I'm building a me new comp the comming couple of weeks and I'm somewhat in a bind as to which ti4200 to go with. I got the Abit, ASUS, Creative, Gainward and MSI solutions available to me. I'm looking to go with the 128 MB RAM versions, because I look to overclock the card to ti4400 specs and yet I would have had better chances with the 64 MB 4 ns RAM, I will be surprised if the 128 MB 4.5 ns RAM wont be able to hit 550 MHz as well. I'm looking for any input from people who would happen to have any experience with either one of these cards, and how an eventual overclock adventure unfolded. I would also appreciate it if someone was to provide an url to a site with a decent comparison between the ti4200 versions, seeing as I've been unsuccessful to find one myself.
Which GeForce4 Ti4200
- Thread starter Cloudchaser
- Start date
GF4TI4200 128MB: Fast access memory def clocks of 250/444.
GF4TI4200 64MB: Faster access memory def clocks of 250/500.
Both are still faster than the GF3TI500 & full blown ATI Radeon8500. Both are identical in technology to the GF4TI4400/4600 the differences being; cost, shorter board (so fits more mobos), fewer layers, smaller power supply and cheaper memory technology (as found in GF3).
Each 4200 has its own merits making both an excellent choice. Here's the links I've found.
Tech-Report
4200-64 has only a 1.5% advantage over 4200-128.
O/C 4200-64 to 275/550, reached 300/580 but a little unstable.
TomsHW
4200-64 (simulated 4200-128 o/c to250/500) has a 6.5% advantage over 4200-128 (250/444) but bear in mind the simulated 4200-64 has 128MB.
O/C 4200-128 to 310/550.
AnAndTech
O/C Gainward4200-128 to 330/540.
FiringSquad
4200-64 has a 1% advantage.
O/C 4200-64 to 285/600 which was benchmarked and showed a nice increase except for Commanche4, it was still slower than the 4200-128 at default speed (250/444).
TomsHW2
4200-64 is 3% faster than 4200-128.
The FiringSquad example of Commanche4 showing the 4200-64 (o/c 285/600) slower than 4200-128 (def 250/444) could suggest the performance hit when a game requires more than 64MB.
According to FiringSquad regarding AA, 4200-64 is 8% faster at AA than the 4200-128.
One final note, the SUMA SPECIAL GF4TI4200-128MB which uses 3.3ns BGA RAM and a design from the TI4400/4600. It has a default of 250/550 (usual=250/444) and has o/c to 305/705 beating the GF4TI4600!
Suma
GF4TI4200 64MB: Faster access memory def clocks of 250/500.
Both are still faster than the GF3TI500 & full blown ATI Radeon8500. Both are identical in technology to the GF4TI4400/4600 the differences being; cost, shorter board (so fits more mobos), fewer layers, smaller power supply and cheaper memory technology (as found in GF3).
Each 4200 has its own merits making both an excellent choice. Here's the links I've found.
Tech-Report
4200-64 has only a 1.5% advantage over 4200-128.
O/C 4200-64 to 275/550, reached 300/580 but a little unstable.
TomsHW
4200-64 (simulated 4200-128 o/c to250/500) has a 6.5% advantage over 4200-128 (250/444) but bear in mind the simulated 4200-64 has 128MB.
O/C 4200-128 to 310/550.
AnAndTech
O/C Gainward4200-128 to 330/540.
FiringSquad
4200-64 has a 1% advantage.
O/C 4200-64 to 285/600 which was benchmarked and showed a nice increase except for Commanche4, it was still slower than the 4200-128 at default speed (250/444).
TomsHW2
4200-64 is 3% faster than 4200-128.
The FiringSquad example of Commanche4 showing the 4200-64 (o/c 285/600) slower than 4200-128 (def 250/444) could suggest the performance hit when a game requires more than 64MB.
According to FiringSquad regarding AA, 4200-64 is 8% faster at AA than the 4200-128.
One final note, the SUMA SPECIAL GF4TI4200-128MB which uses 3.3ns BGA RAM and a design from the TI4400/4600. It has a default of 250/550 (usual=250/444) and has o/c to 305/705 beating the GF4TI4600!
Suma
Thanks SnoopyDog dude. Don't forget to shop around though, the TI4400's have been out for months and sell for very competative prices too. A final note, do ensure you've got at least a 1ghz CPU to get the best from these cards, I see too many people sticking them in 700mhz PCs and wondering why they suck. If you CPU is towards the lower end of the CPU scale (how quickly it happens now-a-days) then you can enable AA & Anisotropic Filtering to use up that spare GPU power. Peace.I just got the gainward Ultra 4200-64MB+TV card. I figure i want to save as much as i can so i can buy a new vid card near christmas. Might as well have some good gaming now, and save some $$$ for a new'n'improved part from nVidia in the future
All GeForce4TI4200 & 4400 cards are excellent buys VC15. Well unless you own a Skt7 or PIII! There should be some nice and interesting cards coming out over the next 6 months (and just when the gfx market was looking a little stale), but I waited 6 months to get my hands on a GF4TI4200 so I couldn't wait any longer! All anyone gets by waiting is dusty redundant kit!Originally posted by: AnAndAustin
I know what you mean, i got a new Motherboard + CPU ordered, and can't wait to install the GF4-4200 in my new baby
damn, i'm giddy ! LOLI bought a 64 mb Gainward Ti4200. Have not overclocked it yet but also surious how others have done OC the Gainward 64mb Ti4200. My temps are under 40 so I should be able to do OK I think. Love this card.
I wanted to get my new Gainward GF4 Ti 4200 64MB +TV card tested with my new system this monday,
but mwave ran out of 2.26Gig P4 CPU's SH!T !!!! i wanted to OC' the vid card and check out if it was worth
the purchase, now i have to wait until they get their new shipment.
but mwave ran out of 2.26Gig P4 CPU's
SH!T !!!! i wanted to OC' the vid card and check out if it was worththe purchase, now i have to wait until they get their new shipment.
LeStEr, the RAM rating seems to be by far the most critical component for o/c, way more important than super HSF or even RAM HS! IIRC: Most 128MB 4200 cards come with 5ns (500mhz+), most 64MB 4200 cards come with 4.5ns (550mhz+). Some 'Golden Sample' type cards can come with 4ns (600mhz+). Never any guarantee for o/c, but any improvement is a free advantage any way. The best 4200 o/c'er isn't truely a 4200. It's made by SUMA (See my link above) and uses 128MB 3.3ns BGA RAM (all other 4200 use older TSOP) and the longer design from the TI4400/4600 with improved power regulation. It has a default of 250/550 (usual=250/444) and has o/c to 305/705 beating the GF4TI4600! Always rem that the 4400 is prob about the same price as the top 'enhanced' 4200 cards and would be a smarter buy.Just to correct myself on the RAM ns front. I was quoting from memory, and it is very confusing, most manus aren't sure of what type of RAM they use!
GF4TI4200 usually use 4.0ns shown to o/c to 550mhz.
GF4TI4400 usually use 3.6ns shown to o/c to 680mhz.
GF4TI4600 usually use 2.8ns shown to o/c to 760mhz.
The 64MB TI4200 cards may come with 3.6ns or 3.8ns RAM, not because 4.0ns can't handle the default clock of 500mhz but because the 64MB versions are considered more likely candidates for o/c'ers.
However, the 4200 may not be able to get the best from faster RAM due to the diffs between it and the 4400/4600. 4200 has 2 fewer layers, shorter design (fits more mobos), older TSOP RAM techn (as opposed to BGA) and less power regulation. With 4ns 4200 quite easily reaching 4400 speeds, you wouldn't know the diff though.
GF4TI4200 usually use 4.0ns shown to o/c to 550mhz.
GF4TI4400 usually use 3.6ns shown to o/c to 680mhz.
GF4TI4600 usually use 2.8ns shown to o/c to 760mhz.
The 64MB TI4200 cards may come with 3.6ns or 3.8ns RAM, not because 4.0ns can't handle the default clock of 500mhz but because the 64MB versions are considered more likely candidates for o/c'ers. However, the 4200 may not be able to get the best from faster RAM due to the diffs between it and the 4400/4600. 4200 has 2 fewer layers, shorter design (fits more mobos), older TSOP RAM techn (as opposed to BGA) and less power regulation. With 4ns 4200 quite easily reaching 4400 speeds, you wouldn't know the diff though.Very Good and very imformative posts as usual AnAndAustin
Good work!
I would personally go for the 128MB Version. Or just go for the Ti4400 all together.
Good work!
I would personally go for the 128MB Version. Or just go for the Ti4400 all together.
JEDI
Lifer
- Sep 25, 2001
- 29,391
- 2,738
- 126
read the other threads of ti4200 and ti4400
for 64meg cards, ti4200 64mb is your best bang for the buck
for 128meg (recommended if you dont plan to upgrade again till your card becomes outdated in 3 years), ti4400 128mb is best because it uses 3.5ns vs the 4ns in the ti4200 128mb thus better o/c. plus it comes w/a higher default clock, and only costs $30 more.
the diff between the ti4200 64mb and ti4400 is $70 tho. if you're on a budget, get the ti4200 64mb
for 64meg cards, ti4200 64mb is your best bang for the buck
for 128meg (recommended if you dont plan to upgrade again till your card becomes outdated in 3 years), ti4400 128mb is best because it uses 3.5ns vs the 4ns in the ti4200 128mb thus better o/c. plus it comes w/a higher default clock, and only costs $30 more.
the diff between the ti4200 64mb and ti4400 is $70 tho. if you're on a budget, get the ti4200 64mb
AnAndAustin,
64mb 4200's usually come with 3.6ns ram, which are rated at 555mhz (1 / 3.6 * 2 * some factor of 10). They come clocked at 500mhz
128mb 4200's come with 4.0ns ram, which are rated at 500mhz, and they come clocked at 444mhz.
They overclock as you said (although those are probably the best cases), but the above are their rated speeds. Just thought I'd try to clearify things a little.
Squibby
<Edit>
Oh, just to keep this on topic, I'd suggest the 128mb Gainward w/o VIVO or DVI ($184 shipped from Newegg)
64mb 4200's usually come with 3.6ns ram, which are rated at 555mhz (1 / 3.6 * 2 * some factor of 10). They come clocked at 500mhz
128mb 4200's come with 4.0ns ram, which are rated at 500mhz, and they come clocked at 444mhz.
They overclock as you said (although those are probably the best cases), but the above are their rated speeds. Just thought I'd try to clearify things a little.
Squibby
<Edit>
Oh, just to keep this on topic, I'd suggest the 128mb Gainward w/o VIVO or DVI ($184 shipped from Newegg)
It's always worth remembering that not everybody lives in the US and as such prices vary by quite a way in other countries. As such it is difficult to give precise recommendations based upon price. Squibby, I thought the 64MB 4200's came with faster than 4.0ns RAM too, but ALL of the 4200-64 that I've seen so far in the UK come with the same 4.0ns as the 4200-128! The 64MB versions are still a very good purchase and do seem to be very competatively priced, but I haven't seen much to point to 64MB cards coming eqipped with better RAM. They only seem to get the RAM HS & nifty fan designs which seem to do nothing to enhance o/c in the same way as adding some fluffy dice to your car mirror don't improve your car. Another thing that defies logic a little is the ability of 4.0ns to o/c so well on all of the 4200 cards. I have heard 4.0ns is designed with a limit of 500mhz but I've seen many reviews AND consumers who have managed to get 4.0ns up to 550mhz with full stability. I haven't heard of a 4200-128 that hasn't hit a 275/540 if not 300/540 o/c and still stayed fully stable. Perhaps it is the newer chips coming out of the factories which are higher quality or some enhanced design of the GF4TI cards. I believe it is only the 'Golden Sample' or 'Deluxe' versions of 4200 which come equipped with anything faster than 4.0ns RAM regardless of being 64MB or 128MB. It is important to rem that the 4200 do use a shorter 6-layer board layout (fits more mobos ), TSOP instead of BGA RAM, and have fewer power regulation 'stuff' on board. It is these that I would imagine will limit the o/c potential of 4200's, perhaps more so than the speed of RAM used.Despite what the RAM speed are technically quoted as able to achieve, reviews and consumers seem to find the following:
GF4TI4200 (both 128MB & 64MB) usually use 4.0ns shown to o/c to 550mhz.
GF4TI4400 usually use 3.6ns shown to o/c to 680mhz.
GF4TI4600 usually use 2.8ns shown to o/c to 760mhz.
It would be handy if people could quote what they have found from their cards and the type of RAM that their card uses. It is usually found on the RAM chips and is the last 2 numbers on the second row.
EG from a GF2GTS:
SAMSUNG 124
K4062323HA-QC60
UGCV08ED KOREA
Hence this GTS uses 6.0ns RAM from Samsung.
Link to what consumers have found
GF4TI4200 (both 128MB & 64MB) usually use 4.0ns shown to o/c to 550mhz.
GF4TI4400 usually use 3.6ns shown to o/c to 680mhz.
GF4TI4600 usually use 2.8ns shown to o/c to 760mhz.
It would be handy if people could quote what they have found from their cards and the type of RAM that their card uses. It is usually found on the RAM chips and is the last 2 numbers on the second row.
EG from a GF2GTS:
SAMSUNG 124
K4062323HA-QC60
UGCV08ED KOREA
Hence this GTS uses 6.0ns RAM from Samsung.
Link to what consumers have found
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 21K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter