Which department do you believe we could get rid of?

[Incorruptible]

I don't so much care about the departments, we just need intelligent spending by the departments. Drop 90% of foreign aid, cut military by 75%, cut 90% of corporate subsidy, then put us back on a proper progressive tax system topping around 50-75% (making sure to execute ANYONE trying to get out of paying) and quit taking loans until all outstanding debts paid. Problem solved.

Maybe the government should execute you for suggesting your retarded ideas? Next time try to think before you post. Your free to leave the US and move somewhere more suitable, Europe should be good for you.

 

[Wreckem]

I have problems with the DoI and USDA.

When your programs that sell the govts natural resources to corporations lose money instead of turning a profit, there are problems. But thats not necessarily all their fault as Congress has cuffed their hands. Congress has basically caused the US to receive very little for our federally owned natural resources over our entire history, including present day.

 

[nehalem256]

As much as people bitch about our "unsecure" borders. Our borders are more secure today than at any other time in US history. Which honestly doesn't say much. To fully secure our borders would require far more money than any political figure is willing to spend. We can secure our border and prevent illegal immigration but doing so would come at a very steep price.

I don't think its so much a problem of "too much money" as it is a lack of balls.

I mean we have lefties that worry that illegal immigrants might be afraid to report crimes to the police... They should be afraid.

We have illegal immigrants who drive around in vans tour the US proudly proclaiming their illegal status. We have illegal immigrants who show up to congressional offices and proudly proclaim their illegal status.

Maybe if illegal immigrants actually were afraid, and being here was made as uncomfortable for them as possible., there would be far fewer of them.

 

[PrinceofWands]

What do people mean when saying get rid of DHS? Breaking it back up into the smaller parts or getting rid of it all?

I mean alot bitch about immigration. We'd drastically need to increase DHS's budget to combat illegal immigration, but yet people want to get rid of DHS. Right now almost half of DHS' budget goes towards ICE, CBP, and USCIS(the 3 agencies that handle immigration). Add in Coast Guard and that is almost 3/4's of DHS's budget.

I am pretty sure people aren't saying they want to do away with ICE, CBP, USCIS or the Coast Guard. So what do you want to get rid of? FEMA? Secret Service? Or just the TSA and the National Protection and Programme Directorate?

And people keep spouting domestic spying and DHS. But ummm the DoJ and DoD are far more responsible for "domestic spying."

Don't think it needs a central department for the most part...at most a cabinet level oversight coordinator. TSA definitely needs to go, anything relating to drug enforcement (though I think that's mostly DoJ), most of FEMA should be moved to Health or Interior or anything else. Bunch of other minor cuts in it.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Maybe the government should execute you for suggesting your retarded ideas? Next time try to think before you post. Your free to leave the US and move somewhere more suitable, Europe should be good for you.

Eat me you 45IQ wise and beautiful woman.

You do realize that at EVERY positive point in American history the top rate was 75-90%, right? All the periods of growth and prosperity? EVERY bad point in American economic history has come tied to reduction in tax rate, and 'trickle down' attempts. Every one.

In short, go fucking die you ignorant worthless pile of buffalo spunk, because everything you've ever thought, felt, said, or done is why America sucks today.

 

[Absolution75]

Drone strikes incoming

 

[NoStateofMind]

Eat me you 45IQ wise and beautiful woman.

You do realize that at EVERY positive point in American history the top rate was 75-90%, right? All the periods of growth and prosperity? EVERY bad point in American economic history has come tied to reduction in tax rate, and 'trickle down' attempts. Every one.

In short, go fucking die you ignorant worthless pile of buffalo spunk, because everything you've ever thought, felt, said, or done is why America sucks today.

So you are fond of slavery? And if there is resistance they should aggressively and violently take what is rightfully ours....I mean "theirs"?

 

[PrinceofWands]

So you are fond of slavery? And if there is resistance they should aggressively and violently take what is rightfully ours....I mean "theirs"?

I'm a fan of working nations. Nations don't work without taxation. Period. Nearly every good thing in any country is result of taxation revenue (properly spent of course).

There are only two options: total every-man-for-himself anarchy, or collectivist nations where everyone contributes to the whole. That's it, no other choice. So either fork over your taxes or pick up a weapon and hope I don't want your wife.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I'm a fan of working nations. Nations don't work without taxation. Period. Nearly every good thing in any country is result of taxation revenue (properly spent of course).

There are only two options: total every-man-for-himself anarchy, or collectivist nations where everyone contributes to the whole. That's it, no other choice. So either fork over your taxes or pick up a weapon and hope I don't want your wife.

You do know you are advocating slavery correct? You can change the words to make it sound nice and pretty but doesn't change the facts. Forcing someone against their will by way of aggression, coercion or violence is unacceptable between you and your neighbors. Why do you accept it from "government"?


Also your working statement has nothing to do with taxes. People will work without them. So I don't know why you brought that into this....

EDIT: I see what you meant by "working" now. Still I don't know how you can claim a society must have some sort of centralized government to "work". That takes quite a bit of assumptions and excludes a lot of reality.

 

[glenn1]

I'm a fan of working nations. Nations don't work without taxation. Period. Nearly every good thing in any country is result of taxation revenue (properly spent of course).

There are only two options: total every-man-for-himself anarchy, or collectivist nations where everyone contributes to the whole. That's it, no other choice. So either fork over your taxes or pick up a weapon and hope I don't want your wife.

Nearly every good thing is a result of taxation? Wow, you have some remarkably low standards.

And I'm perfectly willing to pick up a weapon and defend myself from the likes of you, taxes or no.

 

[Lithium381]

EPA, which isn't a department, but the admin has essentially the same rank as a department head. . .

Dept of justice . . .

 

[Juror No. 8]

I'm a fan of working nations.

On what basis is something considered "working" or not? Who gets to decide?

Nations don't work without taxation. Period.

Yes, much the same way that Mafia extortion rackets don't "work" without people to extort.

Nearly every good thing in any country is result of taxation revenue (properly spent of course).

LOL. Yes, government is responsible for everything good in the world! Praise government! Without smooth-talking politicians we'd all be lost!

LOL.

There are only two options: total every-man-for-himself anarchy, or collectivist nations where everyone contributes to the whole. That's it, no other choice. So either fork over your taxes or pick up a weapon and hope I don't want your wife.

No thanks, you can keep your collectivist slave society religious bullshit to yourself. I prefer freedom.

 

[Incorruptible]

Eat me you 45IQ wise and beautiful woman.

You do realize that at EVERY positive point in American history the top rate was 75-90%, right? All the periods of growth and prosperity? EVERY bad point in American economic history has come tied to reduction in tax rate, and 'trickle down' attempts. Every one.

In short, I need to go fucking die since I am an ignorant worthless pile of buffalo spunk, because everything I've ever thought, felt, said, or done is why America sucks today.

FTFY. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being. As others have already said your advocating slavery.

How about you go and try to steal from all the rich people and watch when your facing down the barrel of a gun from them?

You have got your ass handed to you and have been owned pretty hard so your lucky I am going easy on you.

 

[IronWing]

to put things into perspective...

I like the graphic overall but WTF is that pie chart of Total Budget? It shows revenue, spending, and deficits on the same pie. You can't do that.

 

[Murloc]

I don't know the details of what they do, their budgets and if multiple departments have the same ministry, but here's what jumps to my eyes:

Department of Defense

rename it department of war.
/polemic

Department of Veterans Affairs

why a special department just for this? Should be handled by defense and health/social services, soldier pensions and their healthcare is the responsibility of the armed forces imho. It should count as money spent on "defense".

Department of Education

this should be state business. Create minimum federal requirements for primary, lower secondary and upper secondary diplomas and leave the states to do whatever they want. Finance research and universities, but there's no need for a dept to do this, just make it a subsection of the interior.

Department of Homeland Security

this stuff is handled by the interior anywhere in the world, why do they need a separate dept? Terrists?

Department of Housing and Urban Development

isn't this state business?

 

[tuxberg]

Where is "All of the above." ??

 

[Ken g6]

Homeland security, what we needed was simple inter agency communication. What we got was a bloated atrocity of a bureaucracy and domestic spying program.

I agree, Homeland Security should never have been created. Inter-agency communication should have been handled by the NSA. They are the experts at sifting through information after all. Give 'em access - at various levels for various clearances of course - to everything in the FBI and CIA. Then the only problem is getting the information back out.

 

[Fenixgoon]

DHS, DoEd, and the office of the national director of intelligence (cant remember if that falls under DHS)

 

[HeXen]

CIA certainly seems to have a heavy history of lies, misinformation and conspiracies. Many agencies probably have information they share to no one including the President, it's all kinda ridiculous to me, there has to be a better way.
I also think black projects should be included in the sequester, get rid of Area 51!

 

[Thebobo]

Maybe the government should execute you for suggesting your retarded ideas? Next time try to think before you post. Your free to leave the US and move somewhere more suitable, Europe should be good for you.

Breath..

 

[PrinceofWands]

You do know you are advocating slavery correct? You can change the words to make it sound nice and pretty but doesn't change the facts. Forcing someone against their will by way of aggression, coercion or violence is unacceptable between you and your neighbors. Why do you accept it from "government"?


Also your working statement has nothing to do with taxes. People will work without them. So I don't know why you brought that into this....

EDIT: I see what you meant by "working" now. Still I don't know how you can claim a society must have some sort of centralized government to "work". That takes quite a bit of assumptions and excludes a lot of reality.

No, I'm advocating citizenry. It carries responsibility. You have NO idea what slavery is judging from your conceptualization here.

You're not being forced to do anything. You're free to leave at ANY time. If you choose to stay and benefit from living in a society instead of anarchy then you WILL contribute. It's not rocket science.

Oh I dunno, couple decades of school and study into things like history, anthropology, sociology, psychology, economics, political science, etc.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Nearly every good thing is a result of taxation? Wow, you have some remarkably low standards.

And I'm perfectly willing to pick up a weapon and defend myself from the likes of you, taxes or no.

Likewise.

If you have an argument, make it. Otherwise your head is up your ass.

 

[PrinceofWands]

On what basis is something considered "working" or not? Who gets to decide?

Quality of life, rating on freedom indexes, happiness aggregates, economic stability, duration of existence, etc.

Yes, much the same way that Mafia extortion rackets don't "work" without people to extort.

Please list for me the nations that do not tax their citizens.

LOL. Yes, government is responsible for everything good in the world! Praise government! Without smooth-talking politicians we'd all be lost!

Please list for me the things you consider 'good' that are not made possible through the existence of a working government. Please bear in mind that I will pull out history, anthropology, and so on to refute everything you say. You will likely attempt to discredit me or dismiss my statements, but your attempts will all be fallacious.

No thanks, you can keep your collectivist slave society religious bullshit to yourself. I prefer freedom.

And you can keep your ignorant, selfish, pitiable stupid understanding of our existence on this planet. I prefer reality.

 

[PrinceofWands]

FTFY. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being. As others have already said your advocating slavery.

How about you go and try to steal from all the rich people and watch when your facing down the barrel of a gun from them?

You have got your ass handed to you and have been owned pretty hard so your lucky I am going easy on you.

I believe you're looking in a mirror sir.

My guns are nicer, I have 100,000-1,000,000 times as many of them (ie lower classes vs wealthy), and unlike the wealthy we know how to use them.

Nobody handed my ass anywhere. A couple equally ignorant sorry cunts like you got their dander up because I pointed out reality to them and they're too spoiled of children to accept facts. Go go easy on your own pussy son, you're NOTHING compared to me. You're a stupid, pitiable, worthless waste of human flesh who should LITERALLY die in a fire this very instant to relieve the world of your sort of ignorance.

 

[Incorruptible]

I believe you're looking in a mirror sir.

My guns are nicer, I have 100,000-1,000,000 times as many of them (ie lower classes vs wealthy), and unlike the wealthy we know how to use them.

Nobody handed my ass anywhere. A couple equally ignorant sorry cunts like you got their dander up because I pointed out reality to them and they're too spoiled of children to accept facts. Go go easy on your own pussy son, you're NOTHING compared to me. You're a stupid, pitiable, worthless waste of human flesh who should LITERALLY die in a fire this very instant to relieve the world of your sort of ignorance.

Your "policies" are directly violating the Constitution and they were destroyed so yes you got your ass handed to you. Your nothing but a coward.

You are a pathetic excuse for a human being and a disgusting piece of shit. Very tolerant of you to tell people to die. Its scum like you that we dont need.