Which is better for gaming? 6770m or 5770 PCIe?

[NoStateofMind]

I say 5770.

5770

6770m

Which do you think?

 

[mnewsham]

5770
800 Stream Processing Units
40 Texture Units
64 Z/Stencil ROP Units
16 Color ROP Units

vs

6770m
480 Stream Processing Units
24 Texture Units
32 Z/Stencil ROP Units
8 Color ROP Units


No duh the 5770 is better...

 

[Red Hawk]

Mobile graphics chips usually have half the power of desktop chips that share the same name. For example, a Mobility Radeon HD 5870 is really just a slightly underclocked desktop 5770.

So, in the case of such closely numbered mobile and desktop chips, you can be pretty sure that the desktop chip is better.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Mobile graphics chips usually have half the power of desktop chips that share the same name. For example, a Mobility Radeon HD 5870 is really just a slightly underclocked desktop 5770.

So, in the case of such closely numbered mobile and desktop chips, you can be pretty sure that the desktop chip is better.

Yeah I had an argument about this with someone and I'm just trying to prove a point. Thanks for your input.

 

[PeeluckyDuckee]

Curious to know then where the 6970m falls in the desktop arena, the equivalent of?

 

[hawtdawg]

Curious to know then where the 6970m falls in the desktop arena, the equivalent of?

it's on par with a 6850 im pretty sure.

 

[Lonyo]

it's on par with a 6850 im pretty sure.

Yep, both 960 shaders, although it depends on the clocks, 6970M is probably slower due to lower clocks I would expect.

 

[shortylickens]

Ah yes I recall this caused quite a stir in the community. Releasing a new line that was slower than the old one with the same series. Anand commented on it too.

Keep in mind price can sometimes (not always) help give relative performance indicators.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...n+5770&x=0&y=0

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...%3Aradeon+6770

Based on dollar signs you may be tempted to believe the 6770 is faster.

 

[Lonyo]

Ah yes I recall this caused quite a stir in the community. Releasing a new line that was slower than the old one with the same series. Anand commented on it too.

Keep in mind price can sometimes (not always) help give relative performance indicators.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...n+5770&x=0&y=0

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...%3Aradeon+6770

Based on dollar signs you may be tempted to believe the 6770 is faster.

Has nothing to do with the 6770M and 5770, since the 6770M is a totally different product line and aimed at a different and incompatible market.

 

[StrangerGuy]

How to name a mobile GPU:

1. Cripple the desktop part by half
2. Make it share the same model number as the desktop part, but add a "m" at the end
3. Profit

 

[frozentundra123456]

How to name a mobile GPU:

1. Cripple the desktop part by half
2. Make it share the same model number as the desktop part, but add a "m" at the end
3. Profit

Exactly. I remember Seeing an Asus gaming laptop a year or so ago at Best Buy with a 5870m for 1200.00. I was really disappointed when I found out how weak that mobile part really is.

 

[shortylickens]

Sorry, last time I bought a laptop specifically for the accelerator it was a Rage 3D which was actually not too far from its desktop counterpart in benchmarks. Just cost a shitload more.

 

[mnewsham]

Exactly. I remember Seeing an Asus gaming laptop a year or so ago at Best Buy with a 5870m for 1200.00. I was really disappointed when I found out how weak that mobile part really is.

That card still runs most games at high or medium settings in 1080p it isnt a slouch by any means.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

That card still runs most games at high or medium settings in 1080p it isnt a slouch by any means.

In desktop world the 5870m is very weak. I have a 5850m in a laptop and it looks pretty good playing metro 2033 at 1080p at low settings. That is until I get home and fire up my desktop with a overclocked GTX 580 and play metro 2033 in 3d with high settings. It was like playing a different game. Laptops are cool for what they are but even a super high end laptop can't hold a candle to a mid range desktop. Don't even compare them to high end PC's.

 

[mnewsham]

In desktop world the 5870m is very weak. I have a 5850m in a laptop and it looks pretty good playing metro 2033 at 1080p at low settings. That is until I get home and fire up my desktop with a overclocked GTX 580 and play metro 2033 in 3d with high settings. It was like playing a different game. Laptops are cool for what they are but even a super high end laptop can't hold a candle to a mid range desktop. Don't even compare them to high end PC's.

Super high end laptops can and do beat mid range desktops. A mid range desktop would have a gtx 560/570 level graphics, a super high end laptop has two gtx 485m's in SLI, that is basically 2 gtx 460's or gtx 580 level.

 

[RaistlinZ]

How to name a mobile GPU:

1. Cripple the desktop part by half
2. Make it share the same model number as the desktop part, but add a "m" at the end
3. Profit and laugh

Fixed.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Sadly both nvidia and ATI have been misleading people for years this way, trying to make them think the xxxM is close to the performance of the desktop xxx that people see reviews for.

nvidia 560M? Not really a 560, it's slower than the desktop 550.

 

[jiffylube1024]

How to name a mobile GPU:

1. Cripple the desktop part by half
2. Make it share the same model number as the desktop part, but add a "m" at the end
3. Profit

Your point is true with regards to power and specs of notebook GPU's compared to desktop ones, but in my opinion this is an unfair characterization of both graphics companies.

The 5770, which is by all standards a power sipping desktop GPU, eats 15-30W at idle and up to ~108W at load. Try putting that into into a notebook!

The 6770m, meanwhile, consumes about 30W at full load. That's pretty impressive, it's actually about twice the performance per watt of the 5770.

Sadly both nvidia and ATI have been misleading people for years this way, trying to make them think the xxxM is close to the performance of the desktop xxx that people see reviews for.

nvidia 560M? Not really a 560, it's slower than the desktop 550.

I would prefer ATI and Nvidia go to different names other than an "M" to differentiate mobile GPU's too. In the past, ATI used a 3 digit nomenclature for its mobile GPU's (and still does for some - the 4650m was rebranded the 560v), but both companies have recently been using equal names to their desktop chips. However, expecting a 6770m to perform the same or better as a 6770 or even a 5770 does reflect a bit of wishful thinking, that you could just take a 100-250W desktop chip and somehow magically put it into a notebook.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The honest thing to do would be either use completely different models or at least use the desktop model that it really matches.

The "560" m is really a slower 550, so it should be a 550m. The "6770" m is really a 6670 so it should say so.

But tricking buyers works, so both companies will continue to do it as long as they can get away with it.

 

[lupi]

who actually thinks laptop chip names have anything to do with desktop ones.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

It's foolish to even think they're gonna have the same performance as the desktop counterpart. The GPU in my laptop has the same performance as a desktop 9800GT but consumes a max of 65W instead of the 105W of the 9800GT. That makes a huge difference, as it would be impossible to fit a 105W GPU in a 15" laptop chassis.

 

[DaveSimmons]

True, but that doesn't mean ATI / nvidia should be trying to fool people into thinking the models are equivalent.

Of course they do it with desktop parts sometimes too, with much slower "SE" versions of the same model. But then it's usually the speed and memory that are cut back, not half of the processors and texture units.

 

[Red Hawk]

It's foolish to even think they're gonna have the same performance as the desktop counterpart. The GPU in my laptop has the same performance as a desktop 9800GT but consumes a max of 65W instead of the 105W of the 9800GT. That makes a huge difference, as it would be impossible to fit a 105W GPU in a 15" laptop chassis.

It's also probably a year or two newer than a 9800/8800 GT.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

It's also probably a year or two newer than a 9800/8800 GT.

It's the same architecture: G92(M), and the same core configuration (112 CUDA cores, 16 ROPs, 256-bit bus width). The manufacturing date is irrelevant. It's the exact same core configuration as the 9800GT and manufacturing process (55nm), but at a lot lower power consumption.

 

[Red Hawk]

Yes it does matter. If it takes around a year to release a mobile chip with the same performance as a desktop chip, then mobile users have to wait that much longer before they can even try to get the same gaming experience as desktop users. And btw, the 8800/9800 GT was originally produced with a 65 NM process.