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Jeff7181

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If by art you mean painting and sculptures and poetry, then science is by far... but if by art you mean creativity, then they're equally important, because without creativity, science won't take you very far. I mean... someone had to be pretty creative to decide they could make a bunch semiconductors and electrons do work for us.
 

TMPadmin

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Excuses, excuses. So what technology are you against? TVs? Videogames? People use those to get away from stress as well. Microwaves? Electric ovens? Well, you might not mind spending 2-3 hrs cooking every meal, but i like the convenience that these technology affords me. Vehicles? Makes us lazy? As much as i hate driving, i would hate to have to bike 5 hours to work everyday.

I think with the absence of technology we would adjust our lifestyles quite considerable. You would probably not work your efforts would be directed to farming or raising animals for your family to eat or barter with the other down the road. Without going into detail we would again be what we were 100's of years ago. So the question you are digging for is now that we have the technology are we better off than we were back then? I guess the answer lies in what you value. Is it possessions or the intangible like a sense of family or companionship? But I don't know if this is the "spirit" of the original question. Might be.
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Without science we would not have technology (and many other things).
Without art we would just go bonkers.

I don't know. I guess society would get by without art but then again there is much art in science. There is also a lot of science in art.

Neither. Both.

Sometimes, I think the world would be a better place without all the technology that has been introduced into our lives...

luddite scum

Technically, yes, I am a luddite. However, I don't oppose all technology, just technology that enables people to be lazier. Advances in medical research are always good, as are advances in agriculture. However, I think we could live without the electronics that consume our thoughts, and deaden our senses.

And yet here you are, on a computer wasting time on ATOT.

Finishing up my midterm paper for Euro Civ, not really wasting time, just taking a break between thought processes.

Excuses, excuses. So what technology are you against? TVs? Videogames? People use those to get away from stress as well. Microwaves? Electric ovens? Well, you might not mind spending 2-3 hrs cooking every meal, but i like the convenience that these technology affords me. Vehicles? Makes us lazy? As much as i hate driving, i would hate to have to bike 5 hours to work everyday.

Your arguement falls apart as, with the absence of the technology, people would not have jobs 5 hours away, you would not know this "convenience," and people would find other ways to relieve stress than plopping down in front of a television, and rotting away. I'm not for taking all this away, as we have it, and I use it. I'm just saying that the world would probably be a better place without them. Less stressed, healthier, more sociable people.


people wouldnt be able to travel, communicate, trade, or do many other things without the technologies we have realized today.
 

Gyrene

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Jun 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Without science we would not have technology (and many other things).
Without art we would just go bonkers.

I don't know. I guess society would get by without art but then again there is much art in science. There is also a lot of science in art.

Neither. Both.

Sometimes, I think the world would be a better place without all the technology that has been introduced into our lives...

luddite scum

Technically, yes, I am a luddite. However, I don't oppose all technology, just technology that enables people to be lazier. Advances in medical research are always good, as are advances in agriculture. However, I think we could live without the electronics that consume our thoughts, and deaden our senses.

And yet here you are, on a computer wasting time on ATOT.

Finishing up my midterm paper for Euro Civ, not really wasting time, just taking a break between thought processes.

Excuses, excuses. So what technology are you against? TVs? Videogames? People use those to get away from stress as well. Microwaves? Electric ovens? Well, you might not mind spending 2-3 hrs cooking every meal, but i like the convenience that these technology affords me. Vehicles? Makes us lazy? As much as i hate driving, i would hate to have to bike 5 hours to work everyday.

Your arguement falls apart as, with the absence of the technology, people would not have jobs 5 hours away, you would not know this "convenience," and people would find other ways to relieve stress than plopping down in front of a television, and rotting away. I'm not for taking all this away, as we have it, and I use it. I'm just saying that the world would probably be a better place without them. Less stressed, healthier, more sociable people.


people wouldnt be able to travel, communicate, trade, or do many other things without the technologies we have realized today.

People would still be able to travel, albiet not as far, communicate, though not as fast, trade, though not with as many people, and do many other things of importance, without technology. It all depends on what you value in life.
 

Ameesh

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Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Without science we would not have technology (and many other things).
Without art we would just go bonkers.

I don't know. I guess society would get by without art but then again there is much art in science. There is also a lot of science in art.

Neither. Both.

Sometimes, I think the world would be a better place without all the technology that has been introduced into our lives...

luddite scum

Technically, yes, I am a luddite. However, I don't oppose all technology, just technology that enables people to be lazier. Advances in medical research are always good, as are advances in agriculture. However, I think we could live without the electronics that consume our thoughts, and deaden our senses.

And yet here you are, on a computer wasting time on ATOT.

Finishing up my midterm paper for Euro Civ, not really wasting time, just taking a break between thought processes.

Excuses, excuses. So what technology are you against? TVs? Videogames? People use those to get away from stress as well. Microwaves? Electric ovens? Well, you might not mind spending 2-3 hrs cooking every meal, but i like the convenience that these technology affords me. Vehicles? Makes us lazy? As much as i hate driving, i would hate to have to bike 5 hours to work everyday.

Your arguement falls apart as, with the absence of the technology, people would not have jobs 5 hours away, you would not know this "convenience," and people would find other ways to relieve stress than plopping down in front of a television, and rotting away. I'm not for taking all this away, as we have it, and I use it. I'm just saying that the world would probably be a better place without them. Less stressed, healthier, more sociable people.


people wouldnt be able to travel, communicate, trade, or do many other things without the technologies we have realized today.

People would still be able to travel, albiet not as far, communicate, though not as fast, trade, though not with as many people, and do many other things of importance, without technology. It all depends on what you value in life.

i value knowledge

 

vtqanh

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Jan 4, 2001
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Putting this poll up on a forum of geeks and nerds, you should have known better :D
 

Gyrene

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Jun 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: Nocturnal
You can't draw up a cure for aids or even cancer. Science > Art

And yet, without creativity, you couldn't fathom a cure for AIDS or even cancer.
 

SagaLore

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Dec 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Without science we would not have technology (and many other things).
Without art we would just go bonkers.

I don't know. I guess society would get by without art but then again there is much art in science. There is also a lot of science in art.

Neither. Both.

Sometimes, I think the world would be a better place without all the technology that has been introduced into our lives...

From now on when I get stuck behind an Yamish Buggy on my way to work I will blame you. :|

;)
 

Gyrene

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Jun 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Without science we would not have technology (and many other things).
Without art we would just go bonkers.

I don't know. I guess society would get by without art but then again there is much art in science. There is also a lot of science in art.

Neither. Both.

Sometimes, I think the world would be a better place without all the technology that has been introduced into our lives...

From now on when I get stuck behind an Yamish Buggy on my way to work I will blame you. :|

;)

And, from now on, when I get stuck behind a semi jack-knifed on the highway, I will blame you. :|
:p

 

OverVolt

Lifer
Aug 31, 2002
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A balance of each, it's really simple if you think about it. Everything would suck w/o art ie. no music, no pretty GUI ur looking at right now, same with sciences, they help people have a better standard of living, like curing dieseases, healthcare, ect ect.
 

SagaLore

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Dec 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I said science because as an area of study those who study science are more likely to have a good career.

In terms of where society should be headed? Art is more enlightening. No need to have a society of robots. So really both are important and it's difficult to quantify them.

I think science can be much more beautiful and enlightening than art ever could be. Look at crystal formations and leaf patterns, then look at a fractal pattern and try to calculate the chaos into order... I lost my interest in art when people started blending goldfish.