors as well, and I ended up going for the 2001FP. Widescreen would be cool, but since it's actually smaller than the 2001FP (and not quite as cheap as I got mine for), it was a pretty easy decision. Plus my 6800GT @ Ultra speeds shouldn't have problems with 1600x1200.

Mini-Rant: I ordered mine this past Thursday, and it lists a ship date of December 1. What in the hell is that all about?!??!? I need the monitor before Thanksgiving; what the hell is their problem? Has anyone ordered one recently and gotten it? If it's really going to be three weeks after I ordered the monitor, I may just cancel the order. I ordered it so I could get the monitor, not so I could stare at an order status page. :|

 

[jpthomas]

Originally posted by: crobb100
Interesting-these both look nice, great prices-but I can't seem to locate the response time anywhere in the 2001 info. Am I just missing it, or did they hide it somewhere?

Thanks

Response time for 2001fp is 16ms.

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Mini-Rant: I ordered mine this past Thursday, and it lists a ship date of December 1. What in the hell is that all about?!??!? I need the monitor before Thanksgiving; what the hell is their problem? Has anyone ordered one recently and gotten it? If it's really going to be three weeks after I ordered the monitor, I may just cancel the order. I ordered it so I could get the monitor, not so I could stare at an order status page.

I ordered mine on 11/5 and its not coming until the 30th. I sent an email complaining to Dell customer service and they gave me a $75 coupon useable on anything in the Dell Home division. Its worth a try complaining, at the least you will get a coupon like me, but might even get them to ship it out earlier.

 

[Schadenfroh]

damn, no shippy till dec 1 :|

 

[mlody]

can someone elaborate on 1905Ft from Dell? It is the newest 19" flat panel and I am wondering if it is worth anything. I just have no needs for 20" or bigger. 19 or even 17 good quality is enough for me. for the referenace I have Viewsonic VG175 17.4" flat panel.

thanks

 

[imported_Fr0zen]

Just got mine today it looks great I will post pictures later I need to tweak the settings.

 

[bigal40]

LCD for gaming :thumbsdown:
i know LCD has come a long way but i still think CRT is best for gaming

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: bigal40
LCD for gaming :thumbsdown:
i know LCD has come a long way but i still think CRT is best for gaming

this one has a good ms response time, should be good enough for gaming

 

[jiffylube1024]

I'd go for the 2001FP. Unless I'm mistaken, the widescreen monitor is smaller (in total screen size = area) than the other one due to the difference in aspect ratios: 16:10 vs 4:3, and the fact that they only give the diagonal screen size. The non-widescreen monitor has approximately 12% more screen size (simple max/min trig problem). Pretty sure this is the way it goes.