Question Which cpu should I go with?

[kongfranon]

So I have a real old system, a i5 3570k, 16 GB ram, 980TI, play @ 1440P, might eventually upgrade to 4K later but I love my current monitor.

my cpu is definitely bottlenecking my 980TI in many games, specifically those that uses lots of threads like Battlefield 5. I am a huge BF fan, and really looking forward to next Battlefield.

I know alder lake is coming out soon, but I just got lucky and got my hands on a 3080TI from EVGA paying MSRP price. directly from EVGA

I would like to upgrade my cpu/ram/mobo, already upgraded Powersupply to 1000 Watts. I just don't know what chip to go with? I do have microcenter locally and I know I can get some decent prices. I was looking at I9-10850k, or I7-10700k. I heard 11th gen not much of an upgrade.

Or do I go AMD but which AMD? I heard high end AMD chips very hard to find. I prefer gigabyte boards, have always used that in my builds and been rock solid for me.

Any suggestions? What CPU really is best for 3080TI so it won't be a bottleneck?

 

[solidsnake1298]

All you have to do is turn off MCE. You don't need to make any other adjustments. Once it is off, your CPU will behave as Intel designed it to. MCE is not an Intel spec and is a way for motherboard manufacturers to make it LOOK like that their motherboard is superior when they are actually just OC'ing the CPU at the cost of power and heat.

Manual OC'ing is very time consuming. Unless you ENJOY doing this kind of thing, I would just turn off MCE and be done with it. Or leave it on. Your choice.

 

[Arkaign]

Fwiw, Intel's XTU utility is super easy to use within windows to dial up the multiplier a couple notches when you feel like it, and can otherwise leave it default with MCE disabled. Best of both worlds. 👍

 

[kongfranon]

All you have to do is turn off MCE. You don't need to make any other adjustments. Once it is off, your CPU will behave as Intel designed it to. MCE is not an Intel spec and is a way for motherboard manufacturers to make it LOOK like that their motherboard is superior when they are actually just OC'ing the CPU at the cost of power and heat.

Manual OC'ing is very time consuming. Unless you ENJOY doing this kind of thing, I would just turn off MCE and be done with it. Or leave it on. Your choice.

Yeah I am not a huge overclocker, I think this chip is fast enough for what I am doing playing games. I guess my only concern after reading and watching that video, was I don't want my chips too get too hot or use too much voltage.

Anyway I turned off MCE, that seemed to help a little, with cinebench it still gets hot close to 90, as long as it won't damage motherboard or CPU then I don't really care much.


Thanks!

 

[solidsnake1298]

90 degrees is perfectly fine. I'm assuming you are using Cinebench R20. If so, R20 uses the AVX instruction set which is known to push both AMD and Intel processors to higher temps and power usage. You probably won't get anywhere near 90 degrees while gaming. Probably won't even go above 70 degrees.

 

[kongfranon]

90 degrees is perfectly fine. I'm assuming you are using Cinebench R20. If so, R20 uses the AVX instruction set which is known to push both AMD and Intel processors to higher temps and power usage. You probably won't get anywhere near 90 degrees while gaming. Probably won't even go above 70 degrees.

Yeah I think i used the latest Cinebench which is r23?

I am now in the middle of pretty much reinstalling all my games, apps, and rest of my desktop, so I should finally by tomorrow see how it plays tomorrow

 

[kongfranon]

So i played two games, call of duty black ops, and used EVGA precision X1 to measure GPU and CPU temps. GPU never hit any higher then 83, which I think is really good for 3080TI since my 980TI use to hit 83-84 all the time in CoD. CPU package, and core1/core9 was mostly around 75-85 with average of 80, it also used 8 GB of Vram which I am shocked but I did max out every setting. I take it these CPU temps are fine for daily gaming? I don't know enough about CoD if it not optimized and very heavy CPU dependent. I will say it night and day compared to my previous build, I went from going 50-70 FPS with some stuttering to 100-130 FPS on average with no stuttering.

I also tried overwatch, I get it that is not a high end game but was curious my CPU never went higher then 51-53

I did notice vcore mostly stayed around 1.3 majority of the time, and went as high as 1.4 but not frequent n CoD

 

[Arkaign]

It sounds like you might have a pretty bad IHS/TIM. A lot of people see substantial reduction in temps by delidding. Fwiw, I ran a 9900KS at 5.1-5.2 with synced cache and no offset and never exceeded 75C under a DH15 Chromax.

There are some great guides online from Derbauer, delidding tools are cheap, and then you can use liquid metal and perhaps buy one of the premium IHS.

I can pretty much guarantee it will very noticably lower temps.

HOWEVER, you are not running dangerously hot, and this is purely a hobbyist/OCD/tuner kind of thing to do. I wouldn't recommend it if it makes you feel nervous or can live with those temps.

 

[kongfranon]

It sounds like you might have a pretty bad IHS/TIM. A lot of people see substantial reduction in temps by delidding. Fwiw, I ran a 9900KS at 5.1-5.2 with synced cache and no offset and never exceeded 75C under a DH15 Chromax.

There are some great guides online from Derbauer, delidding tools are cheap, and then you can use liquid metal and perhaps buy one of the premium IHS.

I can pretty much guarantee it will very noticably lower temps.

HOWEVER, you are not running dangerously hot, and this is purely a hobbyist/OCD/tuner kind of thing to do. I wouldn't recommend it if it makes you feel nervous or can live with those temps.

Yeah I am not going that route, I played a few other games and CPU seem to be around 60 , but still need to test more, for example chivalry 2 was only 55-58. So far Call of Duty Black ops hit my CPU highest. I am trying to thin of other games to test that utilize the CPU a lot more

I ran 3dmark basic, and CPU was under 60, but that is for graphics.


As long as I am not doing anything wrong and safe to play then I will leave as is, just wasnt sure if I should add more fans in my case or try and take off cooler, clean up paste and repaste it.


Thanks

 

[blckgrffn]

Yeah I am not going that route, I played a few other games and CPU seem to be around 60 , but still need to test more, for example chivalry 2 was only 55-58. So far Call of Duty Black ops hit my CPU highest. I am trying to thin of other games to test that utilize the CPU a lot more

I ran 3dmark basic, and CPU was under 60, but that is for graphics.


As long as I am not doing anything wrong and safe to play then I will leave as is, just wasnt sure if I should add more fans in my case or try and take off cooler, clean up paste and repaste it.


Thanks

Based on my limited experience with that CPU (I too turned off MCE and limited PL2 - the long Turbo - to 140W based on the Be Quiet! cooler TDP rating) you are right in a sweet spot so far as I can tell.

Keeping it ~60C or lower during gaming is great because that should allow your fans to run at less than full speed where they should stay a lot quieter.

Nice

 

[kongfranon]

Based on my limited experience with that CPU (I too turned off MCE and limited PL2 - the long Turbo - to 140W based on the Be Quiet! cooler TDP rating) you are right in a sweet spot so far as I can tell.

Keeping it ~60C or lower during gaming is great because that should allow your fans to run at less than full speed where they should stay a lot quieter.

Nice

thanks I think I was looking at the wrong sensors for vcore, I was looking at VID in hwinfo64 for each cpu and saw it showing 1.3 - 1.4, but then I realized there is another vcore on the mobo that shows around 1.1 to 1.3 which sounds better.

I am installing Battlefield 5 now, I remember I had a really hard time playing this on my i5 3570 since very cpu intensive, so really curious how this runs on this build

 

[blckgrffn]

thanks I think I was looking at the wrong sensors for vcore, I was looking at VID in hwinfo64 for each cpu and saw it showing 1.3 - 1.4, but then I realized there is another vcore on the mobo that shows around 1.1 to 1.3 which sounds better.

I am installing Battlefield 5 now, I remember I had a really hard time playing this on my i5 3570 since very cpu intensive, so really curious how this runs on this build

Let us know

My Dad moved from a 5820k to the 10850k and our goto is Borderlands 3. It definitely helped raise the FPS - especially the minimum FPS which is, imo, easier to "feel". Higher is good but hitting solid 90-100FPS feels great on a good monitor.

 

[kongfranon]

Let us know

My Dad moved from a 5820k to the 10850k and our goto is Borderlands 3. It definitely helped raise the FPS - especially the minimum FPS which is, imo, easier to "feel". Higher is good but hitting solid 90-100FPS feels great on a good monitor.

truthfully I built this machine just for the next battlefield otherwise I think I would have waited until next year but I am glad I did

 

[kongfranon]

ok i just played some BF5, GPU around 80-83, CPU was 75-82 though I saw different numbers if it was a cpu package vs a core1 or a core9 , I don't really understand differences between CPU package and each individual core. But for the most part they all said about 75-82, I also maxed out every setting in the game to the highest and was getting roughly 130 FPS on average and ran smooth as butter.


So maybe I should stop worrying about the CPU temps and just enjoy the build.

 

[solidsnake1298]

As long as you aren't throttling, then temps don't matter that much.

 

[blckgrffn]

As long as you aren't throttling, then temps don't matter that much.

I mean, it will throttle on something. Whether that is power usage or temps, the main thing is that CPUs are really designed to work this way these days.

We even have to qualify throttling - which multiplier is it using? All core, six core, one core max boost? lol. I guess by throttling I am saying it is falling back to its all core turbo speed/voltage. Which is fine. The base frequency exists for a reason.

 

[Arkaign]

What is your case airflow situation like? Can you maybe post a pic? The temps seem fairly extreme to me. Not necessarily imminent death temps, but levels which I would personally never accept in a system filled with expensive parts.

 

[kongfranon]

What is your case airflow situation like? Can you maybe post a pic? The temps seem fairly extreme to me. Not necessarily imminent death temps, but levels which I would personally never accept in a system filled with expensive parts.

So my case is this

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This is my first build in the case, and I am just using the default fans it comes with which is 1 x 140mm rear exhaust, and 1 x 20mm front intake, both are phantek fans


This one: https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-...ords=phanteks+200mm+fan&qid=1626405634&sr=8-3

From what I was reaidng in the manual it says I can replace the front fan with 2 x140 MM, or 2x 120 mm

I can also add 3 fans on the top and bottom, but from what I was reading the bottom won't help much since just PSU. I was thinking of buying more fans, but not sure if I should? will it help? and what size ? Should I try adding fans on the top? Or that won't help much?


I can take pictures tomorrow and post. I am not an expert on cooling, so not really sure.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It is late, disregard my original reply. They say the memory is the first thing to go. I can't remember what the second thing is.

I have it set up with a push pull 12cm AIO as the rear exhaust, and the 14cm as the top exhaust. 20cm front intake, works great in that config. Even when I had a 350w GPU in it. Big, roomy, case, does a great job of cooling.

 

[kongfranon]

What is your case airflow situation like? Can you maybe post a pic? The temps seem fairly extreme to me. Not necessarily imminent death temps, but levels which I would personally never accept in a system filled with expensive parts.

 

[kongfranon]

I should add the hwmonitor picture max values is what I saw after playing Call of Duty for about 15 minutes

 

[Arkaign]

Hmm. As long as that CPU fan is pushing front to back, it seems fine layout wise. Having the single fan in the center is a pain.

If you want to see if airflow will make a good difference for you with additional fans, try leaving the side panel off and pointing a fairly decent desk or floor fan towards the internals to simulate more aggressive overall airflow. I'm thinking the GPU is trapping heat down at the bottom, and the lack of a front fan on the foremost heatsink tower is exacerbating the CPU temp peaks a bit.

 

[kongfranon]

Hmm. As long as that CPU fan is pushing front to back, it seems fine layout wise. Having the single fan in the center is a pain.

If you want to see if airflow will make a good difference for you with additional fans, try leaving the side panel off and pointing a fairly decent desk or floor fan towards the internals to simulate more aggressive overall airflow. I'm thinking the GPU is trapping heat down at the bottom, and the lack of a front fan on the foremost heatsink tower is exacerbating the CPU temp peaks a bit.

what I did was took off the side panel, with PC on, and put my hand carefully in between the rear fan and most left heatsink, and felt hot air moving towards that rear exhaust. I am pretty sure I installed the CPU fan right in the middle, I followed the arrows on the fan.

I then put my hand on the other side between the first heatsink, and front fan intake and felt cooler air going back coming from the front. So I think I have the directions right. Air coming in from front and pushing towards rear. When I am playing Call of duty and put my hand on the outside of the case right next to rear exhaust fan, wow it is definitely hot! LOL


I also thought of maybe removing the cooler, clean thermal paste, and reapply? Maybe I did it wrong? Though not sure I just put a peasize drop of thermal on center of CPU and put cooler on top.

Also was thinking of maybe buying a fan for exhaust up top and adding another noctua fan to the heatsink near the memory, but don't know. You can add a secondary fan, but all the reviews I read said it only dropped it by 1-2 degrees adding that second fan



Maybe later today I will try what you said and put a floor fan directly towards internals to see if makes a difference

 

[blckgrffn]

what I did was took off the side panel, with PC on, and put my hand carefully in between the rear fan and most left heatsink, and felt hot air moving towards that rear exhaust. I am pretty sure I installed the CPU fan right in the middle, I followed the arrows on the fan.

I then put my hand on the other side between the first heatsink, and front fan intake and felt cooler air going back. So I think I have the directions right/ Air coming in from front and pushing towards rear. When I am playing Call of duty and put my hand on the outside of the case right next to rear exhaust fan, wow it is definitely hot! LOL


I also thought of maybe removing the cooler, clean thermal paste, and reapply? Maybe I did it wrong?

Also maybe buying a fan for exhaust up top and adding another noctua fan to the heatsink near the memory, but don't know.



Maybe later today I will try what you said and put a floor fan directly towards internals to see if makes a difference

Buddy of mine had a nice big case like that. Running a 3700x and RX580 and it was all fine. 2 front intakes, one exhaust fan.

Then... we put the EVGA 3080 in and it's dumping like 300W of heat in the case in WarZone. Case gets hot, small office heats up by the end of the session.

My $.02? Go a little nuts on the fans. Max the intake fans. Put some top fans in to exhaust.

Buddy in question went full 14cm Noctuas in all slots given his case could and while his office still heats up, it sounds like the case itself isn't hotboxing.

Games that are really pushing the GPU are going to generate a ton of heat with these new GPUs and the ever growing power envelope.

 

[Arkaign]

Get get that ambient airflow up and see if it makes a difference. If it doesn't, then it's probably just limitations of the die to IHS to HSF connections themselves. But if the temps drop appreciably, then adding more airflow inside the case would help.

I like big fans that spin slowly for the low noise bonus, but I feel at a certain point it seems like the lack of turbulence and air velocity can lead to stagnant heat building up around mosfets, VRM, surface ICs and so on, so if at all possible I like to avoid deadzones for airflow. The way PSUs and GPUs are mounted and designed these days (bulky wide GPU aimed straight at a PSU fan close by), seems like it can generate a kind of internal cauldron near the bottom rear of the case. I miss side vents lol.

 

[solidsnake1298]

IMO, I think your temps are fine. Not optimal, but fine. Since you aren't overclocking, or enabling MCE, and it doesn't appear that you are thermal throttling, you probably won't gain anything from all this effort.

Having said that, I prefer the "spread" method of applying thermal paste to guarantee full IHS coverage. A little too much is better than too little. Any excess will be squeezed out when mounting the heat sink. But if you don't have enough, and it seems that the "small pea" method is not enough, then you won't get full coverage. But the difference will probably amount to a 1-2*C difference (as shown by Gamers Nexus below).

Just something to think about the next time you mount your heat sink.

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