Gore's the guy who won the 2000 Presidential election as I've proved to you numerous times. If your mental acumen in absorbing that argument extends over to your memory you should be asking who's Dubya?
Hasn't every recount by every different organization come up with the same conclusion? Bush won.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
You are the one who said "Better the Devil you know than the one you don't." We know "Dubya"
And you haven't proved Sh!t about the 2000 election
Bush is the president who won the election - .end of story.CkG
LunarRay
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UQ quote to a quote
Hasn't every recount by every different organization come up with the same conclusion? Bush won.[/quote]
I will not have you questioning my hero Moonbeam. Stop it now.[/quote]
'Defender of the Faith' requires much and gives little. We applaud you.
cynicism... hmmmm
I'd vote for the guy who enables the cynic to point and say "see I told ya", he be the evilist.
Hasn't every recount by every different organization come up with the same conclusion? Bush won.[/quote]
I will not have you questioning my hero Moonbeam. Stop it now.[/quote]
'Defender of the Faith' requires much and gives little. We applaud you.
cynicism... hmmmm
I'd vote for the guy who enables the cynic to point and say "see I told ya", he be the evilist.
Siddhartha
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Hehe, CAD thinks that by pointing to the count the Supreme Coup forced to be accepted that changes the fact that Gore actually had more legal votes. But that's not even remotely the end of the story. Bush stopped the vote count because the Florida Republicans knew who won, they saw the exit polls. Bush prevented the counting of the votes. Everybody knows you don't win by stopping the count when you have a phony lead and not not counting all the votes, you win by having the most legal votes in the whole state. See CAD, like Bush, you're a fraud. You know Gore got the most legal votes but you don't like worshiping a phony cheat who used his Daddy's friends to steal the election.
See Moonbeam, I have a problem with that theory.
Florida is an extremely conservative state. I would expect Bush to win pretty easily there. The fact that the count is even close in that state is dubious.
One might be tempted to assume that Bush wouldn't stop the vote count if he won there, but I think that assumption is incorrect and that you are underestimating Bush's stupidity (and that of FL's neo-conservative gov't).
Florida is an extremely conservative state. I would expect Bush to win pretty easily there. The fact that the count is even close in that state is dubious.
One might be tempted to assume that Bush wouldn't stop the vote count if he won there, but I think that assumption is incorrect and that you are underestimating Bush's stupidity (and that of FL's neo-conservative gov't).
LunarRay
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perhaps if you read this
US Commission on Civil Rights go to the report on the 2000 Florida election and see who got disenfracnchised....
The problem with this poll is that most people here are not old enough to remember any president before say Reagan, and unless they are avid history buffs, will likely have no idea of what the earlier presidents listed administrations were like.
If I had to vote, I guess I would say Nixon since he had to resign in disgrace, although I was realy too young to know much about his policies.
Edit:
Feel free to resume the arguing about whether it was Clinton or GW...
If I had to vote, I guess I would say Nixon since he had to resign in disgrace, although I was realy too young to know much about his policies.
Edit:
Feel free to resume the arguing about whether it was Clinton or GW...
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Wake up Moonbeam. History has been written already..SINCE IT ALREADY HAPPENED! Bush is the president and the site I linked to shows the breakdown of the popular vote by state and also the ELECTORAL VOTES, which just happen to be the system the United States uses to elect our Presidents
Now who is the "fraud"? I don't go posting obvious falsehoods - can you say the same? Hmmm.Keep whining though, it strengthens our side when whackos spout that kind of drivel
CkG
I didn't say Gore is President, I said he won the election. The monts long consortium recount proved that. The election was stolen and Bush is Pres. That's all. Just important to point out to the party of character it's absence.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Hmm, there doesn't seem to be one Election website or other presidential history archive that is showing that Gore won the election. They all seem to say some guy named George W. Bush won the election. Guess all of them are wrong though since you say so Moonbeam.
CkG
LunarRay
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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Hmm, there doesn't seem to be one Election website or other presidential history archive that is showing that Gore won the election. They all seem to say some guy named George W. Bush won the election. Guess all of them are wrong though since you say so Moonbeam.
CkG
When you have a free 200 hours or so read the litigation briefs and decisions herein.
Florida mythology
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: HJD1
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Hmm, there doesn't seem to be one Election website or other presidential history archive that is showing that Gore won the election. They all seem to say some guy named George W. Bush won the election. Guess all of them are wrong though since you say so Moonbeam.
CkG
When you have a free 200 hours or so read the litigation briefs and decisions herein.
Florida mythology
Thanks, but I don't need to waste 200 hours on the few 2000 election holdouts. See, in this country we have laws, and when those laws are challenged we have a process to interpret and clarify them then rule on them. This Election took it's course and made it's way though that process. The end result was justified by the courts. But even if the courts found that an injustice had occured it still wouldn't have neccessarily meant that Gore would have won.
As it stands, Bush won the election and anyone who says differently is either an attention whore or sadly misinformed.
CkG
Poor CAD, the only election Bush won was 5 to 4. The 2000 election was won by Gore even though Bush stole it by stopping the count. You needen't pretend that Gore might not have won, the votes from the real election were finally counted and he did.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Wake up Moonbeam. History has been written already..SINCE IT ALREADY HAPPENED! Bush is the president and the site I linked to shows the breakdown of the popular vote by state and also the ELECTORAL VOTES, which just happen to be the system the United States uses to elect our Presidents
Keep whining though, it strengthens our side when whackos spout that kind of drivel
CkG
Taken from someone's sig:
"Republicans have a skill the Democrats will never learn: how to count the Electoral College votes."
-Robert Durand (3/25/03)
History will have to judge GWB in comparison to the others. The damage he can do is not yet complete. An interesting thing about trying to figure out who is the worst is that we look at all of the things that we think are bad about each of them. It is amazing that many of the things we find fault with in the others are all present in GWB. Here are a few examples:
Wilson's religious beliefs colored many of his policies to great detriment to the country and international policy
Johnson used his considerable influence with Congress to force feed "feel good" legislation and policies (the "butter" part) to counter the opposition to the war and used lies to justify the massive buildup of forces in Viet Nam.
Nixon believed he needed to run a secret side of government to protect his position. Lying, misdirection, concealing evidence and controversial facts were considered justified to protect him and his exaulted idea of his position as this would be in the best interest of the nation.
Carter was indeed a nice guy (in contrast to Bush) but was a dunce on international politics and let monied interests dictate his course on these matters.
Reagan proved that you could spin numbers to make them sound good, but were not necessarily good economic policy. He surrounded himself with other idealouge yes men and so confined himself to such a narrow viewpoint that he could not see the big picture about anything. Anything that did not support his beliefs was discarded and derided. Lying developed into a new art form of "plausable denial".
IMHO GWB has all of these qualities and so far mustered support by spinning everything to appear that he is on the moral high ground. But he does not stand on the moral high ground, it is a house of cards. Whether it collapses while he is on it or after he is gone is yet to be seen.
Wilson's religious beliefs colored many of his policies to great detriment to the country and international policy
Johnson used his considerable influence with Congress to force feed "feel good" legislation and policies (the "butter" part) to counter the opposition to the war and used lies to justify the massive buildup of forces in Viet Nam.
Nixon believed he needed to run a secret side of government to protect his position. Lying, misdirection, concealing evidence and controversial facts were considered justified to protect him and his exaulted idea of his position as this would be in the best interest of the nation.
Carter was indeed a nice guy (in contrast to Bush) but was a dunce on international politics and let monied interests dictate his course on these matters.
Reagan proved that you could spin numbers to make them sound good, but were not necessarily good economic policy. He surrounded himself with other idealouge yes men and so confined himself to such a narrow viewpoint that he could not see the big picture about anything. Anything that did not support his beliefs was discarded and derided. Lying developed into a new art form of "plausable denial".
IMHO GWB has all of these qualities and so far mustered support by spinning everything to appear that he is on the moral high ground. But he does not stand on the moral high ground, it is a house of cards. Whether it collapses while he is on it or after he is gone is yet to be seen.
jsusa, what a very nice cogent post.
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"Republicans have a skill the Democrats will never learn: how to count the Electoral College votes."
-Robert Durand (3/25/03)
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Not how to count them CAD, how to steal them. The 25 votes from Florida were Gore's. He got the majority of legal votes and that's why he was the real winner of the Florida 2000 Press election. What you pretend is legal process was partisan theft. The fact that the theft took place in the last bastion of appeal made the theft legal by default. I understand that. I also understand that theft is the result of greed and a lack of character. The person with the most votes is the real winner of an election regardless of the legality of other lies. It's votes that are the will of the people and Bush thwarted the will of the American people because he had buddies in high places. No MAN would accept the Presidency till the last vote was counted. Of course we can see in Bush just how true that is; about as close to zero as we've come.
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"Republicans have a skill the Democrats will never learn: how to count the Electoral College votes."
-Robert Durand (3/25/03)
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Not how to count them CAD, how to steal them. The 25 votes from Florida were Gore's. He got the majority of legal votes and that's why he was the real winner of the Florida 2000 Press election. What you pretend is legal process was partisan theft. The fact that the theft took place in the last bastion of appeal made the theft legal by default. I understand that. I also understand that theft is the result of greed and a lack of character. The person with the most votes is the real winner of an election regardless of the legality of other lies. It's votes that are the will of the people and Bush thwarted the will of the American people because he had buddies in high places. No MAN would accept the Presidency till the last vote was counted. Of course we can see in Bush just how true that is; about as close to zero as we've come.
Moonbeam, Did candidate Gore ask for all of the couties of Florida to be recounted or only a few?
Why?
Did the USSC vote affect the election under any of the recount scenarios done by the media?
When are you going to stop spreading your lies and disrupting threads with them? There was a thread started for the sole purpose of getting your little crap out of all of the threads that you disrupt by putting it in. If you need some help I'll find it and bump it for you and you can continue this there.
Moonbeam, Did candidate Gore ask for all of the counties of Florida to be recounted or only a few?
Why?
Did the USSC vote affect the election under any of the recount scenarios done by the media?
When are you going to stop spreading your lies and disrupting threads with them? There was a thread started for the sole purpose of getting your little crap out of all of the threads that you disrupt by putting it in. If you need some help I'll find it and bump it for you and you can continue this there.
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Hehe, did CADdy return your pink underwear? (That's an in joke if you don't get it.)
OK,OK I'll play. The answer is no, Gore did not ask for a total recount. As to why I can't say for sure. Now since I'm playing let me play. If the circumstances were reversed and it was Bush that asked for a partial recount I would suspect that it was because he was seeking his own advantage. He might have gotten bad advise as to what was to his advantage, he may really have feared that a total recount would require more time than the phony but commonly believed in deadline allowed, or he may simply have figured he could cheat by only counting where he thought he had an advantage. Now that's how Bush would think. Gore, on the other hand, because he's close to godliness, probably got bad advise or feared the deadline. He would never have acted only to his own advantage in an unfair way. RIIIIGHT? Unfortunately, since I can't really read minds, I can't be absolutely sure Bush would have tried to cheat there too, but the evidence sure points that way right?
As to the Supreme Coup, I don't know what trap you're trying to set and so I don't know what the intent of the question is. I have no opinion on the matter. I don't see a connection to anything real. The two issues seem unrelated.
As to when I'm going to stop spreading my lies, I'm not going to start. You probably refer to the fact that Gore won. If so that's no lie. I usually only mention it when the country's reputation and standing in the world is at stake. It's very satisfying to know that the disrepute that Bush has brought on us internationally and at home among thinking people, is not the fault of the American people because they elected Gore. Rather than lies I'm spreading the good news. Alternately, and as is usually the case, I bring it up when people say things like President Bush, since he didn't really win, or Bush was elected because he was really selected, you know I mention it when others try to lie. I find it truly fascinating how deeply people cling to illusions and how far they will go to defend them. I mean, look at you, you actually thing it's me that's lying. Get over it, Gore won. Just imagine what you would think of me if I held as tightly to delusion as you Republican Bush apologist do. You'd think I was nuts. Have we learned anything yet?
Why?
Did the USSC vote affect the election under any of the recount scenarios done by the media?
When are you going to stop spreading your lies and disrupting threads with them? There was a thread started for the sole purpose of getting your little crap out of all of the threads that you disrupt by putting it in. If you need some help I'll find it and bump it for you and you can continue this there.
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Hehe, did CADdy return your pink underwear? (That's an in joke if you don't get it.)
OK,OK I'll play. The answer is no, Gore did not ask for a total recount. As to why I can't say for sure. Now since I'm playing let me play. If the circumstances were reversed and it was Bush that asked for a partial recount I would suspect that it was because he was seeking his own advantage. He might have gotten bad advise as to what was to his advantage, he may really have feared that a total recount would require more time than the phony but commonly believed in deadline allowed, or he may simply have figured he could cheat by only counting where he thought he had an advantage. Now that's how Bush would think. Gore, on the other hand, because he's close to godliness, probably got bad advise or feared the deadline. He would never have acted only to his own advantage in an unfair way. RIIIIGHT? Unfortunately, since I can't really read minds, I can't be absolutely sure Bush would have tried to cheat there too, but the evidence sure points that way right?
As to the Supreme Coup, I don't know what trap you're trying to set and so I don't know what the intent of the question is. I have no opinion on the matter. I don't see a connection to anything real. The two issues seem unrelated.
As to when I'm going to stop spreading my lies, I'm not going to start. You probably refer to the fact that Gore won. If so that's no lie. I usually only mention it when the country's reputation and standing in the world is at stake. It's very satisfying to know that the disrepute that Bush has brought on us internationally and at home among thinking people, is not the fault of the American people because they elected Gore. Rather than lies I'm spreading the good news. Alternately, and as is usually the case, I bring it up when people say things like President Bush, since he didn't really win, or Bush was elected because he was really selected, you know I mention it when others try to lie. I find it truly fascinating how deeply people cling to illusions and how far they will go to defend them. I mean, look at you, you actually thing it's me that's lying. Get over it, Gore won. Just imagine what you would think of me if I held as tightly to delusion as you Republican Bush apologist do. You'd think I was nuts. Have we learned anything yet?
If you think Gore won then you are truely an idiot, there was at least 5 recounts during and after the election and Gore lost them all. Including the won by CNN and the big newspaper in Miami. Once again we should not let the facts get in the way of the truth, your truth the far far left that does not talk for the American people. You are part of the blame America first crowd and beleive everyone else but the american goverment. The 2000 election was close, the 2002 elections was a slaughter and 2004 will be a joke with people like you speaking for the Left. So keep up the lies because the American people are smarter now and see the Dems for what they really are, weak on crime, weak on Justice and moral degenerates. We finnaly have Adults in the White House and the left can't stand it. Remember watch the O'Reilly Factor everynight at 8PM. I LOVE THE FNC
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