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Which is better _overclocked_, X800XL or 6800GT?

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yliu

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Hi,

I know that at stock speeds, many consider X800XL to be slightly better performing than 6800GT over all. However, from what I read the overclockability of the 6800GT is alot better since many can go to ultra speeds and more (that's over 14% of gain) while the X800XL is often limited to about 10-12% of gain. So has any compared the performance of a 6800GT at 400/1100 and an X800XL at 450/550? I am only asking about performance so cost is not a factor
 
The 6800gt is better at most games than the x800xl at stock, and it can OC higher, so its better either way. However, the x800xl will provide better bang for the buck.
 
Definatley go with the Radeon X800XL. It has better drivers that are updated every month unlike nVidia drivers which are updated only every 6 months. The X800XL I've heard can be overclocked to X800XT speeds and beyond. It's also better in Direct3D in which most games are made and, of course, it's cheaper!🙂
 
Goes x800 Pro, x800XL, x800 XT PE, x850 XT PE.

Memory Clock Speed (MHz) 450 490 575 590
Engine Clock Speed (MHz) 475 400 520 540

Mine is currently running at 555/555, so thats around a XT PE, if the XL can't do that, then go for the 6800GT.
 
Originally posted by: ScrewFace
Definatley go with the Radeon X800XL. It has better drivers that are updated every month unlike nVidia drivers which are updated only every 6 months. The X800XL I've heard can be overclocked to X800XT speeds and beyond. It's also better in Direct3D in which most games are made and, of course, it's cheaper!🙂
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Official drivers are better but there modded drivers that can more than keep up with ATi's, they are called XG and are updated what? every 2 weeks?

If you call faster better then it is (1%??). I call better the ability to play with the best IQ (Farcry HDR and Sprinter Cell 3 SM3.0 path, superb). My choice would be 6800GT is the price difference is <$70, if not go with the X800XL and buy a next gen card when they are ready and hit the market in quantitis.
 
dont get the x800...get the 6800...i can't stress how important the shader model 3.0 is on the 6xxx cards. even the x850 will probably run late 2005/2006 games like crap cuz it only has shader model 2.0. SM3.0 will be needed if you want to play future games.

so go for the 6800gt
 
Originally posted by: hans030390
dont get the x800...get the 6800...i can't stress how important the shader model 3.0 is on the 6xxx cards. even the x850 will probably run late 2005/2006 games like crap cuz it only has shader model 2.0. SM3.0 will be needed if you want to play future games.

so go for the 6800gt
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Based on current performance at overclocked speeds only, I would select the 6800GT only by a small margin if cost were no object.

Unfortunately, I can't stress how important $150 is. You can do so much with that money. Pocket the $ difference, wait until r520 comes out in 4 months, and if you have to play some game like D3, go for it. I know I love the HL2 engine and probably won't need to change for a while. Fortunately, you can choose to pick based on your gaming preferencess. While I would choose the X800XL and a DFI Lanparty nf4 Ultra for the same cost, you may not.

You could even buy a SledgeHammer mountain bike and take it off some sweet jumps.
 
Originally posted by: ScrewFace
Definatley go with the Radeon X800XL. It has better drivers that are updated every month unlike nVidia drivers which are updated only every 6 months. The X800XL I've heard can be overclocked to X800XT speeds and beyond. It's also better in Direct3D in which most games are made and, of course, it's cheaper!🙂
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Ati with better drivers... lol.
 
Originally posted by: hans030390
dont get the x800...get the 6800...i can't stress how important the shader model 3.0 is on the 6xxx cards. even the x850 will probably run late 2005/2006 games like crap cuz it only has shader model 2.0. SM3.0 will be needed if you want to play future games.

so go for the 6800gt
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A better card will be needed to play 2005/2006 games with high settings.
Of course the X850 will run 2006 games pretty poorly, if they are demanding games. Pretty much any card will (except for the new top end cards of the time).

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: ScrewFace
Definatley go with the Radeon X800XL. It has better drivers that are updated every month unlike nVidia drivers which are updated only every 6 months. The X800XL I've heard can be overclocked to X800XT speeds and beyond. It's also better in Direct3D in which most games are made and, of course, it's cheaper!🙂
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Ati with better drivers... lol.
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Dude, welcome to last year (or the year before?)
ATi drivers are absolutely fine, so STFU unless you know what you are talking about.
Although I have only been using an ATi card for a year or so with absolutely no issues, so maybe I am wrong.
 
From what I understand the 6800GT overclocks better, and is faster, but if the X800XL ever gets to its real MSRP ($300) it would be a better value card.
 
If this is for a PCIe system, I'd definately get x800xl since you can get it for $290 on Newegg. 6800GT PCIe is about $380.

If this is for an AGP system, I'd get 6800GT because it costs $330 and AGP X800XL isnt available and probably wont be cheaper than 6800GT AGP when it comes available.

X800XL will not overclock past 445mhz on air cooling without a volt mod or watercooling and it will not reach X800XT speeds. 6800GT will most likely overclock to Ultra speeds. 6800GT @ Ultra will certainly be faster in most games.
 
Icopoli-Mine is currently running at 555/555, so thats around a XT PE, if the XL can't do that, then go for the 6800GT.
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i'd like to see proof of a 555 core speed overclock. unless you're doing phase-change cooling, that is impossible to achieve. memory reaching 555 i can believe, but not a 155mhz core overclock
 
ScrewFace, That makes a change as nvidia had good support till recently and ati didnt have good drivers suport and still dont have the best opengl drivers, i think they still lacking windows 64bit drivers even though o/s is now final.

Anyhow who in their right mind will buy a non dx9c card and no p.s 3.0 this late in the day ?

I wouldnt even suggest a x850 as of the dx9 reason its only B not C.

And before anyone saying "ohh games not using this fully yet", well its 1 year old tech on nvidias card now this month so games will be using soon, so futureproof yourself a little.
 
Hmm I have an AIW X800 XL agp card and I can run it all day at 500/590 with the stock cooling. Cost me $352 from Newegg at the time and I get 6029 in 3Dmark05.

I absolutely love the card. It's fast as hell and does every damn thing I want it to.

As for your decision for a graphics card, I'd take a look at what kinda games you play and check out some of the many reviews on either card regarding the type of games you like.

Personally the price on the X800 XLs is a pretty sweet spot compared to the 6800GTs. And you're really not going to miss a whole lot by going with the cheaper solution.
 
Do you like to player older games as well as new? If you do nVidia is definitely the way to go.

GeForce cards feature many combined antialiasing modes, where you have both MSAA and SSAA happening at once.

ATi can't (won't actually) do SSAA (supersampling). Super sampling improves texture quality and is effective with alpha blended surfaces, whereas MSAA is not.

Performance in these combined modes is not as bad as ATi supporters would have people believe either. I average 35 fps in Mafia @ 1600x1200x32, Hi Quality, no optimizations, 16xS AA (4x MSAA, 2x2 SSAA), 16x AF. Please note that my CPU is a lowly XP2400+ and my memory is PC2100 (an upgrade to these is planned soon).

You can see the IQ for yourself (pics are 1024x768 due to size, were captured at 1024x768 also):
pic24db.jpg


pic15nd.jpg
 
ati didnt have good drivers suport and still dont have the best opengl drivers, i think they still lacking windows 64bit drivers even though o/s is now final.
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Oh the drivers are there. They may be beta, but the 64bit drivers exist.

If you want an X800XL, get one with a molex connector. They OC a bit better than the ones without due to the extra voltage. (at least some of the cards have better voltage than the ones without molex)

And Open GL?
Ok, let's see... which games use OpenGL... mostly old games which you can probably run more than 70 FPS, and Doom 3... which wasn't that exciting. (Wasn't exciting to me at all).

Also, when you look at the benchmark, it's kind of a 10 FPS difference. In a lot of games. Doesn't overclock too bad either. Hell, might OC more if you put ramsinks on the mem.
 
Doom 3 is an excellent game, ill be 1st in line to buy the expansion tomorrow.

Quake 4 will inevitably use the same engine.

I wasnt a big fan of Half life 2, i bought it just to get CS:Source and played the SP for a couple hours, all the loading pisses me off and it plays like the engine is horribly unoptimised (the play time between loads is TINY).
 
MedicalEntropy, only beta drivers that i am told are crapp for a final o/s is a joke, when nvidia / creative and nero all had it sorted long ago.

As for openGL, may be u not like doom3 or add on but others do and its openGL and even ati are trying to rewrite new drivers, so it must have some importance.

Still buying a non dx9c, non p.s 3.o card today in april 2005 is dumb, as its 1 year old tech and games starting to use, so who need old dx9b cards ? ( im not saying if you already have cards, just buying right now).

Fact is Doom3 and add on will do well, even if you dont agree.
 
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: hans030390
dont get the x800...get the 6800...i can't stress how important the shader model 3.0 is on the 6xxx cards. even the x850 will probably run late 2005/2006 games like crap cuz it only has shader model 2.0. SM3.0 will be needed if you want to play future games.

so go for the 6800gt
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A better card will be needed to play 2005/2006 games with high settings.
Of course the X850 will run 2006 games pretty poorly, if they are demanding games. Pretty much any card will (except for the new top end cards of the time).

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: ScrewFace
Definatley go with the Radeon X800XL. It has better drivers that are updated every month unlike nVidia drivers which are updated only every 6 months. The X800XL I've heard can be overclocked to X800XT speeds and beyond. It's also better in Direct3D in which most games are made and, of course, it's cheaper!🙂
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Ati with better drivers... lol.
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Dude, welcome to last year (or the year before?)
ATi drivers are absolutely fine, so STFU unless you know what you are talking about.
Although I have only been using an ATi card for a year or so with absolutely no issues, so maybe I am wrong.
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Well I DO know what I am talking about.. and yes, you are wrong.

Welcome to RIGHT NOW.
NV drivers are and have ALWAYS been superior.

Since you wont believe me, or him read THIS
http://www.elitebastards.com/page.php?pageid=9412&head=1&comments=1

Its on the efficiency of NV drivers over ATI.. I could go into the MAJOR differences between ATI and NV, which NV comes out on top EASY.

But theres some hints as to the detail that NVIDIA puts into their driver development. And ATI does NOT.

So as you said to him, STFU if you dont know what you're talking about.
You may have had no issues, but NV drivers are better. Sorry.

And the reason you had no issues is because ATI has had virtually the same graphics card since the 9700 Pro. Its easy to create killer drivers when you never fundamentally change the card, they basically added a single string in those drivers to recognize the X800s.
Nothing wrong with this, but we'll see how they do on a new architechure wont we.
But that is WHY you dont experience the horrors ATI users traditionally have.

Not because ATI drivers parallel NV's, they dont.. read the article, if you'd like to know the PLETHORA of other reasons NV drivers blow ATI's out of the game.. I'd be happy to oblidge.
 
Originally posted by: yliu
Hi,

I know that at stock speeds, many consider X800XL to be slightly better performing than 6800GT over all. However, from what I read the overclockability of the 6800GT is alot better since many can go to ultra speeds and more (that's over 14% of gain) while the X800XL is often limited to about 10-12% of gain. So has any compared the performance of a 6800GT at 400/1100 and an X800XL at 450/550? I am only asking about performance so cost is not a factor
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The bottom line answer to your question

overall, ATI and NV are about equal in DirectX performance
But in OpenGL, NV wins by a landslide, see Doom3

so who do you go with? Well I'll leave that up to you.


Now on the X800XL, its too late to be buying one of these, ATIs new cards are right around the corner with DX9C support and beyond.

If you buy today, you want DX9C (the current DX standard) and ONLY NV cards have that




The X800XL does not overclock well. Not nearly as well as the Geforces.

The X800XL has more pipelines (than x800pro), and the X800Pro has lowK dialectric insulation which is why it overclocks well.

So the X800XL is kind of stunted in its ability. If it were built like the X800Pro, you'd have a VERY fast and overclockable card.. too much for ATI's taste, it'd cannibalize their X850 sales.

The short answer?
You dont want to go with either of those, if the X800XL was more overclockable.. it'd be AWESOME.

But its not.

So get the faster stock card 6800GT, with DX9C hardware, better drivers, much faster OGL and MUCH MUCH better overclocking.

You can listen to the ATI fanboys who know nothing other than "X800XL is $300 ROCKSORZ!", or you can listen to me. Take your pick, but you'll notice they offer short quips as to why you should get a X800XL.. and I give you the WHOLE story.
From top to bottom, the Geforce6 lineup hands down sprays feces all over the ATI lineup. Sorry its the truth. The best ATI card is the X800xl, and as stated, even it isnt so great all things considered.

Good luck.
 
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