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Any word if Pentax will ever go full frame? If they do, their crop sensor lenses and people who own them will be in trouble...
Any word if Pentax will ever go full frame? If they do, their crop sensor lenses and people who own them will be in trouble...
Zenmervolt
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So the 28-70 F/2.8 isn't fast? Nor is the 80-200 F2.8? Funny, those look a lot like two fast zooms.
The 100-300 F/4.7-5.8 and the 250-600 F/5.6 look a LOT like telezooms too... Hell, at a constant F/5.6, the 250-600 is comparably quite fast as well.
Or are you using some new definition of "0" of which I was previously unaware?
Calling out Canon's lens lineup is deceptive at best. The Pentax lineup covers all the range that a normal shooter will ever need. When I shoot with film, I can get 80% of the shots I want with two primes, a 24mm and a 50mm. An inexpensive Tamron 60-300 zoom takes care of the rest. If I need to travel light, I can manage in most situations with my little 28-70. In my experience, better than 90% of the (non-professional) people who make a big deal about having to buy Canon "because of the lens lineup" end up using just a normal 18-70 consumer zoom and a 75-300 consumer zoom. They may buy other lenses as well, but it's almost (note: almost) always the cheap consumer zooms that they use 90+% of the time.
Canon makes great cameras and great lenses, but good Nikon, good Minolta, or good Pentax glass is equal to good Canon glass (yes, "L" lenses included). Just as good Nikon, Canon, Pentax, or Minolta glass is equal to Zeiss or Leica.
ZV
JulesMaximus
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Looking on B&H Photo's website I don't see a 28-70 f/2.8 Pentax lens. Nor do I see an 80-200 f/2.8 lens. I also didn't see those lenses on Pentax's own website under SLR lenses. Hell, I don't see any of the lenses you mentioned on either site...well, except for that slow 100-300mm lens.
yhelothar
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Well said.
I do about 70% of my shooting with the 50mm F/1.4.
I use my 135mm F/2.5 if I need a bit of telephoto, and 16mm F/2.8 fisheye if I need some dramatic wide angle shots.
I have a 28-70mm F/2.8 Sigma EX zoom, but I seldomly use it as the contrast is poor compared to my primes. All those elements can't compare with Pentax primes with their SMC coating.
here's a little comparison between the sigma zoom and my 30yr old 50mm F/1.4
IMO, people are a bit too obsessed with having every darn focal length out there.
Are you always this much of a tard?
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/cameras/lenses/digital_35mm/
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/p...ID--3036/subsection--Digital_35mm_zoom
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/p...ID--3028/subsection--Digital_35mm_zoom
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/p...ID--3040/subsection--Digital_35mm_zoom
And Canon sure as fvck doesn't have one of these gems:
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/p...ID--6729/subsection--Digital_35mm_zoom
JulesMaximus
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Go fvck yourself asshole. It's not my fault their website lists lenses that nobody seems to sell or that they lay it out in such a way that you can't find the sh!t you're looking for.
I clicked on purchase our products and then found SLR lenses
chill guys, buy whichever camera/lens system you prefer, everyone has their own preference, its not better or worse than another person's preference.
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For non-medium format, I'm a little worried. Canon, by using FF, is giving itself more room to grow. FF by its sheer size just gives more room to pack pixels and new technology. APS-C sensors just seem like they're going to be reaching a performance ceiling in terms of noise, resolution, etc. Once they reach that ceiling, they're going to need a tech breakthrough to keep going up.
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fixed
seems like there is very little added information between 8 and 10 mp. of course, that's just a 25% increase in resolution. but i bet most lenses aren't sharp enough to tell a difference with. maybe if you make a poster sized image.
and canon doing FF is a pro-oriented loss-leader strategy. keep the pros happy and you'll sell more consumer bodies/lenses.
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lol
There is definitely a difference between 8MP and 12MP though, and even more when you're talking 16MP FF. At 12MP FF though you'll really be showing off the flaws of your lens. 10MP... not so much. I personally don't see this megappixel race slowing down anytime soon. The companies have managed to dumb down the consumers just a bit too much IMO... I don't think many of them will understand when they hear that the sensor is outresolving the lens.
I personally think Canon will move FF into the consumer market. Once they've taxed APS-C for all it's worth, they can just start plopping in FF sensors, which they will be in an excellent condition to do because they:
1. Already have a lot of experience with FF sensors, and they manufacture them themselves, which they may be able to eventually do cheaply.
2. The vast majority of their lenses are already FF compatible, unlike Olympus and Nikon and Pentax which IMO are sorta digging themselves into a hole by staying with APS-C and smaller and taking their lenses with them.
3. FF sensors have a lot of room to grow.
Nikon D50 or D40 FTW
D40 is great for beginner and is cheap @ $599 with kit lens. I'm not sure the D50 price. If you can find it around the same price then I would definitely get it over the D40 as it has more features and they are basically the same camera but the D50 is targeted at a little higher than the cheaper D40 entry level.
D40 is great for beginner and is cheap @ $599 with kit lens. I'm not sure the D50 price. If you can find it around the same price then I would definitely get it over the D40 as it has more features and they are basically the same camera but the D50 is targeted at a little higher than the cheaper D40 entry level.
Don't forget Sony, which everyone but one poster (who owns the Alpha!) is doing. Sony bought out Minolta (I'll leave Konica out of it), and many of the Minolta engineers stayed on with Sony. The new Zeiss lenses (well, two of them) are out, and the first shots I've seen are absolutely stunning on both the Maxxum 7D and the A100. Of course, at $1300+, the image quality had better be good!
All signs point to Sony entering the full frame market as well, and there are allegedly two new Alpha cameras coming out next year, to be announced within a few months. It doesn't seem like either will be full frame, but no one knows for sure. One will most likely be a 30D and possibly D200 competitor (7D replacement), and the other might be a D40 competitor.
As for Pentax, I suspect that if the new cameras gain a good following, the third party manufacturers will start adding their lenses in Pentax mount, such as the Sigma 10-20mm and the "Bigma" 50-500mm. The Pentax older lens market will likely do what the Alpha has done to older Minolta lenses and drive the prices way up on eBay until new production catches up to satisfy the market. I sold one 50mm f/1.7 a little while back for $50, and just recently sold another for $90 -- prices in the UK have jumped even more, with the same lens going for nearly $200 in some cases (prices are higher there anyway but still)!
As for the OP, try the cameras out in the store to see what you like. Advice from current owners is always biased, but there's no substitute for holding the camera in your hand and seeing if you like how it feels. I decided against the D50, the Rebel series, Olympus, and Pentax (don't remember which model) by trying them out and finally settled on the 7D because it's solid (and the price was right). Happy shooting!
All signs point to Sony entering the full frame market as well, and there are allegedly two new Alpha cameras coming out next year, to be announced within a few months. It doesn't seem like either will be full frame, but no one knows for sure. One will most likely be a 30D and possibly D200 competitor (7D replacement), and the other might be a D40 competitor.
As for Pentax, I suspect that if the new cameras gain a good following, the third party manufacturers will start adding their lenses in Pentax mount, such as the Sigma 10-20mm and the "Bigma" 50-500mm. The Pentax older lens market will likely do what the Alpha has done to older Minolta lenses and drive the prices way up on eBay until new production catches up to satisfy the market. I sold one 50mm f/1.7 a little while back for $50, and just recently sold another for $90 -- prices in the UK have jumped even more, with the same lens going for nearly $200 in some cases (prices are higher there anyway but still)!
As for the OP, try the cameras out in the store to see what you like. Advice from current owners is always biased, but there's no substitute for holding the camera in your hand and seeing if you like how it feels. I decided against the D50, the Rebel series, Olympus, and Pentax (don't remember which model) by trying them out and finally settled on the 7D because it's solid (and the price was right). Happy shooting!
Yeah, they went down, down, down, then up, up, and upper.
I snagged mine from buydig for $575 with free shipping.
I have never seen it cheaper. :QI am very, very happy with it. I bought it with the kit lens, used it for 4 months, and realized I needed more reach. I bought the Nikon 28-200mm
lens, and I haven't taken it off the camera.
I then bought the SB-600 speedlight, and I am almost done. Just need a fast prime, and I'm done spending $$$ (maybe
)I think Canon has a better selection of sorta-affordable IS lenses, but I am very happy with my D50.
6 megapixels is plenty for me.
Nikon D50 is a good one for $500 retail.
I have an XT and I have hated the viewfinder since they day I got it (almost two years ago). Stay away from the XTi if you care about something as important as the viewfinder.
I have an XT and I have hated the viewfinder since they day I got it (almost two years ago). Stay away from the XTi if you care about something as important as the viewfinder.
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full frame sensors are also 864 sq mm, which is well over 4x the size of a typical microprocessor. it's just under 3x the size of an APS sensor. and not quite 2x the size of a G80 or R600. assuming they get 1/3 the yield that ati or nvidia does, that's a super expensive part.
cost of an FF sensor is probably 4x to 5x what an APS sensor is.
Get a used one from the nikonians, fredmiranda, or canon potn forums. Or here on the fs/t. I sold my mint d50 for 399 shipped
Is the Canon XTi's viewfinder really that big of a difference compared to the Nikon? Sorry for all the noob questions, I'm just breaking into the hobby and I just want to make sure I'm spending my money well.
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