I'm buying a '93 corvette sometime soon. I'll be leaving all you people at the stoplight. MUAHAHAHAH!!! Though, I am impressed how Honda can fit all that sheet metal around a lawn tractor. MUAHAHAHAH!!!
yah but even an 8 year old vette will run a 13 with good driver. There's no way any honda, stock, except maybe the nsx will run a 13.
without a turbo or some power adder.
without a turbo or some power adder.
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Well I've never owned an American car so I can't speak from experience. However, I imagine all the parts falling off of the Camaro would add excess drag. Furthermore, if you're calculating average speed over longer periods of time, I figure all the time in the shop due to recalls & parts that fell off would also hinder the Camaro's performance.
Then again, I've never actually owned a Camaro, but I think I ran over a fender from one once.
just my .02
H
Then again, I've never actually owned a Camaro, but I think I ran over a fender from one once.
just my .02
H
<<Ummm...right. You'll be more impressed when one of those lawn tractors keep up with your 8 year old Vette >>
No stock Honda will.
No stock Honda will.
Thank you fellas for backing me up. I'd like to try and figure out why people think a little economy car with a buzzy engine is so much superior to a 5.7 liter v-8. There's no replacement for displacement. Now i'm talking about stock engines here. The vette has it all, handling, top end speed, low end torque, relative comfort. But it is not a practicle car by any means. Now the reason i'm looking at a 93-95 vette is that i can get one for under 17,000 with low miles. You honda people can bolt on every trinket in the books and you still have an econo-box but now with even lower resale because noone wants a modded japanese car. If you add 5 grand worth of upgrades to a civic, you still have a car that your sister should be driving. I can dust ricers with my 12 year old pontiac, i can't imagine what i can do with that vette. My brother has a 2000 camaro ss and my god, that thing is a monster! The rice boys are just out to impress the other rice boys, those who appreciate real cars really don't care. It's just fun to watch them spend their mcdonald's checks on a new gewgaw or Type R sticer and still end up with a polished turd.
Suicidal - C4 Vettes will run high 13s, low 14s in the 1/4. Thats stock with a GOOD driver. They're not all their cracked up to be. Granted, with a couple of bolt-ons you'll be kicking some major ass, it will cost MUCH more in the long run than a S2000, RX7, or most other imports in the same class. I know a CRX that would cost you $4,000 that would keep up with the Vette your looking at.
Don't bash what you don't know. Your sterotyping a culture and thats wrong.
Your brothers SS is going to be faster than your Vette - I hope you realize that.
Don't bash what you don't know. Your sterotyping a culture and thats wrong.
Your brothers SS is going to be faster than your Vette - I hope you realize that.
<< I know a CRX that would cost you $4,000 that would keep up with the Vette your looking at. >>
I saw a 67 Vette with a SMALL BLOCK 486 w/ 1200HP, dont even try to tell me some ricer could keep up with that !
Wait, better yet, lets get a Jotec Civic that run high 7's
For every domestic there is a equal import counterpart.
For every domestic there is a equal import counterpart.
Remember: For the Honda to make that HP, you have to twist it up pretty high, the Camaro has more low-end torque, which will "feel" much more powerful in everday traffic. And if you want to go REALLY fast, get a Buick Turbo V6.
Actually, Radeon you are wrong about the ATTS. I had a 97 Prelude SH and can tell you ATTS helps with cornering. What it does is it spins the front outside wheel of the car in the turn faster than the inside wheel. This enables the car to pull itself out of a turn. I've taken turns so fast in my Prelude that other cars would just spin out. I was still used to driving this way when I switched to my current GS300 and my GS fishtails like mad and the traction control lights pop on whenever I do anything close to what I did in the Prelude.
The ATTS adds a little more weight and the turning radius really sucks with it but the handling is noticeably better when taking high speed turns. I would say the steering is very neutral. No understeer at all.
The ATTS adds a little more weight and the turning radius really sucks with it but the handling is noticeably better when taking high speed turns. I would say the steering is very neutral. No understeer at all.
I know a CRX that would cost you $4,000 that would keep up with the Vette your looking at.
Yah but it's a CRX!!! Girls drive those things. I want a car that goes BUHBUHBUHUBUHUBUBUHUBUHUUBUH when you start it, not putttttputtttputttttputttttputtttt.
But I digress, this is comparing apples to oranges. I'm trying to compare an american icon to a little japanese econobox. When that CRX finally gives up due to all the stress caused by the aftermarket parts that the drivetrain can't handle, we'll see who's laughing. Now, if these mods were applied to an RX7 or a Supra Turbo, now you're talking. Those are some nice cars. At the end of the day i want to be proud of what i'm driving. If i had a little riced honda in my driveway i'd have to question my manhood.
Yah but it's a CRX!!! Girls drive those things. I want a car that goes BUHBUHBUHUBUHUBUBUHUBUHUUBUH when you start it, not putttttputtttputttttputttttputtttt.
But I digress, this is comparing apples to oranges. I'm trying to compare an american icon to a little japanese econobox. When that CRX finally gives up due to all the stress caused by the aftermarket parts that the drivetrain can't handle, we'll see who's laughing. Now, if these mods were applied to an RX7 or a Supra Turbo, now you're talking. Those are some nice cars. At the end of the day i want to be proud of what i'm driving. If i had a little riced honda in my driveway i'd have to question my manhood.
Another vote for the Sentra SE-R Spec-V. Man oh man!!! And I'm hearing rumors that Nissan is trying to tweak it so that it gets 185 HP... again, could be all rumors...
and i agree about the WRX... it's nice and all, but I hate the headlights. They should've kept the styling of the 2.5 RS.
and i agree about the WRX... it's nice and all, but I hate the headlights. They should've kept the styling of the 2.5 RS.
Looks a bit more complex than a standard differential, whether or not it's useful, I don't know. Looks like it sends MORE power to the outside wheel, probably by applying some brake to the inner wheel.
From some Honda enthusiast site:
<< ATTS:
With the new system Honda is introducing the ATTS (Active Torque Transfer System). It can make turning at high speeds a breeze. What it does is, it makes the way the wheels turn more efficiently, by putting the right amount of speed to each wheel. Like all cars the wheel on the outside must turn more than the inside wheel. ATTS monitors every aspect of what your car is doing and runs it to the computer and then returns what it needs to do to accomplish that turn correctly. This new system makes driving easier and makes you a better driver. >>
From Honda's site:
<< Multiple sensors in the Type SH's Active Torque Transfer System (ATTS?) gauge the Prelude's cornering speed. A special differential unit then applies more engine power to the outside wheel. This helps reduce understeer for more handling precision while cornering >>
From some Honda enthusiast site:
<< ATTS:
With the new system Honda is introducing the ATTS (Active Torque Transfer System). It can make turning at high speeds a breeze. What it does is, it makes the way the wheels turn more efficiently, by putting the right amount of speed to each wheel. Like all cars the wheel on the outside must turn more than the inside wheel. ATTS monitors every aspect of what your car is doing and runs it to the computer and then returns what it needs to do to accomplish that turn correctly. This new system makes driving easier and makes you a better driver. >>
From Honda's site:
<< Multiple sensors in the Type SH's Active Torque Transfer System (ATTS?) gauge the Prelude's cornering speed. A special differential unit then applies more engine power to the outside wheel. This helps reduce understeer for more handling precision while cornering >>
I'm sure it does not brake the inside wheel. Honda knows better than that. I think it's more like an electronic AWD transfer case adapted for left to right instead of front to rear.
ok i'm trying to actually help ya
2001 camaro
3.8L V6 with 200 hp@5200rpm 225 torque@4000rpm
2001 prelude
2.2L 4 cyl 200hp@7000rpm 156 torque@5250rpm
ok now for 0-60 and all that it's hard to find
best i could do was
7.6 seconds with the 5-speed manual gearbox for a 99 prelude
still looking for the camaro
2001 camaro
3.8L V6 with 200 hp@5200rpm 225 torque@4000rpm
2001 prelude
2.2L 4 cyl 200hp@7000rpm 156 torque@5250rpm
ok now for 0-60 and all that it's hard to find
best i could do was
7.6 seconds with the 5-speed manual gearbox for a 99 prelude
still looking for the camaro
The Prelude Type-S in not available in the US. It's available in Japan and Europe I believe, I think it has 220HP and an LSD. It would be signifigantly quicker than a V6 Camaro. A base 5th generation Prelude 5sp vs. a 5sp V6 Camaro would be a pretty close race. If you got a good launch in both the Prelude should be a car length or two ahead by the quarter mile.
If you're attempting to compare cars by numbers you're really limiting yourself. Drive both and decide for yourself. The Prelude will drive a whole lot better than the Camaro V6, it should since it costs more. It's a buyer's market right now for the Prelude, you can get a new base for $21k.
If you're attempting to compare cars by numbers you're really limiting yourself. Drive both and decide for yourself. The Prelude will drive a whole lot better than the Camaro V6, it should since it costs more. It's a buyer's market right now for the Prelude, you can get a new base for $21k.
A main reason for such an expensive Prelude is because it's still made in Japan (atleast i'm pretty sure it is). All those import taxes and sales tax and shipping and what not make the price go up considerably.
They do sell the Prelude Type SH in North America. It comes with the ATTS and 200hp I4.
The performance of a 2000 Prelude9stick) is comparable to a 99 Maxima (stick). I'm pretty sure it could beat a V6 Camaro if a Maxima can beat a V6 Camaro.
A 2000 Prelude (stick) does 1/4 times in the 14.8-15.2s range.
To get a better answer ask your question in a F-Body forum and a Prelude forum and then compare the answers. Some people will give honest replies.
In a recent magazine test, the Prelude was rated as one of the best handling cars ever. It was compared alongside a Porsche 911T also. I'm not implying it handles better than a 911Turbo but I'm saying it compares to it and comes at a much cheaper price.
The performance of a 2000 Prelude9stick) is comparable to a 99 Maxima (stick). I'm pretty sure it could beat a V6 Camaro if a Maxima can beat a V6 Camaro.
A 2000 Prelude (stick) does 1/4 times in the 14.8-15.2s range.
To get a better answer ask your question in a F-Body forum and a Prelude forum and then compare the answers. Some people will give honest replies.
In a recent magazine test, the Prelude was rated as one of the best handling cars ever. It was compared alongside a Porsche 911T also. I'm not implying it handles better than a 911Turbo but I'm saying it compares to it and comes at a much cheaper price.
I'm talking about the Type-S which is different than the SH. Here's what I came up with from a google search:
The Prelude Type S is a car which Honda put much effort in making it sporty, yet elegant. Honda dubs this, "Intelligent Sport". (or sportiness) The Type S boasts an impressive 100hp/liter engine, producing 220ps from 2.2 liters (2,156cc) utilizing its VTEC technology. It also comes with the new Prelude's signature ATTS (Active Torque Transfer System) already found on the Prelude SH, and the Type S is treated to an active-control ABS that improves braking through turns.
The Prelude Type S is a car which Honda put much effort in making it sporty, yet elegant. Honda dubs this, "Intelligent Sport". (or sportiness) The Type S boasts an impressive 100hp/liter engine, producing 220ps from 2.2 liters (2,156cc) utilizing its VTEC technology. It also comes with the new Prelude's signature ATTS (Active Torque Transfer System) already found on the Prelude SH, and the Type S is treated to an active-control ABS that improves braking through turns.
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